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To the experts on here - is that believable, or complete BS ? ???


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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2022, 06:13:27 AM »
Believable yes necessary or even useful debatable. If you take 2 3cc shots of 250mg a day that would be 10 grams a week then add orals and yeah you could be over 13 grams but is it doing anymore than 2??? As a large guy he can take more oil but you are still going to run out of spots and get very sore shooting that much but he didn’t say how much was orals could be a lot of orals and less oil. As far as the hgh the shots are easy enough as it’s water based assuming you have the money to afford 56iu the bigger concern would be the painful bloating as it’s an anti diuretic but he could offset that with other compounds.

I knew a superheavyweight NPC competitor in college who said he did 2 3cc shots a day so I know it can be done for a short time but eventually you will get tired of that

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2022, 06:21:46 AM »
Honestly, the lethargic state someone would be in taking all that seems unbearable to me.

And I'm not even taking about the cost.
But lets say back in the days, you could get a box of blue top for 200$ or so, maybe less.

So lets say around 2400$ per month on HGH.
And i suppose he has underground gear for free.

It's believeable with G4P



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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2022, 06:30:53 AM »
You can get a box of 14 iu bottles for about 200 probably 150 in bulk so he is probably paying about a dollar an IU so that would be closer to 1500 a month he probably deals and gets it cheaper but regardless not everyone needs to do G4P to come up with 1500 a month

Shit I practically pay that in child support every month and I am not turning tricks yet

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2022, 06:35:54 AM »
Believable. Guys like Billy Mimnaugh got up around 10grms a week, and I routinely see cycles creeping up into the 5-7grm range in powerlifting now. So, it's totally conceivable that a big IFBB guy with good sources could get up into the low double digits.

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2022, 06:38:52 AM »
You can get a box of 14 iu bottles for about 200 probably 150 in bulk so he is probably paying about a dollar an IU so that would be closer to 1500 a month he probably deals and gets it cheaper but regardless not everyone needs to do G4P to come up with 1500 a month

Shit I practically pay that in child support every month and I am not turning tricks yet

Your math is way off lol

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2022, 06:48:52 AM »
Some idiot on gh15`s board did 105 shots per week,every week.....when he finally posted pics he looked like total shit......way out of proportion and tons of torn bodyparts and he was short and stumpy looking.....fucking moron could have done 2 CC`s twice a week and looked the same and more than likely would have looked far better......had terrible skin and what I call the extreme "chemical look'.

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2022, 06:53:21 AM »
I find it excessive, but what do i know.

Plus, in Heiko heyday hormones had better quality, pharmacheutical grade. One could get more with less.

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2022, 06:54:47 AM »
Believable. Guys like Billy Mimnaugh got up around 10grms a week, and I routinely see cycles creeping up into the 5-7grm range in powerlifting now. So, it's totally conceivable that a big IFBB guy with good sources could get up into the low double digits.
Billy looked grotesque after a while......I can`t believe him and his his ugly physique beat me in a masters contest.......seemed like a good dude though. 

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2022, 07:26:35 AM »
You can get a box of 14 iu bottles for about 200 probably 150 in bulk so he is probably paying about a dollar an IU so that would be closer to 1500 a month he probably deals and gets it cheaper but regardless not everyone needs to do G4P to come up with 1500 a month

Shit I practically pay that in child support every month and I am not turning tricks yet
$1/iu for sugar water. No gh that's even somewhat legit is that cheap

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2022, 07:31:41 AM »
To the experts on here - is that believable, or complete BS ? ???



Someone should make a GIF of his prancing on stage in a thong and with the pants down at his ankles looool

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2022, 07:42:47 AM »
$1/iu for sugar water. No gh that's even somewhat legit is that cheap

I didn’t realize you were a connoisseur

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2022, 07:53:05 AM »
Your math is way off lol

You realize bhanks is a Mensa member, correct?

His math is spot on.
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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2022, 07:57:59 AM »
I knew that guy was on something!

