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Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« on: June 17, 2022, 01:57:33 PM »
https://www.rt.com/russia/557346-putin-spief-speech-takeaways/

‘Elite change’ awaits the West

Policies undertaken by EU and US leaders are exacerbating inequalities and divisions in their societies, not just in terms of welfare but in terms of values and orientations of various groups, Putin said.

“Such a detachment from reality, from the demands of society, will inevitably lead to a surge of populism and the growth of radical movements, to serious social and economic changes, to degradation and, in the near future, to a change of elites,” the Russian leader said.

If there’s a famine, it won’t be Russia’s fault

US and EU sanctions against Russia – in particular fertilizer and grain exports – are one of the reasons for growing global food insecurity, Putin pointed out. If there is famine in the world’s poorest countries, “this will be entirely on the conscience of the US administration and the European bureaucracy."

Troubles with food supply have arisen over the past several years – not months – due to the “short-sighted actions of those who are accustomed to solving their problems at someone else's expense,” distorting the trade flows by printing money in a sort of “predatory colonial policy,” Putin said.

Russia is ready to send food to Africa and the Middle East, where the threat of famine is most acute, but faces “logistical, financial, transport” obstacles imposed by the West, he said.

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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2022, 02:41:52 PM »
It reminds me of when Marie Antoinette said "If the peasants run out of bread...let them eat cake."

Too out of touch with reality to apparently grasp that when the peasants ran out of bread, they had no access to cake.  ::)

Then the peasants killed her.  ;D

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2022, 02:56:02 PM »
There's plenty of bread to eat in the USA.

Employers are begging for workers too.

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2022, 10:21:57 PM »
Putin has no shame. Whatever he says, the opposite is true.

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2022, 11:13:32 PM »
There's plenty of bread to eat in the USA.

Employers are begging for workers too.

And as long as people are well-fed, I don't see any revolts taking place.

Regarding employers begging for workers - that is correct. But one thing about that is that illegal immigrants and temporary foreign workers are continually imported to keep wages down. That has some impact on American citizens not wanting to work for those wages.

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2022, 12:18:50 AM »
#TEAMVLAD

To hell with the Ukraine Nazi's!!  ::)

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2022, 01:55:51 AM »
#TEAMVLAD

To hell with the Ukraine Nazi's!!  ::)


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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2022, 04:41:08 AM »
Putin has no shame. Whatever he says, the opposite is true.

I bet that you let illegal immigrants live with you, and drive your car wherever they like

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2022, 06:16:51 AM »
Putin has no shame. Whatever he says, the opposite is true.

unlike all other politicians and leaders who always tell the truth...

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2022, 07:20:38 AM »
Putin has said a lot of things on various issues that would be impossible to even fathom in the west.
He's also bound by globalism but seems to have another fraction's support.
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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2022, 07:34:39 AM »
https://www.rt.com/russia/557346-putin-spief-speech-takeaways/

‘Elite change’ awaits the West

Policies undertaken by EU and US leaders are exacerbating inequalities and divisions in their societies, not just in terms of welfare but in terms of values and orientations of various groups, Putin said.

“Such a detachment from reality, from the demands of society, will inevitably lead to a surge of populism and the growth of radical movements, to serious social and economic changes, to degradation and, in the near future, to a change of elites,” the Russian leader said.

Although it might be unpopular to say this, I don't disagree with most of his points of view.

Policies undertaken by EU and US leaders are exacerbating inequalities and divisions in their societies, not just in terms of welfare but in terms of values and orientations of various groups, Putin said.

I agree with this statement. The wealth gap between the rich and poor has grown too vast, its formed a black hole that is starting to suck the middle class into it and spits it out towards the poorer end. This further isolates the rich into a very small, select and dangerous pocket. I completely see a populist movement forming against the rich and governmental elite, which leads me to believe that this statement below most certainly is true:

“Such a detachment from reality, from the demands of society, will inevitably lead to a surge of populism and the growth of radical movements, to serious social and economic changes, to degradation and, in the near future, to a change of elites,” the Russian leader said.

