Brittany Grindr released.

[Dave D]

A White Marine who was convicted of theft of 10k and accessing a government computer with a fake SSN getting a bad conduct discharge.  Some who decided to associate and going to Russia using a "wedding" as cover in order to conduct business with a Russian agent and was arrested with a USB of Russian economic files along with having 80k in unaccounted money

The United States may have failed but so did Canada where he was born as well as Ireland and UK as he's a citizen in 4 countries.  Its ultimately up to Putin to release him anyway and he definitely isn't giving up someone like him.  Even Trump couldn't get him out.   He's just fucked.   Yes, he was a Marine...but a Marine who used his position to steal money.  Don't prop him up as some American hero.

Compare that to a 2 time Olympic gold medalist who was being held on having some hadish oil.   Even Russian citizens get probation for stuff like that instead of 9 year sentence .   I'm glad she was released because she was clearly being used as a political football

Vince thanks for the update of the Marine.

Brittany was also a Russian employee. It will be interesting to hear her side of the story; if she really had the minuscule amount oil or if they were all trumped up charges. Sucks she was a political prisoner but she had spent several years working in that country and knew the potential risk she was taking.

Glad she’s out and can get back to her life back to normal.

[Coach is Back!]

A White Marine who was convicted of theft of 10k and accessing a government computer with a fake SSN getting a bad conduct discharge.  Some who decided to associate and going to Russia using a "wedding" as cover in order to conduct business with a Russian agent and was arrested with a USB of Russian economic files along with having 80k in unaccounted money

The United States may have failed but so did Canada where he was born as well as Ireland and UK as he's a citizen in 4 countries.  Its ultimately up to Putin to release him anyway and he definitely isn't giving up someone like him.  Even Trump couldn't get him out.   He's just fucked.   Yes, he was a Marine...but a Marine who used his position to steal money.  Don't prop him up as some American hero.

Compare that to a 2 time Olympic gold medalist who was being held on having some hadish oil.   Even Russian citizens get probation for stuff like that instead of 9 year sentence .   I'm glad she was released because she was clearly being used as a political football

Vince, first provide a link to this. Second, it is absolutely irrelevant, considering the trade that was made and who she was traded for. Do you understand who this man is? Do you have any concept of who this man is and what he has done?

Also, why wasn’t the white teacher a part of this trade? Why only the black gay trans basketball player?

[joswift]

Vince, first provide a link to this. Second, it is absolutely irrelevant, considering the trade that was made and who she was traded for. Do you understand who this man is? Do you have any concept of who this man is and what he has done?

Also, why wasn’t the white teacher a part of this trade? Why only the black gay trans basketball player?

Its a fucking male, stop keep saying "she"

[Dave D]

Vince, first provide a link to this. Second, it is absolutely irrelevant, considering the trade that was made and who she was traded for. Do you understand who this man is? Do you have any concept of who this man is and what he has done?

Also, why wasn’t the white teacher a part of this trade? Why only the black gay trans basketball player?

There was a white teacher?

Does that teacher have 100’s of people watch him play other women in the WNBA?

[Coach is Back!]

Its a fucking male, stop keep saying "she"

I slipped

[Coach is Back!]

There was a white teacher?

Does that teacher have 100’s of people watch him play other women in the WNBA?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/marc-fogel-family-pennsylvania-man-detained-russia-begs-biden-blinken-include-him-britney-griner-deal

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Vince, first provide a link to this. Second, it is absolutely irrelevant, considering the trade that was made and who she was traded for. Do you understand who this man is? Do you have any concept of who this man is and what he has done?

Also, why wasn’t the white teacher a part of this trade? Why only the black gay trans basketball player?

Link...you can Wikipedia that shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Whelan_(security_director)



You do also have to understand that it was a 1 for 1 swap.   Putin is not going to swap 2-3 people just to release one person and given the fact that Fogel smuggled 17 vape pens into the country compared to 1 pen by Griner also factors in.  Fogel was convicted of drug trafficking...which he did.  It will be harder to get him out.    Whelen has a better chance for Canada, Ireland, or the UK to advocate for his release as Russia is less at odds with those countries than the U.S because Putin didn't even bat an eye when Trump advocated for his release.

Honestly, I don't know why people are stupid enough to go to Russia, Sylva, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Myramar, etc.  All of them...Griner, Whelen, Fogel, etc ...stupid fucks who went to countries that don't bullshit around with laws like the U.S and got fucked in the ass.   The lesson for today is to just stay in the United States or go to a country like the UK, Sweden, etc where they don't ride camel or walk around in sandals which a bone through their nose   

[Irongrip400]

Biden punked out. I don’t think what she did was worthy of a nine year prison sentence, so Biden should have negotiated for the release of the other few people. Whether or not the ex marine was a spy or not, the dude we gave up was way worse than that. Should’ve also thrown in the teacher. Biden got cucked by pooty.

[Kwon_2]

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Female to Male or?

Male to Female?

[BB]

Female to Male or?

Male to Female?

Something to something, perhaps Riff to Raff -

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[GymnJuice]

I assume we got more than the basketball player for the Russian arms dealer. For whatever reason either the Russians or we don't want it publicized. Its all behind the scenes we only know what they want us to know.

[residue]

Y’all are mad an American was freed?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Biden punked out. I don’t think what she did was worthy of a nine year prison sentence, so Biden should have negotiated for the release of the other few people. Whether or not the ex marine was a spy or not, the dude we gave up was way worse than that. Should’ve also thrown in the teacher. Biden got cucked by pooty.

