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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #250 on: November 18, 2022, 07:53:25 PM »
Had a class today on red dot handguns..actually heard some stuff I never thought of which is rare at this point..and did a few drills I never thought of.

1000 rounds today

1000 rounds tomorrow

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #251 on: November 18, 2022, 08:01:14 PM »
Care to share?

bench is a cop who is former military and military contractor dude.

Did some serious overseas duties for Merica.

Also a competitive shooter.

Funny story is i grew up like 20 miles north of him. Small world.

IIRC.

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #252 on: November 18, 2022, 08:04:17 PM »
bench is a cop who is former military and military contractor dude.

Did some serious overseas duties for Merica.

Also a competitive shooter.

Funny story is i grew up like 20 miles north of him. Small world.

IIRC.

Cool.  I was aware of his military experience.

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #253 on: November 18, 2022, 08:51:52 PM »
Bro...I go through 200 every time I'm at the range. What else are you going to do for an hour? :D

With ONE firearm?  I don't think so, BRO  ;D
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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #254 on: November 18, 2022, 09:01:58 PM »
Had a class today on red dot handguns..actually heard some stuff I never thought of which is rare at this point..and did a few drills I never thought of.

1000 rounds today

1000 rounds tomorrow

Bench

I have a couple red dots (not on the EDC)  Took a little getting used to. I'd like to train in low light/dark conditions with them  (which is tough to find a place that will accommodate) Thoughts?
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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #255 on: November 18, 2022, 09:42:46 PM »
With ONE firearm?  I don't think so, BRO  ;D
Sounds like a bet.
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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #256 on: November 18, 2022, 10:20:58 PM »
Sounds like a bet.

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #257 on: November 19, 2022, 05:22:57 AM »
What do you use for ear pro?
I have the ear plugs that are custom molded to your ears..at big shooting competitions they usually have booths set under not make them..they are like $20

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #258 on: November 19, 2022, 05:23:57 AM »
Serious question. Do you pay for your ammo? I’ll go through 1000-1600 in a full weekend 2 x month. It’s starting to take its toll on my wallet and don’t want to dip into my personal stash too much

Depends on the caliber, and where I am doing the training..this training was on my own so I had to provide the bullets

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #259 on: November 19, 2022, 05:26:31 AM »
With ONE firearm?  I don't think so, BRO  ;D
It was with 1 gun..I brought 2 handguns but I just shot 1 all day yesterday..we haven’t started shooting today..might be a rain out.

This class I have used the p320 xfive legion with an rmr06 the whole time…I also have a p320 max that I brought with me.

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #260 on: November 19, 2022, 05:42:02 AM »
G43 is my carry piece.
The rest are just range-toys...

No hunting or Alec Baldwin targets for me...

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #261 on: November 19, 2022, 05:43:24 AM »
G43 is my carry piece.
The rest are just range-toys...

No hunting or Alec Baldwin targets for me...

God bless America
I have a .22 air rifle FFS

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #262 on: November 19, 2022, 06:00:30 AM »
God bless America
I have a .22 air rifle FFS

The lower rifle is pretty neat. Its a Kel-Tec SUB 2000 (folding rifle).
It takes my 9mm Glock magazines.

https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearm/rifles/sub2000/


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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #263 on: November 19, 2022, 06:47:08 AM »
The lower rifle is pretty neat. Its a Kel-Tec SUB 2000 (folding rifle).
It takes my 9mm Glock magazines.

https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearm/rifles/sub2000/



awesome

I used to have a folding .410 shotgun and a mossberg 5 shot 12 bore
sold them let my licence expire


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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #264 on: November 19, 2022, 08:24:42 AM »
The lower rifle is pretty neat. Its a Kel-Tec SUB 2000 (folding rifle).
It takes my 9mm Glock magazines.

https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearm/rifles/sub2000/


What's the accuracy like at 100yrds?
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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #265 on: November 19, 2022, 10:01:10 AM »
What's the accuracy like at 100yrds?
Shit..a buddy had one in his active shooter bag..we mounted one of my nightforce scopes on it and it was “minute of barn”

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #266 on: November 19, 2022, 10:40:22 AM »
What's the accuracy like at 100yrds?

Never shot that far (indoor range) but this guy talks about it here at 50 -100.

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/review-kel-tec-sub-2000/247556

Also as always, depends on the shooter. Hickcok always does well w/ whatever he shoots.


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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #267 on: November 19, 2022, 01:51:24 PM »
200 rounds sounds like mag dumping unless you were going through specific drills.
I hope you practiced over & over that thumb safety or came to the realization that it should be left off.
My 365 has one, but it doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned.  At the time, it's all I could find and had to fight off 3 other dudes just to make the impulse purchase.