I believe the overwhelming poor and middle class will revolt against the rich and government. There's no surprise as to why they are suddenly wanting to pass gun control laws and in many respects trying to take our guns. They see that the inevitable is right around the corner, that being a collapse of the US economy with resultant poor masses and a nonexistent middle class. Shit is going to get ugly folks.

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2022, 03:18:10 PM »
Putin has no shame. Whatever he says, the opposite is true.

Some bad high school memories  ??? , Vladimir snatched your girlfriend ............

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2022, 03:31:39 PM »
Although it might be unpopular to say this, I don't disagree with most of his points of view.

I agree with this statement. The wealth gap between the rich and poor has grown too vast, its formed a black hole that is starting to suck the middle class into it and spits it out towards the poorer end. This further isolates the rich into a very small, select and dangerous pocket. I completely see a populist movement forming against the rich and governmental elite, which leads me to believe that this statement below most certainly is true:

I believe the overwhelming poor and middle class will revolt against the rich and government. There's no surprise as to why they are suddenly wanting to pass gun control laws and in many respects trying to take our guns. They see that the inevitable is right around the corner, that being a collapse of the US economy with resultant poor masses and a nonexistent middle class. Shit is going to get ugly folks.

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no one will do anything of the sort

first they would have to get off their fat asses, and do something about anything

all day posting on social media, watching tv, eating fast food, buying kias and hyundais

hell fucking no, the broke will get broker,

suddenly  trying passing gun control laws?

they have been talking about threatening to pass such gun control laws for 50 years.

get back to gossip and who owns who on a bodybuilding board fucking dumb ass

i took a piss at the gym and noticed one of those laminated workers rights posters near a janitorial closet , it said minimum wage is 10 bucks as of 2021 and will increase each year until it reaches 15 per hour until 2026, i had no idea there was any law passed that resulted in this wage increase  timeline.

15 per hour  in 2026 will go no further than 10 does now in 2022

this country is going to be in very bad shape, by 2030, tens  of millions of illegals will enter usa, with out of control inflation. and our voting system  is now no better than 3rd world countries we used to laugh at, is now a reality for us

thats what will sink the ship here. once theres no actual democracy and elections do not matter  the smart wealthy  people will leave in mass.

maybe im wrong, but as long as crazed young women and cuckhold men go ape over a man named trump, and want him gone regardless of the economic downfall of doing so, this country is done


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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2022, 05:27:45 PM »
no one will do anything of the sort
first they would have to get off their fat asses, and do something about anything

The last 300 years have taught us otherwise. Revolutions can be peaceful or can be by way of revolt. We need to anticipate the future by studying the past. The idea that history doesn't repeat itself, but often rhymes holds true regardless of what bias we peg to it.

In terms of wealth gap leading to revolution (peaceful or otherwise), this phenomenon has occurred in order with the French, Russian, US and Chinese. With President Roosevelt, we saw how the Roosevelt Revolution (1933) to redistribute wealth was peaceful and maintained the internal order. Whereas we've seen other examples like the French (1789), Russian (1917) and Chinese (1949) revolutions, which had more violent grabs of power and wealth redistribution that led to a change of the internal order with violent revolts.

We are already seeing a pattern, whereby Trudeau (the coward of the North) is stripping away the rights of its citizens to bare arms for self defense. Granted, their constitution never granted them that right/privilege, but he is doubling down to make them defenseless. Given what we saw him do during the trucker convoy fiasco, whereby they froze bank assets and paralyzed many of its people to the point of having difficulty with buying food, it wouldn't be farfetched to see something similar down here at some point.

With all these oddly recurring school shootings we are currently witnessing and the violent protests we saw as we neared the 2020 presidential elections (BLM - looting and rioting), it's all giving congress the perfect talking points/ammunition to take away our guns. First, they will take automatic weapons and then try for semi-automatic weapons. They will claim it's to protect its citizens from these violent school shootings, I instead believe it's to disarm us so that when the real bad guys come we'll have nothing to defend ourselves with.

But again, I can be very wrong and sure hope I am regarding these matters. A revolt against the rich and government can certainly occur, as poverty, hunger and desperation are all phenomenal motivators to bare arms and revolt, but what happens when you have no weapons to bare? You guessed it, we surrender, as life is better than serving as fertilizer.

