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US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« on: November 02, 2022, 02:16:09 PM »
US Fed hikes rates 0.75%.

Now sitting at the year end target of 3.9% so this was pretty damn close estimate from almost a year ago.

Hikes will end only once unemployment breaks. Said this for almost a year now.

Next Unemployment data comes out on the 4th November.


I reviewed China market data yesterday (for my work) for the start of 11/11 sales which is the largest period of the year. Fucking horrific for everybody but The shining star that is Apple got absolutely wrecked by -50% YoY……..

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% rate now 3.9%
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2022, 02:23:35 PM »
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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% rate now 3.9%
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2022, 02:33:00 PM »
US Fed hikes rates 0.75%.

Now sitting at the year end target of 3.9% so this was pretty damn close estimate from almost a year ago.

Hikes will end only once unemployment breaks. Said this for almost a year now.

Next Unemployment data comes out on the 4th November.


I reviewed China market data yesterday (for my work) for the start of 11/11 sales which is the largest period of the year. Fucking horrific for everybody but The shining star that is Apple got absolutely wrecked by -50% YoY……..

The Fed is an instrument of the financial establishment. They’ll stop hiking when it suits them.

This is the same cabal that manufactured the Covid scam, locking people in their homes, not allowing them to attend religious services or see dying relatives.

You think they give a fuck if some shithead loses his job?

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% rate now 3.9%
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2022, 02:37:17 PM »
Federal Government wants your rights and money otherwise don't give a crap about citizens.
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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% rate now 3.9%
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2022, 02:40:08 PM »


Check out that ham/glute tie-in! Jay had more luck getting out of a Sally McNeil patented scissor hold than beating Ronnie that night

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% rate now 3.9%
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2022, 06:04:51 PM »
The Fed is an instrument of the financial establishment. They’ll stop hiking when it suits them.

This is a same cabal that manufactured the Covid scam, locking people in their homes, not allowing them to attend religious services or see dying relatives.

You think they give a fuck if some shithead loses his job?

No, they don’t care and I don’t think I really ever post anything about morality.

That metric is the key to allowing the next stage to begin.

Once it breaks they can pause rates and wait for a recession to appear…… only then can we begin the 2nd inflationary wave next year which will utterly wreck most people as they watch prices rise while unemployment increases and rates double…….


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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% rate now 3.9%
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2022, 06:13:59 PM »
US Fed hikes rates 0.75%.

Now sitting at the year end target of 3.9% so this was pretty damn close estimate from almost a year ago.

Hikes will end only once unemployment breaks. Said this for almost a year now.

Next Unemployment data comes out on the 4th November.


I reviewed China market data yesterday (for my work) for the start of 11/11 sales which is the largest period of the year. Fucking horrific for everybody but The shining star that is Apple got absolutely wrecked by -50% YoY……..

Where do you see it in a year?

I'm working with a lot of developers and people think the bottom won't be until late next year, at least for new home sales.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2022, 03:57:11 AM »
Fed moves take awhile to effect...9-12 months out from it.


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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% rate now 3.9%
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2022, 04:26:33 AM »
Where do you see it in a year?

I'm working with a lot of developers and people think the bottom won't be until late next year, at least for new home sales.

Economy might bottom around June assuming we see unemployment break soon.

US Property will cool off and then move up again. People can’t compute that 3% mortgage homeowners don’t sell if their next mortgage is 8% let alone 15%…..meaning supply is fucked both from existing homeowners and new builds take 2x-3x longer to build due to shortages.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% rate now 3.9%
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2022, 09:37:09 AM »
Where do you see it in a year?

I'm working with a lot of developers and people think the bottom won't be until late next year, at least for new home sales.


The guys I talk to say they’ll build through it, and that we’ve already hit the recession. They’re saying second/third quarter of 2024 is when we’ll jump off and get back to what normal was, not this crap we dealt with here the last 2-3 years.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2022, 04:22:59 PM »
Amazon below March 2020 Covid lows. Fucking marks who bought the stock split got worked and deservedly so:


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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% rate now 3.9%
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2022, 05:58:40 PM »

The guys I talk to say they’ll build through it, and that we’ve already hit the recession. They’re saying second/third quarter of 2024 is when we’ll jump off and get back to what normal was, not this crap we dealt with here the last 2-3 years.

Yeah my main 3 builders are big fish, going to build no matter what.

They are discounting new homes by $60-80k just to get sales.

Selling a fraction of what they were 6 months ago, by volume.

Profit margins are not much, but they are making some money.

Some areas are seeing cheaper prices on materials and labor, some materials are going up while others going down.

Concrete is insane right now.

The 2 small time builders i develop for are already canceling projects.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% rate now 3.9%
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2022, 06:00:18 PM »
Economy might bottom around June assuming we see unemployment break soon.

US Property will cool off and then move up again. People can’t compute that 3% mortgage homeowners don’t sell if their next mortgage is 8% let alone 15%…..meaning supply is fucked both from existing homeowners and new builds take 2x-3x longer to build due to shortages.

Thanks.

We are having slow build times due to lack of materials and labor shortages.

From what is happening in other states, the labor is going to change soon.

Curious to see how materials fair in the next year.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2022, 06:00:40 PM »
Leverage kills in downtimes.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2022, 06:04:00 PM »
Leverage kills in downtimes.

