Dorian Discusses Arnold And The 1980 Olympia

[Palumboism]

Dorian doesn't agree with Getbig or Bob Chick on who should have won the 1980 Olympia. 

[Dave D]

Dorian must not have heard there was no controversy, CBS ran out of tape and couldn't air the show.

Plus Dorain hates Arnold for saying he was taking bb in the wrong direction.

[pamith]

Lmfao!

[Royalty]

Getbig has no love for Arnold

[kevin25]

Dorian is one of very few males in the world that would make Arnold feel like a beta male. He knows it and thats why he avoids him.

[MAXX]

He's right about everything. Arnold was extremly ego driven and did anything to gain popularity and power. We saw in politics he didn't really have an ideological framework he basically did what he thought would gain him popularity among people. Same through all his life. Heck he even married a presidents relative just to get on his path to become "a great powerful leader" as he said he admired in Pumping Iron.

[obsidian]

He's right about everything. Arnold was extremly ego driven and did anything to gain popularity and power. We saw in politics he didn't really have an ideological framework he basically did what he thought would gain him popularity among people. Same through all his life. Heck he even married a presidents relative just to get on his path to become "a great powerful leader" as he said he admired in Pumping Iron.

Except the part where he said everyone agrees Arnold should not have won the 1980 Mr. Olympia. Photos show that he was still the best onstage, even at the lighter weight.

Look at Arnold's pecs compared to Mentzer. Arnold beat Mentzer fair and square in 1980. I don't like Arnold anymore as he has exposed himself as a RINO. But he deserved the 1980 win.

[obsidian]

Mentzer looks small here compared to Arnold. Look at the arm size difference!

[hardgainerj]

He's right about everything. Arnold was extremly ego driven and did anything to gain popularity and power. We saw in politics he didn't really have an ideological framework he basically did what he thought would gain him popularity among people. Same through all his life. Heck he even married a presidents relative just to get on his path to become "a great powerful leader" as he said he admired in Pumping Iron.

he's wrong about the rivalry. Mentzer couldn't hold arnolds posing trunks

[_bruce_]

Arnold is a clever rat while Dorian is intelligent and straight forward.

[beakdoctor]

I appreciate the way Dorian conducts himself. Very honest, straight forward but not given to exaggeration  or gossip.

Even here its obvious he doesn't care for Arnold but doesn't resort to insults.

 Its funny in a way that all those years later Mentzer was still paranoid about Arnold.

Oddly I always felt that Arnold more closely resembled Rand's ideal man than Mentzer. Objectivism was her philosophy but rational self interest was a part of that. In Atlas Shrugged one of tge main quotes that illustrates her philosophy was "I will never live for the sake of another man, or ask another man to live for the sake of me."

For Mike it was deeply important to him that other people believed in HIT it was deeply important that other people think he should've won the 80 olympia. Other people's thoughts and opinions were too important to Mike.. Unlike Howard Roark in the fountainhead who continued to create his ideal of architecture despite what the critics thought. Mike melted down when criticized , placed poorly. It was important to prove his point. And when he couldn't he had a mental breakdown.

While Arnold had always lived for the sake of himself. Always goal oriented to his own success and it served him well. Arnold was always too much of a politician to be considered an obectivist but achievement for his own sake and ego were Arnolds strengths and were concepts at the core of many of Rands teachings.

[joswift]

I appreciate the way Dorian conducts himself. Very honest, straight forward but not given to exaggeration  or gossip.

Even here its obvious he doesn't care for Arnold but doesn't resort to insults.

 Its funny in a way that all those years later Mentzer was still paranoid about Arnold.

Oddly I always felt that Arnold more closely resembled Rand's ideal man than Mentzer. Objectivism was her philosophy but rational self interest was a part of that. In Atlas Shrugged one of tge main quotes that illustrates her philosophy was "I will never live for the sake of another man, or ask another man to live for the sake of me."

For Mike it was deeply important to him that other people believed in HIT it was deeply important that other people think he should've won the 80 olympia. Other people's thoughts and opinions were too important to Mike.. Unlike Howard Roark in the fountainhead who continued to create his ideal of architecture despite what the critics thought. Mike melted down when criticized , placed poorly. It was important to prove his point. And when he couldn't he had a mental breakdown.

