Conor McGregor Steroid Accusation [32-lb LBM Gain].

[Matt]

What does Getbig think of this [video by More Plates More Dates]?:

Phantom Spunker, if you see this: do you think Conor is juicing, currently?

I think that on some level, it is weighing on Conor that he has only had one UFC win in the past five years. So it seems like he is sort of presenting himself as a bit of a bodybuilder because the general public tends to think that muscular men / bodybuilders are the toughest fighters.

That's just sort of normie thinking with respect to toughness. I'm not so sure that the average person knows the difference between a bodybuilder and a fighter, and I suspect that a lot of people think the bodybuilder would win in a fight. That speaks to people's lack of understanding of either fighting or bodybuilding, really.

But McGregor is a valuable asset to the UFC, and to Ireland, and I would think if there is any pressure to give someone the pass on juice, it would be for McGregor.

Is GH detectable on standard PED tests? I remember someone on here once said that NFL players take GH because it is hard to detect.

One thing is for certain, the quality of the UFC has gone down a lot since around 2015, when USADA testing was imposed. Although I have a hard time believing that a jacked beast like Francis Ngannou is in any way clean [even though he is a genetic freak...but who knows?].

[joswift]

chances are he is taking something but the guy has been dieting most of his career to make weight

Remember James Toney?
Guy used to literally eat nothing to make 160 to fight, he was 200lbs in high school,

[pamith]

My nikka

[Matt]

chances are he is taking something but the guy has been dieting most of his career to make weight

Remember James Toney?
Guy used to literally eat nothing to make 160 to fight, he was 200lbs in high school,

I remember James Toney - I remember how everyone was impressed that Randy Couture "out-boxed the boxer", but I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison to compare a boxer boxing in an MMA fight to a boxer boxing in boxing match.

Ditto for wrestling - Georges St-Pierre was offered the chance to be wrestle in the Olympics for Canada...but people seem to confuse success in wrestling in MMA, to success in wrestling in a straight wrestling match. It's one thing to shoot for a takedown when someone is off-balance from throwing a punch, versus shooting for a takedown in a strict wrestling match.

Back to James Toney - he competed at 160-lb?! Whoa! I had no idea he was even capable of cutting down that much, lol. No doubt he had to starve himself to get to that weight, haha. That doesn't surprise me - it just surprised me that he ever competed at 160 at all...

As for Conor - I would think in a sport where supposedly 40-60% [or more?] of all fighters use, that Conor would be using too.

Conor has had a few things save him so far:

2017: lost in a boxing match against arguably the best defensive boxer of all time - but outperformed expectations by doing so.
2018: lost to Khabib Nurmagomedov, but Khabib's post-fight behaviour overshadowed Conor's loss, lol.
2020: beats a fighter with an incredible record, but who was arguably on the wane.
2021: loses to a fighter he previous beat in under two minutes, leaving the door open for a trilogy.
2021: loses the trilogy, but sustained a foot break, which he could use as an excuse for the "doctor stoppage" loss.

^ In other words, Conor has found a way to still be an A-List UFC asset, while only winning one UFC fight since Obama was president.

But if he comes back and loses again...then what?

I think Conor understands that his brand is one inexcusable loss away from disintegrating for good...and IMO, that is why he is branding himself as a bodybuilder - as the general public will think he is a capable fighter if he's that big and lean.

Just my suspicion. But maybe there is another reason he is bulking up.

[Rascal full]

Mac on HGH and probably other shit. He makes me laugh the way he struts around like he is massive, tiny body squeezed into size small t shirts, wide load coming through.

[Phantom Spunker]

Matt,

Yes, I'm fairly sure he's on some type of designer steroid, and I'd assume HGH as well, given that he's healing from a fracture. I don't really know much about roids, other than from being around friends who did them and from reading forums, but I am around his size and boxed in a few weight divisions, so that's what I'm basing my opinion on.