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2022, 05:49:13 PM »
It reminds me of when Marie Antoinette said "If the peasants run out of bread...let them eat cake."

Too out of touch with reality to apparently grasp that when the peasants ran out of bread, they had no access to cake.  ::)

Then the peasants killed her.  ;D
To be fair Marie Antoinette did not have the same power as the globalist cabal running the show in USA and Europe. And she was also not a gangster / criminal / mafia like the globalists. Executing her was not an existential threat to the powers that be of the time. The criminal globalist cabal in the USA will not go down as easy. They are being protected by the US military. The only thing that could threaten them is a sustained, decentralized attack and death by a thousand cuts. An assassination here. And assassination there. Bribe here and there. Betrayal here, betrayal there. They need to be infiltrated and killed from the inside out. That's how they are destroying western civilization. The globalists are like a cancer that's eating western civilization alive.

So apparently Marie Antoinette was a scapegoat. And I've read that there are doubts she ever said "let them eat cake". She was not even French, having been born in Austria. Her marriage was an alliance between France and Austria.

https://www.historyadventures.co/the-real-story-behind-let-them-eat-cake/

However, the question still remains: did the much-beloved French monarch actually occur those words? For starters the literal translation of the phrase from French to English is inaccurate. Marie Antoinette is said to have said “Qu’ils mangent de la brioche” which literally translates to let them eat Brioche. While Brioche is a buttery, sweet french breakfast bread much more expensive than a basic Baguette, it is no multi icing layered gateaux one imagines.  However, this still doesn’t change the fact that it showed how arrogant and out-of-touch the French Queen was from her subjects. Now the matter of whether Marie Antoinette actually occurred those words come to question. Well according to historians she did not! Lady Antonia Fraser, the author of a biography of the French queen, believes the quote would have been highly uncharacteristic of Marie-Antoinette. She states Marie Antoinette was a sensible woman who despite her lavish lifestyle showed sensitivity to her subjects. But keeping that aside, this quote has been circulating since before 1789 and was told in a slightly different form about Marie-Thérèse, the Spanish princess who married King Louis XIV in 1660. She allegedly said that the French people eat la croûte de pâté” (or the crust of the pâté). This story first appeared in philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau “Confessions” in 1766, when Marie Antoinette was just 10 years old! Thus, whoever occurred those words was definitely not Marie Antoinette.

French Revolution
The French Revolution destroyed the ties between the two states, despite appeals by the French National Assembly for Austria to honour the 1756 treaty. In 1792, the Austrians sent troops to invade France and threatened to destroy Paris unless Louis XVI, now reduced to a constitutional monarch, was restored to his previous status. The Austrians suffered a defeat at the Battle of Valmy; Louis XVI was overthrown and, together with Marie Antoinette, was executed the following year. Austria has joined a coalition of states trying to crush the French revolutionaries by force, and Vienna became one of the centres of anti-revolutionary activity by giving shelter to many French royalist refugees.[8]

Napoleonic Wars
Further information: Treaty of Paris (14 March 1812)
After the Austrian Empire was defeated in the War of the Fifth Coalition in 1809 by the First French Empire, the alliance was briefly revived. Francis II's second daughter, Marie Louise, married Napoleon I and became Empress consort of the French. The Austrians contributed 34,000 men to La Grande Armée during the French invasion of Russia.

The alliance broke down after Napoleon's retreat from Russia, and Austria joined the Sixth Coalition against France in 1813.

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2022, 05:54:38 PM »
no one will do anything of the sort

first they would have to get off their fat asses, and do something about anything

They will do something if they have nothing left to lose. If they lose their homes, their jobs, family members etc. If they are hungry and starving en masse.

If life is good I agree they won't so shit. And then there is no reason to do anything. If you have freedom, luxury, happiness etc. why would you want to rebel against that?

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2022, 05:56:47 PM »
To be fair Marie Antoinette did not have the same power as the globalist cabal running the show in USA and Europe. And she was also not a gangster / criminal / mafia like the globalists. Executing her was not an existential threat to the powers that be of the time. The criminal globalist cabal in the USA will not go down as easy. They are being protected by the US military. The only thing that could threaten them is a sustained, decentralized attack and death by a thousand cuts. An assassination here. And assassination there. Bribe here and there. Betrayal here, betrayal there. They need to be infiltrated and killed from the inside out. That's how they are destroying western civilization. The globalists are like a cancer that's eating western civilization alive.