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2022, 08:25:03 AM »

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2022, 08:34:14 AM »
Someone should make a GIF of his prancing on stage in a thong and with the pants down at his ankles looool

Saw him in Pump Room at 2005 San Francisco Pro, he was with Milos but did not place well at that show. Speaking of prancing, he had his posing trunks fully hiked for full glute reveal around all the other dudes. Don’t guess it meant anything other than pure narcissism but it struck me as weird. Same at some FIBOS I think. Especially when he bent forward to relax or pump up.

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2022, 08:41:35 AM »
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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2022, 05:34:32 PM »
A friend of mine has an amazing connection, and his cost works out to $40 CAD for a 10mL bottle at 250mg/mL. So...2.5g for $40 CAD = $29.53 USD.

At that price, 12.5g would cost $200 CAD.

And 13g would work out to about $155 USD. Although a more realistic price in Canada would be 2-3x that price.

But what it does prove is that it is possible to pay $155 USD weekly for 13g of testosterone.

That's about $22 a day.

I can't speak for the cost of the GH...to be honest, I rarely hear of anyone taking it where I am. I'm sure there are people who do...but I've only known of a few examples, and it seemed pretty expensive.

Someone told me that Nasser El Sonbaty popularized the 10g testosterone weekly as a base, back in 1996. I have no idea if that is true, or just how many pros took that much. One thing I've heard is that 3g a week of total injectable gear is way on the low end. Which is funny, because in a 2006 podcast with MD, Greg Kovacs said that 3g weekly was about the max he ever took.  ;D

The 10g testosterone weekly was apparently a thing, so I don't think 13g is much of a stretch. As for that GH...if that's a weekly figure, then that's 8 IU daily. I recall someone suggesting Ronnie was on 18 IU daily, but there was no evidence presented, so it seemed like just a guess.

I believe Lou Ferrigno was taking something like 3-4 IU of GH daily for his 1993 Mr. Olympia prep. I have no idea if that is true though, but I seem to recall that someone credible said that's what Lou did.

Heiko Kallbach was massive, so I could see him being someone who pushed the gear pretty hard.

Unless those were daily figures, in which case they are unbelievable.  ;D But for weekly figures, I could see that.

And yeah, I'd have to think anyone taking that much juice would feel pretty sluggish with their bodies having such a massive increase in protein synthesis ability.

Greg Kovac's wife used to feed him small pieces of steak, and he would immediately start sweating, while being cooked by a small fan blowing dry ice on him. I always took that to mean his body was building muscle literally as he was chewing and swallowing the steak.  :o Crazy stuff.

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2022, 05:50:40 PM »
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WTF?!  Was für eine erbärmliche Nachahmung des Lebens warmer Bruder Hintern Schlampe.

All those drugs and yet another one that cannot come close to Arnold at his best.   Looks like another career buttslut.

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2022, 06:03:16 PM »
Believable yes necessary or even useful debatable. If you take 2 3cc shots of 250mg a day that would be 10 grams a week then add orals and yeah you could be over 13 grams but is it doing anymore than 2???

Are you asking if hypothetically, would 13g weekly be better than 2g weekly?

From what I understand, 3g weekly of injectable gear is considered pretty low end, even among amateur competitive bodybuilders [regional or state level guys]. A top National level guy once told me that some of the guys in his contest were discussing their gear cycles backstage, and he and others were surprised at one guy who was only using 3g weekly, as that was rather low end.

So my guess is that 13g weekly would be better than 2g...my hypothetical question would be whether or not 13g weekly would be better than 5-10g, or whatever the "standard" weekly pro bodybuilder quantity of injected gear is. Assuming that is common, as some have claimed.

Didn't Dallas McCarver's autopsy show that he was on between 15-25g of injected gear weekly?

As a large guy he can take more oil but you are still going to run out of spots and get very sore shooting that much but he didn’t say how much was orals could be a lot of orals and less oil. As far as the hgh the shots are easy enough as it’s water based assuming you have the money to afford 56iu the bigger concern would be the painful bloating as it’s an anti diuretic but he could offset that with other compounds.