I'm not sure what "mag dumping" means. I was just shooting rounds. I didn't touch the safety at all.
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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #268 on: November 19, 2022, 02:30:48 PM »
I'm not sure what "mag dumping" means. I was just shooting rounds. I didn't touch the safety at all.
A lot of classes with drills for self defense are extremely low round count…classes and training for combat and CQB are extremely high round count.

There is a misconception by some that shooting a lot of rounds will not yield a lot..and for a an untrained newb that’s true..

Like I said in an earlier post..I took a 2 day course test and today..yesterday was a 1000 rounds of handgun and today was supposed to be another 1000 but it got rained out…

Last weekend I had a CQB course at work in the shoot house and I stopped counting rifle rounds at 740ish..and probably 200 rounds out of the pistol just during transition and buddy carry drills.

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #269 on: November 19, 2022, 03:46:01 PM »
A lot of classes with drills for self defense are extremely low round count…classes and training for combat and CQB are extremely high round count.

There is a misconception by some that shooting a lot of rounds will not yield a lot..and for a an untrained newb that’s true..

Like I said in an earlier post..I took a 2 day course test and today..yesterday was a 1000 rounds of handgun and today was supposed to be another 1000 but it got rained out…

Last weekend I had a CQB course at work in the shoot house and I stopped counting rifle rounds at 740ish..and probably 200 rounds out of the pistol just during transition and buddy carry drills.

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Which is what I was kinda getting at.  200 rounds in an hour at the range seems excessive for a newb to retain any sort of muscle memory in basic mechanics like racking, trigger reset point, mag switching, emergency reloads, failures, etc.  During the ammo shortage & ridiculously high prices, I learned to do some basic drills reinforce skill, yet spare ammo.  I mostly train for personal / home defense, although I've taken a few tactical type classes.  One was a 4 day (Frontsight in NV) and we went through about 750 rounds that entire time.

I've found drills like this to be very helpful.

    Randomly load four different magazines with two to four rounds each. When done, shuffle them such that you can't tell which is which, or have a partner load and shuffle them for you. Load one magazine at random, chamber a round, holster your weapon and store the other three on your belt or on the bench in front of you.

    When ready, draw and fire two shots at the torso area of the target, then briefly pause and fire a third shot at the head. If you run empty before firing all three shots, perform an emergency reload and fire the remaining shots. Do not anticipate the reloads; focus on maintaining good two-handed shooting fundamentals until the potential need to reload becomes an actual need.

    Exercise extreme care when doing live-fire holster drills. If you have little or no experience drawing and quickly firing a loaded weapon, do so with exaggerated slowness at first. Maintain excellent trigger discipline and muzzle awareness all the way through the draw motion until you are fully extended and ready to fire. Worry about drawing and firing quickly only after many safe and successful repetitions at slow speeds.

    When you can quickly draw and fire two rounds to the torso and one to the head, reloading quickly as needed, then move the target farther downrange and/or move on to timed drills.
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    Randomly load four different magazines with two to six rounds each. Load exactly fifteen rounds between all four magazines. When done, shuffle them such that you can't tell which is which, or have your partner load and shuffle them for you. Load one magazine at random, chamber a round, holster your weapon and store the other three on your belt or on the bench in front of you.

    Wait for your partner to call a number. Draw and fire two shots at the torso of the corresponding target, then one to the head. If you run empty before firing all three shots, perform an emergency reload and fire the remaining shots. Do not anticipate the reloads; focus on maintaining good two-handed shooting fundamentals until the potential need to reload becomes an actual need.

    Exercise extreme care when doing live-fire holster drills. If you have little or no experience drawing and quickly firing a loaded weapon, do so with exaggerated slowness at first. Maintain excellent trigger discipline and muzzle awareness all the way through the draw motion until you are fully extended and ready to fire. Worry about drawing and firing quickly only after many safe and successful repetitions at slow speeds.

    Once you've fired the final shot at the target's head, your partner will call a different number. Engage that target in the same manner, reloading as necessary. Do not re-holster your weapon between targets.

    If your partner calls "reload" in between target engagements, perform an emergency reload if your current magazine is empty. Perform a tactical reload (retain the partially spent magazine) if your current magazine has rounds remaining.

    The drill concludes successfully once you've fired all fifteen rounds, three at each of the five targets, with ten clear body hits and five clear head hits.

    For advanced versions of this drill, vary the number and position of targets, vary the number of rounds in each magazine, and/or race against the clock.