I would say I have good genetics, and I used to really smash the weights hard. There's no way I'm getting up to 190 lbs and still being in any sort of condition to fight. Absolutely impossible without drugs, in my opinion. I went two weight divisions higher than my fighting weight in the amateurs before, but even with stuffing my face, I gave away a lot of weight and speed. I did it because I couldn't get fights easily and I knew I'd bang the other guy out if I connected.

What guys like Pacquiao and Canelo et al have done is, again, I would say impossible to do without drugs. A fit, in-shape fighter can't just climb up weight divisions like that, keep both speed AND power, and still stay lean. I think drugs are simply a huge, unspoken fact of most professional sports - especially combat sports.

Connor, from the little that I've read, is up to around 190 lbs but still pretty lean and able to compete at a high level. It's not that he looks like some musclebound juicer (although the traps and shoulders are suspicious); it's that he's climbed up to that weight quickly and maintained his athleticism. He will be chasing a big-money fight with Usman because he doubts Usman's ability to KO him and he thinks he has a chance of winning that title.

[joswift]

I remember James Toney - I remember how everyone was impressed that Randy Couture "out-boxed the boxer", but I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison to compare a boxer boxing in an MMA fight to a boxer boxing in boxing match.

Ditto for wrestling - Georges St-Pierre was offered the chance to be wrestle in the Olympics for Canada...but people seem to confuse success in wrestling in MMA, to success in wrestling in a straight wrestling match. It's one thing to shoot for a takedown when someone is off-balance from throwing a punch, versus shooting for a takedown in a strict wrestling match.

Back to James Toney - he competed at 160-lb?! Whoa! I had no idea he was even capable of cutting down that much, lol. No doubt he had to starve himself to get to that weight, haha. That doesn't surprise me - it just surprised me that he ever competed at 160 at all...

As for Conor - I would think in a sport where supposedly 40-60% [or more?] of all fighters use, that Conor would be using too.

Conor has had a few things save him so far:

2017: lost in a boxing match against arguably the best defensive boxer of all time - but outperformed expectations by doing so.
2018: lost to Khabib Nurmagomedov, but Khabib's post-fight behaviour overshadowed Conor's loss, lol.
2020: beats a fighter with an incredible record, but who was arguably on the wane.
2021: loses to a fighter he previous beat in under two minutes, leaving the door open for a trilogy.
2021: loses the trilogy, but sustained a foot break, which he could use as an excuse for the "doctor stoppage" loss.

^ In other words, Conor has found a way to still be an A-List UFC asset, while only winning one UFC fight since Obama was president.

But if he comes back and loses again...then what?

I think Conor understands that his brand is one inexcusable loss away from disintegrating for good...and IMO, that is why he is branding himself as a bodybuilder - as the general public will think he is a capable fighter if he's that big and lean.

Just my suspicion. But maybe there is another reason he is bulking up.

I have no idea why you left him in the first place

[Matt]

Mac on HGH and probably other shit. He makes me laugh the way he struts around like he is massive, tiny body squeezed into size small t shirts, wide load coming through.

McGregor does need to be reminded he's 5'9". 

There are some very good small men / smaller men. But in general, a good big man will beat a good small man. Obviously there are exceptions, and [IMO], body weight advantages sort of max out in fighting at around, what, 225-lb, give or take? Think: Mike Tyson. Think: Jon Jones.

But for Conor to act like he's untouchable - and to have even said that before - is just strange to me when, most likely, just about every fighter who is 185-lb [middleweight] or above would beat him - it just makes me wonder: does Conor not think that size matters?

We glorify lightweight fighters, but I don't think casual fans appreciate why weight classes exist.

A prime Conor was excellent - but I can't imagine him beating any UFC heavyweight. Maybe I'm wrong about that though.

I don't mean to speak negatively about Conor - but you are bang on about that strut he has, lol.

[20inch calves]

No exotic compounds. Simple testosterone micro dosed though out the day will get u these results. It's dumb to take equipoise, winstrol, , when you have no idea when you will be tested..Vitor Belfort went from 12 nanogram s per liter to 5 the next day. This tells me he was micro dosing a fast acting test

[Rascal full]

McGregor does need to be reminded he's 5'9" from time to time.