I knew a superheavyweight NPC competitor in college who said he did 2 3cc shots a day so I know it can be done for a short time but eventually you will get tired of that

What do you mean by "get tired of that"?

As in, you feel sluggish being on so much gear? Or that the shots become painful, or that it's overwhelming to inject that much gear every day? Or something else?

It's funny when you said you can offset the GH bloating with other compounds.  ;D Gosh...it seems to me that if you want to truly take bodybuilding seriously, it's just constant injecting of gear, force-feeding, and of course - the training.

Now do you see why I just train to be strong for my size, and rarely use gear, use it minimally when I do, and don't eat a bodybuilding diet?

I love the training...but taking that much gear and eating that much food must be absolutely exhausting...Sheesh.

PS - UNRELATED TO THIS THREAD, UPDATE TO B. HANK: the weight class nationals were held in Canada last weekend. I hadn't even heard word of it until eight days ago, so I didn't compete. But the One-Arm Circus Dumbbell Press record in the u-80kg class went up from 154.6-lb to 180-lb! And that happened when I was literally 10-lb away from hitting 155, and breaking the record. I don't see myself realistically hitting 180 any time soon. So yeah...that ship sailed. I know you thought I was being unrealistic to try to break that record, but a 155-lb Circus Dumbbell Press is good, but...nothing crazy.

I was aiming for that record, because, frankly, the Canadian record in my weight class simply wasn't extremely high yet. But now it's 180-lb / 82-kg, which would be more than my body weight at 80-kg. So yeah...I'll be training for it anyway, but I have no realistic expectation of getting it. I think I can get 160 though, which will still rank pretty high.

You say there is no 80-kg Strongman. But there is. And the 80-kg manlets are very strong - not just for their size, but for any size.

Look at the strongest 176-lb Strongman in the world, and the following six guys after him - B. Hank, are you telling me these guys aren't legitimate Strongman? There are heavyweights in America's Strongest Man who can't lift this much. So why don't you consider these guys Strongmen? Just because they don't want to weigh 250+?

https://records.staticmonsters.com/2020/m80-176/

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2022, 06:31:28 PM »
I am not asking I am stating I don't think 2 grams is any more effective than 500mg or 13 grams vs 500mg if you are in an anabolic state you are in an anabolic state you can only grow so quickly. It is about consistency not crazy training or tons of drugs or extreme diets. That is my point a lot of guys are not taking anywhere near that much and getting great results it is not all about taking more. As again No more is not more effective the law of diminishing returns applies. You would have a very difficult time injecting that much volume of oil the muscle it has to digest it before you can use that location again. At your size you would be a giant hemotobia after 1 week unable to train at all. Nobody and I mean no one cares about a damn circus dumbell press. Are you a clown? Do you still look like a skinny fat dweeb on the beach? Yes then you have work to do.

If you love training so much use a full range of motion and bust out a squat already

Same thing with the SEO you guys act like everyone is on it. I have been training 25 years and not one guy I have ever known has used that stuff and these are gearhead weightlifters. It is nowhere near as common as people seem to think only complete retards would use that shit

Are you asking if hypothetically, would 13g weekly be better than 2g weekly?

From what I understand, 3g weekly of injectable gear is considered pretty low end, even among amateur competitive bodybuilders [regional or state level guys]. A top National level guy once told me that some of the guys in his contest were discussing their gear cycles backstage, and he and others were surprised at one guy who was only using 3g weekly, as that was rather low end.

So my guess is that 13g weekly would be better than 2g...my hypothetical question would be whether or not 13g weekly would be better than 5-10g, or whatever the "standard" weekly pro bodybuilder quantity of injected gear is. Assuming that is common, as some have claimed.

Didn't Dallas McCarver's autopsy show that he was on between 15-25g of injected gear weekly?

What do you mean by "get tired of that"?

As in, you feel sluggish being on so much gear? Or that the shots become painful, or that it's overwhelming to inject that much gear every day? Or something else?

