If carbs are unessential to life.....

[Marty Champions]

why are the people on dialysis fed a steady stream of carbs?

Should we just not give them carbs and let them die since carbs arent essenntial, fagget?

[loco]

"Dialysate, also called dialysis fluid, dialysis solution or bath, is a solution of pure water, electrolytes and salts, such as bicarbonate and sodium."
https://www.davita.com/treatment-services/dialysis/in-center-hemodialysis/what-is-hemodialysis

Essential nutrients are required for normal body function and cannot be made by the body or cannot be made in amounts adequate for good health and therefore must be obtained by the diet.

The body can make carbohydrates from protein and fat, but it cannot make essential amino acids and essential fatty acids.

[loco]

Adding glucose to dialysis solution is not only unnecessary, but it's likely harmful:

Hemodialysate solutions often contain high concentrations of glucose (up to 200 mg/dL). The historical reasons for the addition of glucose to the dialysate included: (1) aid in performance of ultrafiltration and (2) minimization of nutritional (caloric) losses during dialysis. However, recent experimental evidence supports the fact that exposure to high levels of glucose may be pro-inflammatory. Given the high morbidity and mortality associated with dialysis and its linkage to chronic inflammation, the routine use of glucose in the dialysate may warrant reexamination.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18394054/

[The Keto Kid]

If carbs were essential for life the Inuit population would have been completely extinct centuries ago.

[IroNat]

Marty, does that answer your questions?

[MAXX]

It's not essential but it's not optimal for performance to be without. Nor is it an optimal diet for gaining or retaining muscle mass. The human body is the most efficiant at utilizing carbohydrates for energy. The biological process of gluconeogenesis is solid proof of that where during intense stress(like weight lifting) the body will utilize amino acids for fuel and part of that your muscle tissue. Ofcourse your body after long time of fasting can turn into ketogenesis but even then during intense stress the body will still partly utilize gluconeogenesis.

[slow and steady]

why are the people on dialysis fed a steady stream of carbs?

Should we just not give them carbs and let them die since carbs arent essenntial, fagget?

the body makes it's own carbs - so yeah they are probably essential, but  that doesn't mean we have to eat them, anymore than we need to drink blood

[Thin Lizzy]

The argument is a bit dishonest. Just because you can live without something doesn’t automatically mean you’re better off without it.

The Ketards like to use this argument but they don’t explain why the brain’s default fuel is glucose and Ketones are only used in glucoses’ absence.

[The Keto Kid]

I think our ancestors performed quite well surviving the ice age without a single plant🤷‍♂️

[Thin Lizzy]

Our history indicates that we’re omnivores as our ancestors had to eat whatever they could get their hands on to survive.

[The Keto Kid]

Our history indicates that we’re omnivores as our ancestors had to eat whatever they could get their hands on to survive.

Explain the ice age, Explain the Inuit? There's zero plants growing in snow/ice brother.

[Thin Lizzy]

Explain the ice age, Explain the Inuit? There's zero plants growing in snow/ice brother.

They seem to confirm that we’re omnivores. They were able to survive on what was available to them in their environment. Groups in other parts of the world survived on different diets.

[joswift]

fats are more important than protein

Just google Rabbit Starvation
Eating very lean meats can be fatal, you get toxin build ups

At certain times of the year inuits can only eat Caribou that are very lean as they cant get seal meat due to the sea freezing over and the seals migrating
They have to eat pounds and pounds of caribou to survive,

[loco]

the body makes it's own carbs - so yeah they are probably essential, but  that doesn't mean we have to eat them, anymore than we need to drink blood

In the context of nutrition, "essential" means the body cannot make its own.  So in this context, carbs are not essential.

[joswift]

carbs are the reason for the worlds obesity problem


Simple shitty cheap carbs are cheap, almost always BOGOF offers in supermarkets

Low fat diets were pushed to create the obesity epidemic

Why do you think the Atkins diet was ridiculed back in the 80s?
It was because companies didnt like the idea of people not eating carbs, way too much money involved

Same reason now why meat is getting such a bad rap (eating meat is affecting the climate)

Now they want everyone vegan so they end up asexual weaklings

[loco]

It's not essential but it's not optimal for performance to be without. Nor is it an optimal diet for gaining or retaining muscle mass. The human body is the most efficiant at utilizing carbohydrates for energy.

Plenty of people and studies out there proving this isn't true.  It might be true for professional, elite athletes and bodybuilders.  However, it isn't true for the general population.  You can most definitely perform very well in most athletic activities, build muscle and strength on a well formulated keto diet.

