Peter McAleese on killing Escobar

[denarii]

New Netflix show. I remember reading his bio in the 90s. Glasgow mean streets, then army, SAS, deployment, kicked out for bar fighting, then merc work in Africa leading to the Escobar job and then retirement as a publican/ bar manager.

https://www.netflix.com/watch/81490215

[youandme]

They really thought that one through, let’s kill a drug kingpin to have new drug wars for territory.

[joswift]

They really thought that one through, let’s kill a drug kingpin to have new drug wars for territory.

a bit like deposing Saddam Hussain.

[youandme]

a bit like deposing Saddam Hussain.

An even better example right there. Sure screwed that one up and lost innocent lives. Saddam killed the terrorist and kept them out of his country.

[Matt]

An even better example right there. Sure screwed that one up and lost innocent lives. Saddam killed the terrorist and kept them out of his country.

That's amazing that you commented on Saddam Hussein here, youandme. I was JUST reading your comment in the Saddam Hussein death thread [posted a day before he died] here:

Right.

It was cool to me to see a board member there who is still here now.

[jude2]

a bit like deposing Saddam Hussain.

Yep.

[tommywishbone]

a bit like deposing Saddam Hussain.

Bingo

Killing Saddam was catastrophic. Worst move ever.

Saddam knew the neighborhood. Saddam handled the neighbors.
America knew NOTHING about the neighborhood.

[youandme]

That's amazing that you commented on Saddam Hussein here, youandme. I was JUST reading your comment in the Saddam Hussein death thread [posted a day before he died] here:

It was cool to me to see a board member there who is still here now.

Yeah been here awhile. Lol.

I remember when that Saddam video surfaced on the internet. That was major gore back then.

A few translators that worked for the US Army would tell me stories about what Iraq was like before the invasion.  Saddam was basically like any other politician just didn’t hide his extravagant ways. He like many other countries such a Turkey hate the Kurds and Saddam did violent things towards them and what we now know of today as radicals.

They kind of compared Kurds to black peoples and gypsies, lol. Pretty hilarious.

[Matt]

Yeah been here awhile. Lol.

I remember when that Saddam video surfaced on the internet. That was major gore back then.

Yep. It's amazing to me how stoic Saddam was, while being led to his death on the gallows.

A few translators that worked for the US Army would tell me stories about what Iraq was like before the invasion.  Saddam was basically like any other politician just didn’t hide his extravagant ways. He like many other countries such a Turkey hate the Kurds and Saddam did violent things towards them and what we now know of today as radicals.

They kind of compared Kurds to black peoples and gypsies, lol. Pretty hilarious.

The video here says that Saddam lived like a flashy drug lord. Go to 7:00 here:

Saddam's palaces [now abandoned] - which he spent $2 billion on:

Also, Saddam and his sons were a fan of the movie Scarface. Saddam even set up a trust fund for his children under the name "Montana Management Company", which was the name of Tony Montana's money laundering front company in the movie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Management

I have found that fascinating ever since I heard it. Especially given that Saddam's life ended the same way that Tony Montana's life did - executed, while being surrounded by enemies:



His son's died literally EXACTLY like Tony Montana did - in a firefight with his enemies, but overwhelmed by their guns.

I've always found the story of Saddam Hussein to be a fascinating one - imagine living your life as a regional alpha alpha male, in full control of $14.7 TRILLION in oil wealth, bringing in $11 billion a year in revenue that he controlled. That's over $30 million in daily oil revenue, which works out to over $1.25 million in HOURLY revenue, which is ~$21,000 per minute, and ~$350 per SECOND.

That Rise and Fall story blows my mind - to go from making over twenty grand a minute, to dying on the gallows. But Saddam was taken down by the strongest military power in the world, so there is no shame in that. No one is untouchable.

But ultimately Saddam died like a common criminal - unable to do anything about it. And that contrast from the level of power he held...that's what boggles my mind.

[Humble Narcissist]

Bingo

Kill Saddam was catastrophic. Worst move ever.

Saddam knew the neighborhood. Saddam handled the neighbors.
America knew NOTHING about the neighborhood.

Staying out of everyone else's business is a good strategy.

[Slapper]

Bingo

Kill Saddam was catastrophic. Worst move ever.

Saddam knew the neighborhood. Saddam handled the neighbors.
America knew NOTHING about the neighborhood.

I don't think we killed Saddam. It was the interim government of Iraq (which we put in place but had plenty of elbow room) who carried out the witch hunt and assigned a Kurd who had been tortured by SH as the judge. We could've stopped it but didn't.

This is another fuck up on the part of the CIA.

[Matt]

I don't think we killed Saddam. It was the interim government of Iraq (which we put in place but had plenty of elbow room) who carried out the witch hunt and assigned a Kurd who had been tortured by SH as the judge. We could've stopped it but didn't.

This is another fuck up on the part of the CIA.

But didn't the people in charge on the American side purposely hand Saddam over to rival faction Iraqis, who were obviously going to execute him?

Saddam used the same logic when explaining to his daughter why their husbands were killed. Saddam turned Hussein Kamel al-Majid and his brother over to a tribe that was bound to execute them...and that is exactly what happened.