My biggest client has deep pockets.

And they aren't slowing down, but they are forcing trades and consultants to reduce fees if they want business.

Should be interesting in 6 months or so.

Everything is getting flipped upside down.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2022, 06:40:09 PM »
My biggest client has deep pockets.

And they aren't slowing down, but they are forcing trades and consultants to reduce fees if they want business.

Should be interesting in 6 months or so.

Everything is getting flipped upside down.


I have a few folks like that that I deal with. But, they’ve been around so long and have continued through recessions. I figure I’ll take a haircut and ride it out with people like them and state/municipal jobs. It’s been raining the last few years, and I had my bucket out collecting water. Good luck.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2022, 07:24:16 PM »

I have a few folks like that that I deal with. But, they’ve been around so long and have continued through recessions. I figure I’ll take a haircut and ride it out with people like them and state/municipal jobs. It’s been raining the last few years, and I had my bucket out collecting water. Good luck.

Yeah, it's good to have options.

Plenty of other work out there.

Take the small cut and be there when it ramps up again.

I'm doing the same thing.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% rate now 3.9%
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2022, 08:39:13 PM »
Federal Government wants your rights and money otherwise don't give a crap about citizens.

I'd imagine they don't even see citizens as people anymore if they ever had.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2022, 04:44:30 AM »
The Fed only cares about full employment and inflation.

That is their mission.

Full employment is usually considered to be 3-4% unemployment.

They have one tool to use: interest rates.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2022, 05:18:44 AM »
Jerome Powell drawing this out to keep economy in a shitty state to help his buddy trump and make Biden look bad.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2022, 07:28:57 AM »
US Fed hikes rates 0.75%.

Now sitting at the year end target of 3.9% so this was pretty damn close estimate from almost a year ago.

Hikes will end only once unemployment breaks. Said this for almost a year now.

Next Unemployment data comes out on the 4th November.

I reviewed China market data yesterday (for my work) for the start of 11/11 sales which is the largest period of the year. Fucking horrific for everybody but The shining star that is Apple got absolutely wrecked by -50% YoY……..

Agree with bolded statement above. Powell will continue to raise rates until the "REAL INTEREST RATES" are not negative and instead possibly even to that of inflation. Right now, keeping money in the bank as savings makes no logical sense with the current inflation rate as you actually lose money by having it parked in the bank. Moreover, Powell will keep raising rates to cause unemployment to rise further, which in turn will lead to a slow down in the velocity of money on the ground level.

For others on the forum (not the guys that are participating in this thread and have a good grasp on *macro*-economics), here's a quick primer for better understanding as to what the fuck Powell and the FED are doing 👇

The Federal Reserve has "3 main tools" that are used to shape our monetary policy. I say "3 main tools" because it actually does have a few more than that. What are the 3 tools?

(A) Buying (Quantitative easing) and selling (quantitative tightening) of US bonds. - The buying of US bonds by the Fed (i.e. printing of money) leads to more currency being in circulation, which in turns leads to higher inflation. The selling of US bonds by the FED results in less money being in circulation, as the FED gets to hold on to that "money" instead of allowing it to circulate.

(B) Lowering/Raising interest rates. - Raising interest rates which makes it more expensive to borrow money (money for investing in the market, acquiring mortgages, get business loans, personal loans etc.). This is a way that Jerome Powell can also cause the unemployment rate to rise. Many businesses depend on borrowed money to fund their ventures. That borrowed money can be invested in assets that also include people. If businesses can't borrow money as they used to AND people aren't investing into those business via the stock market, that in turn leads to those businesses having to lay off people due to not having enough capital to work with, which in turn raises unemployment. Raising unemployment is beneficial to the FED, as it will also decrease the velocity of money, which in turn lowers inflation (This is a backdoor approach to lowering inflation. Powell is playing chess here, not checkers). In the opposite way, when the FED lowers interest rates, it leads to more people/institutions borrowing money as it is being lent out for practically free. More money being borrowed equals more money in circulation, which in turn leads to higher inflation.

(C) Determining the requirement of deposited money that banks are required to keep as cash. - When you have a lower cash requirement for banks, this leads to more cash banks can lend out which results in economic growth by putting more cash into circulation, but it can lead to increased inflation. When you have a higher cash requirement for banks, this leads to less cash the banks can lend out as they need to hold higher amounts in house, which leads to less cash in circulation and can then lead to lower inflation.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2022, 09:13:43 AM »
easy way to fix all of this..


all credit card companies need to cut available balances in half immediately


this way people can't spend, stop revenge traveling and go back to work


screw this rate hike nonsense... does nothing

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2022, 09:28:35 AM »
I haven't seen anyone who has a positive outlook on the future besides Biden.

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2022, 03:45:05 AM »
The Fed’s housing market ‘reset’ isn’t letting up anytime soon—5 things to know heading into 2023

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fed-housing-market-reset-isn-020200889.html

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Re: US Fed hikes 0.75% on Nov 2, 2022 - rate now 3.9%
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2022, 02:52:53 AM »
Thin Lizzy, Amazon stock is still trading at a very high PE ratio (price / earnings). Not sustainable in an environment with rising interest rates. The stock could fall a lot further.