So apparently Marie Antoinette was a scapegoat. And I've read that there are doubts she ever said "let them eat cake". She was not even French, having been born in Austria. Her marriage was an alliance between France and Austria.

https://www.historyadventures.co/the-real-story-behind-let-them-eat-cake/

However, the question still remains: did the much-beloved French monarch actually occur those words? For starters the literal translation of the phrase from French to English is inaccurate. Marie Antoinette is said to have said “Qu’ils mangent de la brioche” which literally translates to let them eat Brioche. While Brioche is a buttery, sweet french breakfast bread much more expensive than a basic Baguette, it is no multi icing layered gateaux one imagines.  However, this still doesn’t change the fact that it showed how arrogant and out-of-touch the French Queen was from her subjects. Now the matter of whether Marie Antoinette actually occurred those words come to question. Well according to historians she did not! Lady Antonia Fraser, the author of a biography of the French queen, believes the quote would have been highly uncharacteristic of Marie-Antoinette. She states Marie Antoinette was a sensible woman who despite her lavish lifestyle showed sensitivity to her subjects. But keeping that aside, this quote has been circulating since before 1789 and was told in a slightly different form about Marie-Thérèse, the Spanish princess who married King Louis XIV in 1660. She allegedly said that the French people eat la croûte de pâté” (or the crust of the pâté). This story first appeared in philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau “Confessions” in 1766, when Marie Antoinette was just 10 years old! Thus, whoever occurred those words was definitely not Marie Antoinette.

French Revolution
The French Revolution destroyed the ties between the two states, despite appeals by the French National Assembly for Austria to honour the 1756 treaty. In 1792, the Austrians sent troops to invade France and threatened to destroy Paris unless Louis XVI, now reduced to a constitutional monarch, was restored to his previous status. The Austrians suffered a defeat at the Battle of Valmy; Louis XVI was overthrown and, together with Marie Antoinette, was executed the following year. Austria has joined a coalition of states trying to crush the French revolutionaries by force, and Vienna became one of the centres of anti-revolutionary activity by giving shelter to many French royalist refugees.[8]

Napoleonic Wars
Further information: Treaty of Paris (14 March 1812)
After the Austrian Empire was defeated in the War of the Fifth Coalition in 1809 by the First French Empire, the alliance was briefly revived. Francis II's second daughter, Marie Louise, married Napoleon I and became Empress consort of the French. The Austrians contributed 34,000 men to La Grande Armée during the French invasion of Russia.

The alliance broke down after Napoleon's retreat from Russia, and Austria joined the Sixth Coalition against France in 1813.

Interesting post. I learned a lot.

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2022, 06:08:06 PM »
The last 300 years have taught us otherwise. Revolutions can be peaceful or can be by way of revolt. We need to anticipate the future by studying the past. The idea that history doesn't repeat itself, but often rhymes holds true regardless of what bias we peg to it.

In terms of wealth gap leading to revolution (peaceful or otherwise), this phenomenon has occurred in order with the French, Russian, US and Chinese. With President Roosevelt, we saw how the Roosevelt Revolution (1933) to redistribute wealth was peaceful and maintained the internal order. Whereas we've seen other examples like the French (1789), Russian (1917) and Chinese (1949) revolutions, which had more violent grabs of power and wealth redistribution that led to a change of the internal order with violent revolts.

We are already seeing a pattern, whereby Trudeau (the coward of the North) is stripping away the rights of its citizens to bare arms for self defense. Granted, their constitution never granted them that right/privilege, but he is doubling down to make them defenseless. Given what we saw him do during the trucker convoy fiasco, whereby they froze bank assets and paralyzed many of its people to the point of having difficulty with buying food, it wouldn't be farfetched to see something similar down here at some point.

With all these oddly recurring school shootings we are currently witnessing and the violent protests we saw as we neared the 2020 presidential elections (BLM - looting and rioting), it's all giving congress the perfect talking points/ammunition to take away our guns. First, they will take automatic weapons and then try for semi-automatic weapons. They will claim it's to protect its citizens from these violent school shootings, I instead believe it's to disarm us so that when the real bad guys come we'll have nothing to defend ourselves with.