It's funny when you said you can offset the GH bloating with other compounds.  ;D Gosh...it seems to me that if you want to truly take bodybuilding seriously, it's just constant injecting of gear, force-feeding, and of course - the training.

Now do you see why I just train to be strong for my size, and rarely use gear, use it minimally when I do, and don't eat a bodybuilding diet?

I love the training...but taking that much gear and eating that much food must be absolutely exhausting...Sheesh.

PS - UNRELATED TO THIS THREAD, UPDATE TO B. HANK: the weight class nationals were held in Canada last weekend. I hadn't even heard word of it until eight days ago, so I didn't compete. But the One-Arm Circus Dumbbell Press record in the u-80kg class went up from 154.6-lb to 180-lb! And that happened when I was literally 10-lb away from hitting 155, and breaking the record. I don't see myself realistically hitting 180 any time soon. So yeah...that ship sailed. I know you thought I was being unrealistic to try to break that record, but a 155-lb Circus Dumbbell Press is good, but...nothing crazy.

I was aiming for that record, because, frankly, the Canadian record in my weight class simply wasn't extremely high yet. But now it's 180-lb / 82-kg, which would be more than my body weight at 80-kg. So yeah...I'll be training for it anyway, but I have no realistic expectation of getting it. I think I can get 160 though, which will still rank pretty high.

You say there is no 80-kg Strongman. But there is. And the 80-kg manlets are very strong - not just for their size, but for any size.

Look at the strongest 176-lb Strongman in the world, and the following six guys after him - B. Hank, are you telling me these guys aren't legitimate Strongman? There are heavyweights in America's Strongest Man who can't lift this much. So why don't you consider these guys Strongmen? Just because they don't want to weigh 250+?

https://records.staticmonsters.com/2020/m80-176/

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2022, 06:35:44 PM »
Absolutely believable.

I've personally taken 5g's a week for 8 months and had zero problems with it. Just got tired of shooting gear twice a day.

I know guys who have gone up to 8g's a week for extended periods of time without too many issues.

The GH seems a bit much just due to cost. Many guys offset the tiredness with stimulants.

You can only do these things for so long before problems arise.

I know a powerlifter who trained with Ryan Kennelly back in the day, said they used to shoot 1000mg of gear and eat 200mg of Drol before workouts. I'm assuming that was just a supplemental dose. Ryan admitted to using 5cc syringes in an interview a long time ago.

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2022, 06:44:53 PM »
Absolutely believable.

I've personally taken 5g's a week for 8 months and had zero problems with it. Just got tired of shooting gear twice a day.

I know guys who have gone up to 8g's a week for extended periods of time without too many issues.

The GH seems a bit much just due to cost. Many guys offset the tiredness with stimulants.

You can only do these things for so long before problems arise.

I know a powerlifter who trained with Ryan Kennelly back in the day, said they used to shoot 1000mg of gear and eat 200mg of Drol before workouts. I'm assuming that was just a supplemental dose. Ryan admitted to using 5cc syringes in an interview a long time ago.
Where did you inject it all? (If you don’t mind me asking )

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2022, 06:51:32 PM »
Where did you inject it all? (If you don’t mind me asking )

Delts have 2 locations

Biceps

Lats

Quads have 3 locations

Glutes and 2 nice spots

Hips

That's 10 spots that you can rotate.

Always shot 2-3 cc's at a time, depending on which location, and tried not to hit a spot more than every 5 days.

Also, i was taking 100mg or so of orals per day.

It's not as bad as it sounds.

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Re: German Bodybuilder Heiko Kallbach Took 13 Grams Of AAS And 56IU GH
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2022, 07:19:49 PM »
Delts have 2 locations

Biceps

Lats

Quads have 3 locations

Glutes and 2 nice spots

Hips

That's 10 spots that you can rotate.

Always shot 2-3 cc's at a time, depending on which location, and tried not to hit a spot more than every 5 days.

Also, i was taking 100mg or so of orals per day.

It's not as bad as it sounds.

Wow!  I would get real tired of that even if it is once a week.  You are tougher than I, sir!