My view is this:

There are some very good small men / smaller men. But in general, a good big man will beat a good small man. Obviously there are exceptions, and [IMO], body weight advantages sort of max out in fighting at around, what, 225-lb, give or take? Think: Mike Tyson. Think: Jon Jones.

But for Conor to act like he's untouchable - and to have even said that before - is just strange to me when, most likely, just about every fighter who is 185-lb [middleweight] or above would beat him - it just makes me wonder: does Conor not think that size matters?

We glorify lightweight fighters, but I don't think casual fans appreciate why weight classes exist.

A prime Conor was excellent - but I can't imagine him beating any UFC heavyweight. Maybe I'm wrong about that though.

I don't mean to speak negatively about Conor - but you are bang on about that strut he has, lol.

Excellent points Matt. Mcgregor has had most of his success sucking down to crackhead size and ragdoling the dwarves at 140 pounds.

[Matt]

Matt,

Yes, I'm fairly sure he's on some type of designer steroid, and I'd assume HGH as well, given that he's healing from a fracture. I don't really know much about roids, other than from being around friends who did them and from reading forums, but I am around his size and boxed in a few weight divisions, so that's what I'm basing my opinion on.

I would say I have good genetics, and I used to really smash the weights hard. There's no way I'm getting up to 190 lbs and still being in any sort of condition to fight. Absolutely impossible without drugs, in my opinion. I went two weight divisions higher than my fighting weight in the amateurs before, but even with stuffing my face, I gave away a lot of weight and speed. I did it because I couldn't get fights easily and I knew I'd bang the other guy out if I connected.

What guys like Pacquiao and Canelo et al have done is, again, I would say impossible to do without drugs. A fit, in-shape fighter can't just climb up weight divisions like that, keep both speed AND power, and still stay lean. I think drugs are simply a huge, unspoken fact of most professional sports - especially combat sports.

Connor, from the little that I've read, is up to around 190 lbs but still pretty lean and able to compete at a high level. It's not that he looks like some musclebound juicer (although the traps and shoulders are suspicious); it's that he's climbed up to that weight quickly and maintained his athleticism. He will be chasing a big-money fight with Usman because he doubts Usman's ability to KO him and he thinks he has a chance of winning that title.

That's a bombshell right there [for me]. I always basically suspected that steroids are in all sports, and especially in fighting - but we just had a full major sports league [the NFL] pretend that concussions weren't a problem for basically the past 35+ years...so it stands to reason that many sports and sports leagues basically operate in denial...

A friend of mine told me that on the Sherdog MMA forum, you aren't even allowed to question if Georges St-Pierre used juice. Here's a guy who looked like a Men's Physique competitor in a hugely juiced division in a hugely juiced sport, way before the strict testing era started...but GSP was natural, apparently.

I think people think "But he's only 170", not grasping that he's fighting at closed to 185, and was lean enough to have all abs showing. I have an idea of what I would need to use to look like that - I don't think I'd need a ton of juice to hit that weight with that body composition...but I can't fathom hitting it naturally.

Regarding Kamaru Usman versus McGregor:

Usman has proven himself in the octagon at this point - some argue that he's the best welterweight of all time. I think his beating Colby Covington the first time was impressive - but Usman really sealed the deal beating him a second time, IMO.

I can't fathom anyone under too many guys under 205-lb can beat Usman?  I mean, his fellow Nigerian Israel Adesanya, yes. No doubt a good argument could be made for some other middleweights beating him - but McGregor? 

I'd just have to think McGregor gives up too much size to win that fight - and arguably, McGregor's gas tank is not great.

I guess there's a small chance McGregor could beat Usman in the first round - but I don't see how McGregor could win it if that fight goes to round two.

I do hope McGregor wins his next fight though - he has brought a lot of fans to the UFC.

