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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2022, 07:14:58 AM »
How? It doesn't do anything to make a powerlifter stronger on his 1 rep max and it doesn't build anymore muscle for a bodybuilder than conventional training. All this does is increase the chance of serious injury.

Please understand I’m not attacking you …

Wrong and wrong.

For the powerlifter, pushed rep/volume sets can very much improve tensile strength in supporting structures, dramatically improve trunk stability and toughen knee mechanics. Also, there is major psychological benefits, as well. And “capacity” betterment will serve its weight in gold come a peaking period.

For a bodybuilder, striving into uncharted time-under-tension/stress in the squat exercise with a heavy (relative) poundage adds MOUNTAINS of lean tissue, everywhere. This concept has been spoken about, by experts, to death, over the decades. And a great many champions will attest to this. Platz among them. For me, my muscular bodyweight has ALWAYS increased as a result of several weeks of concentrated effort to increase accumulated repetitions (well beyond standard 8, 10, 12 tradition) on a singular work set/session. My poundage for this has almost always been 315, 365 and 405.




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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2022, 08:48:39 AM »
Looks a bit like bhanks in the face

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2022, 12:10:48 PM »
Please understand I’m not attacking you …

Wrong and wrong.

For the powerlifter, pushed rep/volume sets can very much improve tensile strength in supporting structures, dramatically improve trunk stability and toughen knee mechanics. Also, there is major psychological benefits, as well. And “capacity” betterment will serve its weight in gold come a peaking period.

For a bodybuilder, striving into uncharted time-under-tension/stress in the squat exercise with a heavy (relative) poundage adds MOUNTAINS of lean tissue, everywhere. This concept has been spoken about, by experts, to death, over the decades. And a great many champions will attest to this. Platz among them. For me, my muscular bodyweight has ALWAYS increased as a result of several weeks of concentrated effort to increase accumulated repetitions (well beyond standard 8, 10, 12 tradition) on a singular work set/session. My poundage for this has almost always been 315, 365 and 405.
I guess it's risk vs reward. The injury potential is very high and can end careers. Fux blew out both legs and Platz his bicep training in these extreme ways.

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2022, 03:41:24 PM »
Platz was such a weirdo, schmoe material posing and bending over for the schmoes to see his hamstrings in great detail


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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2022, 03:50:33 PM »
Platz was such a weirdo, schmoe material posing and bending over for the schmoes to see his hamstrings in great detail

So what was the weird part?

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2022, 03:52:21 PM »
So what was the weird part?

The story about the Tom Platz wig

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2022, 04:02:10 PM »
The story about the Tom Platz wig

Those stories were schomerrific!

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2022, 06:43:03 AM »
I guess it's risk vs reward. The injury potential is very high and can end careers. Fux blew out both legs and Platz his bicep training in these extreme ways.

Fux never earned his strength (like all steroid users), and thus, his injury was entirely predictable. The overwhelming majority of such catastrophic injuries happen to gearheads. The reasons for this are several and very obvious.

Platz is one of my biggest early inspirations, and I love the guy, but, truthfully, a lot of his training tactics are simply stupid.

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2022, 07:17:58 AM »

Platz is one of my biggest early inspirations, and I love the guy, but, truthfully, a lot of his training tactics are simply stupid.

The exercise form is downright immature. A regular guy training like that would be thrown out a gym, or at least used to. I love the mental intensity though. The squat was text book though, beautiful.

Regarding reps, I read one of his training programs. It started at high reps then reduced the reps as the weeks went by and ended with a single. Then he would take a month off and just do high intensity bike rides, "this is when my legs would come out."

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2022, 08:42:56 AM »
(His) exercise form is downright immature … The squat is text book, though. Beautiful.

Agreed.

I’ve worked out with the guy.

Tom’s fundamental squatting technique and execution is awesome.

But on a variety of other exercises? Oftentimes it borders on the absurd. It’s little wonder he tore his biceps.

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2022, 02:31:23 AM »
Fux never earned his strength (like all steroid users), and thus, his injury was entirely predictable. The overwhelming majority of such catastrophic injuries happen to gearheads. The reasons for this are several and very obvious.

Platz is one of my biggest early inspirations, and I love the guy, but, truthfully, a lot of his training tactics are simply stupid.
Almost all extreme lifters get hurt whether they be powerlifters or bodybuilders. How many surgeries did Louie Simmons have?

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2022, 11:51:19 PM »
Sub-200-lb powerlifter John Haack, squatting 507x14:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CekVfXItEs4/

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2022, 08:00:01 AM »
still not 525 for 23 with perfect form. Nobody else has done yet

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2022, 09:03:31 AM »
still not 525 for 23 with perfect form. Nobody else has done yet

According to Onion-Head Kaz, neither has Tom.

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2022, 09:09:13 AM »
still not 525 for 23 with perfect form. Nobody else has done yet

nobody has even approached his leg development either.  Pro bodybuilding peaked decades ago

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2022, 10:04:00 AM »
nobody has even approached his leg development either.  Pro bodybuilding peaked decades ago


The second photo is called “schmoe pose”.

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2022, 10:18:10 AM »
These guys must have horrendous hemorrhoids.

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2022, 11:25:19 AM »
These guys must have horrendous hemorrhoids.

I urge you to watch this video.  ;D


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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2022, 03:24:00 PM »
I've seen Holy muscle Ben Ogboke do 260kg for 12 on the squat

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Re: Joe Sullivan going for Tom Platz record with a 525 squat for 20 reps!
« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2022, 06:31:22 AM »
I've seen Holy muscle Ben Ogboke do 260kg for 12 on the squat

What do you suppose Big Marty Ford does for squats?