The biological process of gluconeogenesis is solid proof of that where during intense stress(like weight lifting) the body will utilize amino acids for fuel and part of that your muscle tissue. Ofcourse your body after long time of fasting can turn into ketogenesis but even then during intense stress the body will still partly utilize gluconeogenesis.

For gluconeogenesis the body uses both protein and fat too to create glucose.  In people on a very low carb, high fat diet, the body uses more fat than protein to create glucose.  Ketones are muscle sparing.

[loco]

They seem to confirm that we’re omnivores. They were able to survive on what was available to them in their environment. Groups in other parts of the world survived on different diets.

Correct.  Humans are omnivores, which gives us a survival advantage over carnivores and herbivores.

[loco]

The argument is a bit dishonest. Just because you can live without something doesn’t automatically mean you’re better off without it.

The Ketards like to use this argument but they don’t explain why the brain’s default fuel is glucose and Ketones are only used in glucoses’ absence.

The argument is honest, and eye opening to most people in an era when fat and protein are vilified and we are told that carbs are essential and that our diet should be mostly carbs.

Many people are so obese and sick, they'd do well to eat a very low carb, high fat diet.  However their doctors and most nutritionists will tell them carbs are essential and that a low carb diet will kill them.

Eating 150g carbs per day is far from a keto diet, yet that's probably the most the general population should consume.  Instead most people consume 300g+ carbs per day, as prescribed by governments and health organizations.  No wonder we have obesity and diabetes epidemics.

[joswift]

I have been on 60gms carbs 6 days a week for the last 4 weeks
I have no trouble at all energy wise and my blood sugar levels are always normal.

[loco]

I have been on 60gms carbs 6 days a week for the last 4 weeks
I have no trouble at all energy wise and my blood sugar levels are always normal.

Good for you.  I have been on a less than 20g carbs per day, very fatty meat (mostly beef) heavy diet consistently for over 3 years.

How have I been able to stay on such a diet consistently for so long?

Other than the fact that I'm staying fit while eating only delicious foods daily until I'm very full, this diet has significantly improved my physical, mental, and emotional health, and continues to do so to this day.  I have no desire to go back to my old days of poor health and crappy foods.

[Teutonic Knight]

If carbs were essential for life the Inuit population would have been completely extinct centuries ago.

All that protein & fat  , but they didn't grow too much !.

[loco]

All that protein & fat  , but they didn't grow too much !.

They were fit and very strong.  They had to be in order to pull very large walrus, seals, etc. out of the water.





But they didn't grow too much like the majority of the carb eating populations.

[Thin Lizzy]

It’s the combination of carbs and fats.

Pretty much all the palatable high carb foods are also high fat: Pizza, ice cream, cookies, cakes, all fast food meals.

Keto certainly works well for weight loss but part of the reason is that by eliminating carbs you take out a lot of fats in the process.

[loco]

It’s the combination of carbs and fats.

Pretty much all the palatable high carb foods are also high fat: Pizza, ice cream, cookies, cakes, all fast food meals.

Keto certainly works well for weight loss but part of the reason is that by eliminating carbs you take out a lot of fats in the process.

A well formulated keto diet is very high fat, moderate protein.  But yes, by doing keto the right way, you'd be eliminating lots of ultra-processed foods that are high in both carbs and fats (industrial "vegetable" oils).

Keto, when done right, works well not only for weight loss, but also to resolve many health problems.  It certainly worked for me.  I didn't start keto to lose weight.

Keto works for weight loss for many reasons, one of which is controlling insulin levels.  When blood insulin is high, fat burning cannot happen because burning blood glucose and storing it, as glycogen and as fat, takes highest priority until blood glucose levels are back to normal.

It's no surprise what happens to a person's body composition when their blood glucose and insulin levels are high all day, every day, for decades because they consume too many carbs.

[IroNat]

Today's "low fat" processed foods are generally high in carbs.

Carbs are readily converted to glucose and spike insulin levels and stress the pancreas, resulting in the excess glucose that cannot be stored in the muscles being stored as fat.

Eating the western low fat/high carb/high calorie diet makes you fat.

Unfortunately, a low carb diet is more expensive.  Carbs are cheap.

A high carb, low fat, low calorie diet can work also but you will always be hungry.  It is difficult to sustain over a long period.

A low carb, high fat diet is satiating and sustainable.