Just wondering, but what did you mean here, Phantom?:

I went two weight divisions higher than my fighting weight in the amateurs before, but even with stuffing my face, I gave away a lot of weight and speed. I did it because I couldn't get fights easily and I knew I'd bang the other guy out if I connected.

Do you mean - there were more fights open to you in a heavier weight class? And you still had the ability to score a knockout?

Did that strategy work for you?

I competed once in an open weight Strongman contest two levels below nationals [basically - one level below provincials].

I came last. 

But it was cool to throw my hat into a competition that was out of my league.

Did competing under-weight work out for you?

And out of curiosity, if you made up for some of the weight with just fat, would that have helped at all? Because, funnily enough, I find that even adding some fat helps with strength. I have no idea about fighting - although I'm always intrigued seeing fighters with Dad Bods winning fights.

[Matt]

I have no idea why you left him in the first place

 

I just can't believe this guy ever fought at 160-lb, lol. I was just about to check Wikipedia to verify, but realized you aren't one to post incorrect information.

[Matt]

Excellent points Matt. Mcgregor has had most of his success sucking down to crackhead size and ragdoling the dwarves at 140 pounds.

YES! HAHAHAHA. 🤣😂

Not that McGregor is by any means the only one who does that - Khabib Nurmagomedov was notorious for his extreme weight cuts. It makes me all the more impressed with GSP, for competing at 170, while weighing around 183-188, and fighting guys who were up to 200-lb.

BJ Penn was always incredible for competing at his walk-around weight of 167. GSP probably had 20-lb on him both times they fought.

How much does weight matter in fighting? I'm assuming skill and strength come in at #1 and #2, but weight clearly matters. I feel like I can go through the motions in the gym at 200 to lift what I do at 170, while working for every pound on my lifts. It's just no problem at 200. But lifting weights is not fighting.

I love how Nate Diaz said McGregor has it all figured out when he's fighting midgets. 

McGregor even called Chad Mendes, Chad "Mini" Mendes, and called Dustin Poirier a little pea head before their first fight.

I don't think Conor realizes that he's making his achievements look less than spectacular when he says things like that.

And then there was Marcus Brimage - Conor's first UFC opponent. He looks like something out of a Mortal Kombat video game. 

[Matt]

 

[Rascal full]

YES! HAHAHAHA. 🤣😂

Not that McGregor is by any means the only one who does that - Khabib Nurmagomedov was notorious for his extreme weight cuts. It makes me all the more impressed with GSP, for competing at 170, while weighing around 183-188, and fighting guys who were up to 200-lb.

BJ Penn was always incredible for competing at his walk-around weight of 167. GSP probably had 20-lb on him both times they fought.

How much does weight matter in fighting? I'm assuming skill and strength come in at #1 and #2, but weight clearly matters. I feel like I can go through the motions in the gym at 200 to lift what I do at 170, while working for every pound on my lifts. It's just no problem at 200. But lifting weights is not fighting.

I love how Nate Diaz said McGregor has it all figured out when he's fighting midgets. 

McGregor even called Chad Mendes, Chad "Mini" Mendes, and called Dustin Poirier a little pea head before their first fight.

I don't think Conor realizes that he's making his achievements look less than spectacular when he says things like that.

And then there was Marcus Brimage - Conor's first UFC opponent. He looks like something out of a Mortal Kombat video game. 

Haha those vids are quality! Glad Diaz gave Conor shit for fighting midgets. Mcgregor should have stayed in that division, or highest 155. At 170 he lost his aura of invincibility and should go back to crushing dwarves.

[Phantom Spunker]

That's a bombshell right there [for me]. I always basically suspected that steroids are in all sports, and especially in fighting - but we just had a full major sports league [the NFL] pretend that concussions weren't a problem for basically the past 35+ years...so it stands to reason that many sports and sports leagues basically operate in denial...