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #270 on: November 19, 2022, 06:38:05 PM »
I'm not sure what "mag dumping" means. I was just shooting rounds. I didn't touch the safety at all.
Mag dump is firing a bunch of rounds/full mag without really aiming at the target. Think hebrews in a drive by. :D
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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #271 on: November 19, 2022, 06:58:17 PM »
Mag dump is firing a bunch of rounds/full mag without really aiming at the target. Think hebrews in a drive by. :D

Well, I wasn't thinking of it quite that way.  ;D  More like the guys I see standing at the firing line/bench, standing in the same position, arms outreached, aiming, but just pulling the trigger until the mag is empty.  Just wasteful IMO
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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #272 on: November 19, 2022, 07:55:09 PM »
We mag dump at the end of the day to clear mags then clear the guns on the firing line with a buddy check then instructors check. Mag dumps shouldn’t be any more than 20-60 rounds depending on mag capacity and how many on your person and used in a drill. It’s not necessary but kinda fun. 200 rounds should be a little more than warm up rounds in various warm up drills

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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #273 on: November 20, 2022, 10:25:37 AM »
Which is what I was kinda getting at.  200 rounds in an hour at the range seems excessive for a newb to retain any sort of muscle memory in basic mechanics like racking, trigger reset point, mag switching, emergency reloads, failures, etc.  During the ammo shortage & ridiculously high prices, I learned to do some basic drills reinforce skill, yet spare ammo.  I mostly train for personal / home defense, although I've taken a few tactical type classes.  One was a 4 day (Frontsight in NV) and we went through about 750 rounds that entire time.

I've found drills like this to be very helpful.

    Randomly load four different magazines with two to four rounds each. When done, shuffle them such that you can't tell which is which, or have a partner load and shuffle them for you. Load one magazine at random, chamber a round, holster your weapon and store the other three on your belt or on the bench in front of you.

    When ready, draw and fire two shots at the torso area of the target, then briefly pause and fire a third shot at the head. If you run empty before firing all three shots, perform an emergency reload and fire the remaining shots. Do not anticipate the reloads; focus on maintaining good two-handed shooting fundamentals until the potential need to reload becomes an actual need.

    Exercise extreme care when doing live-fire holster drills. If you have little or no experience drawing and quickly firing a loaded weapon, do so with exaggerated slowness at first. Maintain excellent trigger discipline and muzzle awareness all the way through the draw motion until you are fully extended and ready to fire. Worry about drawing and firing quickly only after many safe and successful repetitions at slow speeds.

    When you can quickly draw and fire two rounds to the torso and one to the head, reloading quickly as needed, then move the target farther downrange and/or move on to timed drills.
________________________ ____________________

    Randomly load four different magazines with two to six rounds each. Load exactly fifteen rounds between all four magazines. When done, shuffle them such that you can't tell which is which, or have your partner load and shuffle them for you. Load one magazine at random, chamber a round, holster your weapon and store the other three on your belt or on the bench in front of you.

    Wait for your partner to call a number. Draw and fire two shots at the torso of the corresponding target, then one to the head. If you run empty before firing all three shots, perform an emergency reload and fire the remaining shots. Do not anticipate the reloads; focus on maintaining good two-handed shooting fundamentals until the potential need to reload becomes an actual need.

    Exercise extreme care when doing live-fire holster drills. If you have little or no experience drawing and quickly firing a loaded weapon, do so with exaggerated slowness at first. Maintain excellent trigger discipline and muzzle awareness all the way through the draw motion until you are fully extended and ready to fire. Worry about drawing and firing quickly only after many safe and successful repetitions at slow speeds.

    Once you've fired the final shot at the target's head, your partner will call a different number. Engage that target in the same manner, reloading as necessary. Do not re-holster your weapon between targets.

    If your partner calls "reload" in between target engagements, perform an emergency reload if your current magazine is empty. Perform a tactical reload (retain the partially spent magazine) if your current magazine has rounds remaining.

    The drill concludes successfully once you've fired all fifteen rounds, three at each of the five targets, with ten clear body hits and five clear head hits.

    For advanced versions of this drill, vary the number and position of targets, vary the number of rounds in each magazine, and/or race against the clock.
Firing 200 is me just getting comfortable with a new gun. May be new to concealed carry but not new to shooting. Fortunately ammo costs are not an issue for me.
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Re: Concealed Carry Weapon of Choice
« Reply #274 on: November 20, 2022, 10:47:52 AM »
Mag dump is firing a bunch of rounds/full mag without really aiming at the target. Think hebrews in a drive by. :D
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