While Arnold had always lived for the sake of himself. Always goal oriented to his own success and it served him well. Arnold was always too much of a politician to be considered an obectivist but achievement for his own sake and ego were Arnolds strengths and were concepts at the core of many of Rands teachings.

Succinctly put.

[BlackMetallic]

I appreciate the way Dorian conducts himself. Very honest, straight forward but not given to exaggeration  or gossip.

Even here its obvious he doesn't care for Arnold but doesn't resort to insults.

 Its funny in a way that all those years later Mentzer was still paranoid about Arnold.

Oddly I always felt that Arnold more closely resembled Rand's ideal man than Mentzer. Objectivism was her philosophy but rational self interest was a part of that. In Atlas Shrugged one of tge main quotes that illustrates her philosophy was "I will never live for the sake of another man, or ask another man to live for the sake of me."

For Mike it was deeply important to him that other people believed in HIT it was deeply important that other people think he should've won the 80 olympia. Other people's thoughts and opinions were too important to Mike.. Unlike Howard Roark in the fountainhead who continued to create his ideal of architecture despite what the critics thought. Mike melted down when criticized , placed poorly. It was important to prove his point. And when he couldn't he had a mental breakdown.

While Arnold had always lived for the sake of himself. Always goal oriented to his own success and it served him well. Arnold was always too much of a politician to be considered an obectivist but achievement for his own sake and ego were Arnolds strengths and were concepts at the core of many of Rands teachings.

You do know that Arnold started it right?

[kevin25]

He used to refer to Dorian as "This british guy"   

[beakdoctor]

You do know that Arnold started it right?

Started what?

Btw Im not defending Arnold. I. Saying that ego was important in Rands philosophy.  One shouldn't apologize for their ego and to be driven by it is a good thing according to Rand. Mentzer was a huge Rand fan but this aspect of her philosophy was lost on him.

Arnold is criticized for his selfishness. By Mentzer no less yet its closer to Rands ideal of what a man should be.

I just always found that to be peculiar.

[youandme]

Mentzer looks small here compared to Arnold. Look at the arm size difference!

Yeah he clearly wins in that shot as well.

[Rambone]

Mentzer looked great in solo shots and disappeared in lineups. Brutal and true!

[NarcissisticDeity]

The whole controversy started when Arnold was being interviewed for Flex Magazine and he was commenting on ' modern ' bodybuilding , the style in which the guys dressed , gym clothes , and how the currently Mr Olympia competed only once a year and headed back to England and he never really promoted bodybuilding like he did , he didn't mention Dorian by name which was the rub.


Dorian was right in the sense Arnold wasn't really up on the sport , he flew in once a year to the Arnold Classic and then went back to his mansion. Someone said this years ago Arnold might've been pissed to because Dorian never competed in the Arnold Classic , in which he deemed a lesser contest , his focus was always on the Olympia which is why he never went to the WBF despite McMahon offering his well into the 6 figures.

As far as 1980 is concerned I think it may have been close but I don't see Mentzer winning at all , you can make a case for Arnold losing but Mike wasn't close, Reminds me of what Shawn Perine said on the subject 1980 was no where near as controversial as 1981. Was Arnold as good as he was in 73/74? No but he wasn't competing with that Arnold , I think he was good enough to win and if not to beat Mike

[balzac]

Dorian is one of very few males in the world that would make Arnold feel like a beta male. He knows it and thats why he avoids him.

lol...

[_bruce_]

lol...

A'nold has always been the ultimate sellout with his artificially created persona. He's the founding father of the Austrian World Summit which is another globalist outlet.

[wes]

 

[Rambone]

lol...

Watching Greta with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The terminator, would never stop. It would never leave her, and it would never hurt her, never shout at her, or get drunk and hit her, or say it was too busy to spend time with her. It would always be there. And it would die, to protect her. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.

[Van_Bilderass]

I thought everyone looked paticularly bad, smaller and smooth. Menzer wasn't a "clear" nothing.

[beakdoctor]

Watching Greta with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The terminator, would never stop. It would never leave her, and it would never hurt her, never shout at her, or get drunk and hit her, or say it was too busy to spend time with her. It would always be there. And it would die, to protect her. Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.

Lol. Good one 👍

[Vince B]

I thought everyone looked paticularly bad, smaller and smooth. Menzer wasn't a "clear" nothing.

Clearly you weren’t there nor do you know what you are talking about.