A friend of mine told me that on the Sherdog MMA forum, you aren't even allowed to question if Georges St-Pierre used juice. Here's a guy who looked like a Men's Physique competitor in a hugely juiced division in a hugely juiced sport, way before the strict testing era started...but GSP was natural, apparently.

I think people think "But he's only 170", not grasping that he's fighting at closed to 185, and was lean enough to have all abs showing. I have an idea of what I would need to use to look like that - I don't think I'd need a ton of juice to hit that weight with that body composition...but I can't fathom hitting it naturally.

Regarding Kamaru Usman versus McGregor:

Usman has proven himself in the octagon at this point - some argue that he's the best welterweight of all time. I think his beating Colby Covington the first time was impressive - but Usman really sealed the deal beating him a second time, IMO.

I can't fathom anyone under too many guys under 205-lb can beat Usman?  I mean, his fellow Nigerian Israel Adesanya, yes. No doubt a good argument could be made for some other middleweights beating him - but McGregor? 

I'd just have to think McGregor gives up too much size to win that fight - and arguably, McGregor's gas tank is not great.

I guess there's a small chance McGregor could beat Usman in the first round - but I don't see how McGregor could win it if that fight goes to round two.

I do hope McGregor wins his next fight though - he has brought a lot of fans to the UFC.

Just wondering, but what did you mean here, Phantom?:

Do you mean - there were more fights open to you in a heavier weight class? And you still had the ability to score a knockout?

Did that strategy work for you?

I competed once in an open weight Strongman contest two levels below nationals [basically - one level below provincials].

I came last. 

But it was cool to throw my hat into a competition that was out of my league.

Did competing under-weight work out for you?

And out of curiosity, if you made up for some of the weight with just fat, would that have helped at all? Because, funnily enough, I find that even adding some fat helps with strength. I have no idea about fighting - although I'm always intrigued seeing fighters with Dad Bods winning fights.

Yeah, I think Usman kills him, but it's a good strategy for a guy like McGregor as he knows he's not got long left. The guys at the lighter weights are just too dangerous for him now. Usman is obviously dangerous as hell, but I think the potential reward is greater for Connor. He can bulk up and have a puncher's chance, and he can try to make history by winning that belt. It would be a huge fight, so the money is there, too.

Regarding me occasionally fighting in a higher weight class, it's just the nature of amateur boxing to be a lot more nonchalant about a few lbs. The way it worked a lot of the time when I did it was your club would turn up at an amateur event with another club, and they'd have a look around and see if there's guys with similar levels of experience they could match you with. I was in a competitive weight class but, and I probably sound like I'm boasting but I'm just stating a fact, most of my fights ended in stoppages and KOs. I remember one old boy looking at my card and laughing. He said 'something tells me you're not getting a fucking fight here'.

When I was on a team, occasionally some ex-world champ would have a charity event organised and my coach would ask if I fancied moving up a weight to fight on it. Those events were always cool, so I'd do it.

I did the whole starving myself to look like a heroin addict thing, too. It's just completely unsustainable, though. Sparring the naturally smaller guys felt totally different. I could just walk through them. It totally fucked up my body, though.

[Phantom Spunker]

Regarding just putting on more mass and fat - it wouldn't have worked at all for me. When I stopped boxing and just smashed weights all the time, I would hit the bag and be gassed in half the time trying to keep the same pace I was used to. I was slower, too.

I could spar and beat the dog shit out of novice heavyweights, but part of the reason for that was because they couldn't connect with me back. Weight doesn't matter much in street fights or at novice level (sparring), in my opinion. But in sports, where everyone is at a high level, it is extremely important. If I tried to spar an actual heavyweight boxer who knew what he was doing, I'd be fucked.