But again, I can be very wrong and sure hope I am regarding these matters. A revolt against the rich and government can certainly occur, as poverty, hunger and desperation are all phenomenal motivators to bare arms and revolt, but what happens when you have no weapons to bare? You guessed it, we surrender, as life is better than serving as fertilizer.

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the surrender already occurred,  they stayed home, wore masks, got shots, and turned on anyone who didnt do as the media told them
the government isnt your enemy

its your neighbors

they all cowered and stayed home, wore maskes, got shots and yelled and screamed at those who wouldnt wear a mask or get a shot

there is no revolution, there will not be one

boomers will die, and generation x will be the only ones living who actually read books, or didnt ask "google" for the truth


 the last election they mail in voted what we are living now

choice is gone.

reason and real information is gone

its censored, covered up and people dont care

all they want is fast food, gossip, and to hate

theres plenty of that,

and after gen x is gone there will be no one to stand up or remember what it was like to use your own brain.

now they carry their brains in their hand. its called a smartphone, and they dont even own that, they rent it

you dont need to take away weapons to disarm people

control money and ability to earn it, instant control over the slaves. no vax, no travel, no vax no job, no vax no credit

guns arent the issue at all.  pharmaceutical companies make up more than 40 percent of advertisers, of all major networks 

can you even comprehend why the NFL MLB NBA all bowed to social justice?

pharma money

drugs make people kill, not guns

drugs will keep people at home, and doing jack shit,

add alcohol companies to the list of control.

drunk, stoned and incapacitated, masses watch tv where only criminals and the police have or use guns,

you dont need to take guns, people dont know how to use them anyway


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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2022, 12:07:20 AM »
I bet that you let illegal immigrants live with you, and drive your car wherever they like

Haha. Hardly, I voted for Brexit, in part, because I believe there is too much / rapid a rate of immigration in the U.K.

It may be hard for people to imagine, but it is possible to have varied opinions on topics without blindly absorbing a single party’s rhetoric.

I believe Putin to be a cancer on humanity. He is killing thousands, steals the wealth from his people and props up fellow shitbag autocrats.

But that’s just one opinion. You clearly think he’s great.

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2022, 12:12:21 AM »
Some bad high school memories  ??? , Vladimir snatched your girlfriend ............

He put on his best platform shoes, got extra Botox, came riding in on a bear with his top off, flaunting his stolen billions, and still got custard pied.

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2022, 08:39:11 AM »

the surrender already occurred,  they stayed home, wore masks, got shots, and turned on anyone who didnt do as the media told them
the government isnt your enemy

its your neighbors

they all cowered and stayed home, wore maskes, got shots and yelled and screamed at those who wouldnt wear a mask or get a shot

there is no revolution, there will not be one

boomers will die, and generation x will be the only ones living who actually read books, or didnt ask "google" for the truth


 the last election they mail in voted what we are living now

choice is gone.

reason and real information is gone

its censored, covered up and people dont care

all they want is fast food, gossip, and to hate

theres plenty of that,

and after gen x is gone there will be no one to stand up or remember what it was like to use your own brain.

now they carry their brains in their hand. its called a smartphone, and they dont even own that, they rent it

you dont need to take away weapons to disarm people

control money and ability to earn it, instant control over the slaves. no vax, no travel, no vax no job, no vax no credit

guns arent the issue at all.  pharmaceutical companies make up more than 40 percent of advertisers, of all major networks 

can you even comprehend why the NFL MLB NBA all bowed to social justice?

pharma money

drugs make people kill, not guns

drugs will keep people at home, and doing jack shit,

add alcohol companies to the list of control.

drunk, stoned and incapacitated, masses watch tv where only criminals and the police have or use guns,

you dont need to take guns, people dont know how to use them anyway

fucks sake you managed to fluke a great post  ;D

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Re: Putin - ‘Elite change’ awaits the West
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2022, 12:55:45 PM »
fucks sake you managed to fluke a great post  ;D

you wont see anyone refute it

one more homo will try to tall about 300 years ago maybe

no one is losing their guns

no need