When Saddam's daughters cried about it, he explained that it wasn't up to him. 

[youandme]

Yep. It's amazing to me how stoic Saddam was, while being led to his death on the gallows.

The video here says that Saddam lived like a flashy drug lord. Go to 7:00 here:

Saddam's palaces [now abandoned] - which he spent $2 billion on:

Also, Saddam and his sons were a fan of the movie Scarface. Saddam even set up a trust fund for his children under the name "Montana Management Company", which was the name of Tony Montana's money laundering front company in the movie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Management

I have found that fascinating ever since I heard it. Especially given that Saddam's life ended the same way that Tony Montana's life did - executed, while being surrounded by enemies:



His son's died literally EXACTLY like Tony Montana did - in a firefight with his enemies, but overwhelmed by their guns.

I've always found the story of Saddam Hussein to be a fascinating one - imagine living your life as a regional alpha alpha male, in full control of $14.7 TRILLION in oil wealth, bringing in $11 billion a year in revenue that he controlled. That's over $30 million in daily oil revenue, which works out to over $1.25 million in HOURLY revenue, which is ~$21,000 per minute, and ~$350 per SECOND.

That Rise and Fall story blows my mind - to go from making over twenty grand a minute, to dying on the gallows. But Saddam was taken down by the strongest military power in the world, so there is no shame in that. No one is untouchable.

But ultimately Saddam died like a common criminal - unable to do anything about it. And that contrast from the level of power he held...that's what boggles my mind.

Yeah and back then in the 80s and 90s he flaunted the wealth. There was no social media, literally he invited news cameras and photos of the extravagant houses, parties, etc.

But Iraq showed opulence as well for such a small country relying on oil wealth. My friend said they had beautiful universities and college was free. A lot of money was being spent on infrastructure. They were putting and had a system of electrical and other wires underground not via poles. Which made it look much nicer.

Pretty funny how we have the technology to make everything wireless…..for over 100 years….

[joswift]

Saddam went out like a boss

Imagine Blair and Bush facing the same fate....

[OneMoreRep]

I'm not saying Pablo Escobar was a good man or someone worthy of praise and worship, but damn, it must have felt good being him at certain stages of his life. The guy was killed at the age of 44, just 1 day after turning 44 to be exact, so it's not like he lived a full life by sheer numbers, but the amount of lifetimes he probably experienced in just those 4 decades must have been a thing of beauty through his eyes. He saw, experienced and in many respects created the full spectrum of experiences that included love, hate, war, peace, hero-worshipping and villain-chasing that many human beings can likely attest to only having experienced 2-3 of.

In many respects, he was both a domestic and international terrorist. To those that suffered by way of his acts, I don't blame them for hating him and his era. But for others, like myself in the USA watching from a safe and comfortable distance during the 80's as he rose to power, it was literally a movie involving a rock star in the world of bad guys.

Interesting fact most don't know: Pablo Escobar was only 5'6. Not the imposing figure he is sometimes portrayed to be. He would have looked like a key chain doll next to Vince Goodrum.

"1"

[Griffith]

But didn't the people in charge on the American side purposely hand Saddam over to rival faction Iraqis, who were obviously going to execute him?

Saddam used the same logic when explaining to his daughter why their husbands were killed. Saddam turned Hussein Kamel al-Majid and his brother over to a tribe that was bound to execute them...and that is exactly what happened.

When Saddam's daughters cried about it, he explained that it wasn't up to him. 

Correct.

[Griffith]

Americans destablised the entire Middle East.

[joswift]

Interesting fact most don't know: Pablo Escobar was only 5'6. Not the imposing figure he is sometimes portrayed to be. He would have looked like a key chain doll next to bhanks

"1"

[joswift]

Americans destablised the entire Middle East.

so they can have a fictional war on terror that never ends

[illuminati]

Saddam went out like a boss

Imagine Blair and Bush facing the same fate....

If Only - Add Boris & pant Shitter Biden + Trudie in Canada + Maricon in france + Merkel + Schwab + Fauci + Gates + Soros Just a few to Start the Clean out. 

[youandme]

Correct.

With an Iraqi government that we set up.

Americans destablised the entire Middle East.

No denying that.  Turkey, Dubai, Lebanon, Israel, Cypress only countries to not see disastrous consequences. Still dealing with refugees and security issues from all of it.

[Humble Narcissist]

so they can have a fictional war on terror that never ends

Terrorism went away with Covid, Ukraine and monkeypox.

[joswift]

Terrorism went away with Covid, Ukraine and monkeypox.

just to the back of the drawer, ready to be taken out again when required....

By the way, there are no real threats, they are all fictional

[Humble Narcissist]

just to the back of the drawer, ready to be taken out again when required....

By the way, there are no real threats, they are all fictional

Gotta keep the populace on edge at all times.

[illuminati]

just to the back of the drawer, ready to be taken out again when required....

By the way, there are no real threats, they are all fictional

Yes Exactly Right. Odd how all the Suicide Bombers went quiet when China Virus was
Rampant - Maybe They Scared of getting The Virus & Dying 

And The Sheep like Still won't wake up & Believe All The MSM & Government
Tell Them - FFS.