[dknole]

No exotic compounds. Simple testosterone micro dosed though out the day will get u these results. It's dumb to take equipoise, winstrol, , when you have no idea when you will be tested..Vitor Belfort went from 12 nanogram s per liter to 5 the next day. This tells me he was micro dosing a fast acting test

why does it not also tell you that the analytical lab precision may not be 100%, or that its precision, accuracy and reproducibility are off? Have them run triplicate samples, not single analytic samples to see how variable the HPLC or whatever they are using is

[20inch calves]

why does it not also tell you that the analytical lab precision may not be 100%, or that its precision, accuracy and reproducibility are off? Have them run triplicate samples, not single analytic samples to see how variable the HPLC or whatever they are using is

Because they want to know but don't want to know

[joswift]

I just can't believe this guy ever fought at 160-lb, lol. I was just about to check Wikipedia to verify, but realized you aren't one to post incorrect information.

good video

[beakdoctor]

What guys like Pacquiao and Canelo et al have done is, again, I would say impossible to do without drugs. A fit, in-shape fighter can't just climb up weight divisions like that, keep both speed AND power, and still stay lean. I think drugs are simply a huge, unspoken fact of most professional sports - especially combat sports.

Absolutely.  I think of Juan Manuel Marquez as a 122lb 127lb fighter. He had a typical mexican boxers build. In shape but not a lot of muscle tone and a relatively soft midsection.  I say relatively because he was a good conditioned championship level fighter....but as he moved up to 130, 135, 140 and finally 147 by tge age of 40 no less he developed a rock hard physique gaining muscle and losing fat while keeping speed and adding strength.

You look back at boxing prior to the PED era and that was totally unheard of. Even guys like Roberto Duran and JC Chavez who continued to win as they moved up i. Weight were only able to do so because of their skills and experience. They didn't move up and become physically superior. You could see that as they gained weight and aged they struggled more and more and certainly didn't increase their muscularity, speed or power. They continued to win due to skill but even then only to a  diminished degree.

[Humble Narcissist]

Absolutely.  I think of Juan Manuel Marquez as a 122lb 127lb fighter. He had a typical mexican boxers build. In shape but not a lot of muscle tone and a relatively soft midsection.  I say relatively because he was a good conditioned championship level fighter....but as he moved up to 130, 135, 140 and finally 147 by tge age of 40 no less he developed a rock hard physique gaining muscle and losing fat while keeping speed and adding strength.

You look back at boxing prior to the PED era and that was totally unheard of. Even guys like Roberto Duran and JC Chavez who continued to win as they moved up i. Weight were only able to do so because of their skills and experience. They didn't move up and become physically superior. You could see that as they gained weight and aged they struggled more and more and certainly didn't increase their muscularity, speed or power. They continued to win due to skill but even then only to a  diminished degree.

You hardly ever saw a muscular boxer before the 90's unless they were really young. Now many look like bodybuilders.

[Phantom Spunker]

Absolutely.  I think of Juan Manuel Marquez as a 122lb 127lb fighter. He had a typical mexican boxers build. In shape but not a lot of muscle tone and a relatively soft midsection.  I say relatively because he was a good conditioned championship level fighter....but as he moved up to 130, 135, 140 and finally 147 by tge age of 40 no less he developed a rock hard physique gaining muscle and losing fat while keeping speed and adding strength.

You look back at boxing prior to the PED era and that was totally unheard of. Even guys like Roberto Duran and JC Chavez who continued to win as they moved up i. Weight were only able to do so because of their skills and experience. They didn't move up and become physically superior. You could see that as they gained weight and aged they struggled more and more and certainly didn't increase their muscularity, speed or power. They continued to win due to skill but even then only to a  diminished degree.

Good examples - totally agree. The last Marquez vs Pacquiao fight was, I must admit, quite funny. I loved seeing Pacquiao get a taste of his own medicine after Marquez teamed up with one of the most infamous steroid suppliers around. Freddy Roach calling Marquez a cheater was funny, too. I assume the majority of these top-level guys are on something these days. Chemists just create new compounds that aren't even detectable yet.

Shit-quality clip but it elaborates a little on what we are saying:

[balzac]

[MAXX]

Pretty much impossible to compete at the world elite level in any sport strength or speed related without PED's Ofcourse. Nate Diaz is right. The ones that wins are the ones that beats the test.