Putin isnt going to let go of Whelen unless its an act of God.   He's going to do his 16 years.   Fogil smuggled 17 vape pins into the country and was convicted of drug trafficking.


Griner was let go because there's a lot less reason to hold her....not to mention thst she's a 2 time Olympic Gold medalist.   No matter who got released, people still would have bitched about it

[Dave D]

Putin isnt going to let go of Whelen unless its an act of God.   He's going to do his 16 years.   Fogil smuggled 17 vape pins into the country and was convicted of drug trafficking.


Griner was let go because there's a lot less reason to hold her....not to mention thst she's a 2 time Olympic Gold medalist.   No matter who got released, people still would have bitched about it

I read it was half an ounce of medical Marijuana not 17  vape pens.

[Moontrane]

Its a fucking male, stop keep saying "she"

Back at it (HT Black Metallic):

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I read it was half an ounce of medical Marijuana not 17  vape pens.

Nope...17 vape pens

[SF1900]

I read it was half an ounce of medical Marijuana not 17  vape pens.

It was around 17 grams and was prescribed by his doctor for back pain.

[jude2]

How in the hell did the US not get her and the marine free for this Russian? We look very weak on the World stage.

[The Scott]

Black female basketball player is released in exchange for an international arms dealer…..white Marine still sits in prison….and yes, coincidentally right after the mid-terms. Gotta secure that black and gay voting base 

This^.  Fuck this sAdministration/bAdministration for bringing "home" the hideous Freedom Hating Hag of a Dyke.  I hope she's beat up by midget-mooslimes in drag.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

How in the hell did the US not get her and the marine free for this Russian? We look very weak on the World stage.

Putin is not going to release Whelen...he was never in the running...he's convicted as a spy.  Otherwise he would have been released years ago

[Primemuscle]

Black female basketball player is released in exchange for an international arms dealer…..white Marine still sits in prison….and yes, coincidentally right after the mid-terms. Gotta secure that black and gay voting base 

You and Marjorie Taylor Greene must be in cahoots, or you adamantly follow her Twitter account.  What you posted in nearly word for word what she said on Twitter.

Notice, I am not disagreeing with you or Marjorie. I am suggesting that one should look at the nuisances of these types of negotiations. Biden is President, so naturally he gets the criticism. I am not sure who negotiates these exchanges, but my guess is it wasn't Biden himself.

IMO, it is a real shame that thus far the U.S. has been unsuccessful at negotiating Paul Whelan's release. He was accused and convicted of espionage. Whelan and his defense team declined to appeal the conviction, which seems odd to me. It appears
obvious that in Russia espionage is a more serious crime than Griner's drug charges. She had a 9-year sentence compared to Whelan's 16-year prison sentence of which he has served 4 years.

In the U.S. the crime of espionage is extremely serious. A conviction could result in life in prison or even death. The possession if hashish is still a crime in the U.S. Conviction can result in a sentence of up to 5 years. I am not sure how the easing of laws against marijuana, which vary by state might change this.

Viktor Blout was sentenced for 25 years of which he has served 10. His crime is more serious than Griner's and their respective sentences reflect this. All in all, as far as trades go, the U.S. didn't negotiate as good a deal as did Russia on this one.

I've said this before, and I truly believe it. When in "Rome, do as the Romans do." If you're in another country, it behooves you to know and abide by their laws or face the consequences. Remember the young fellow who caned 4 times for theft and vandalism in Singapore when he was 18 years old. Many folks in the U.S. were aghast at this. I say too bad, so sad. Turns out he was a bit of a nuisance. He was cited for various minor crimes when he returned to the U.S. Folks like this jerk are slow learners.

[Tapeworm]

Y’all are mad an American was freed?

Not me. Every nonviolent drug offender should be freed.

A massive percentage of the US prison population literally dindu nuthin. Supposedly liberty minded conservatives have nothing to say about it.

[Primemuscle]

A White Marine who was convicted of theft of 10k and accessing a government computer with a fake SSN getting a bad conduct discharge.  Some who decided to associate and going to Russia using a "wedding" as cover in order to conduct business with a Russian agent and was arrested with a USB of Russian economic files along with having 80k in unaccounted money

The United States may have failed but so did Canada where he was born as well as Ireland and UK as he's a citizen in 4 countries.  Its ultimately up to Putin to release him anyway and he definitely isn't giving up someone like him.  Even Trump couldn't get him out.   He's just fucked.   Yes, he was a Marine...but a Marine who used his position to steal money.  Don't prop him up as some American hero.

Compare that to a 2 time Olympic gold medalist who was being held on having some hadish oil.   Even Russian citizens get probation for stuff like that instead of 9 year sentence .   I'm glad she was released because she was clearly being used as a political football

Thanks Vince. This was very interesting reading. Why is it there being almost always more to a story then we know... and yet we tend to jump to conclusions with a lack of knowledge.

Even though Biden likely was not who negotiated this exchange, some folks, like idiot Marjorie Taylor Greene will put it all on him. Heck, she's probably filed for a Biden impeachment resolution over it, which will make it the sixth time she's done this. Seriously, what person it their right mind takes someone like her seriously? She is a total nut job.

[Walter Sobchak]

One could basically eat that pussy standing up….flat footed.

[The Keto Kid]

Serious question, if it was Vince Goodrum who was imprisoned on these exact charges, would he be released? Vince is a gay black male. Would Biden fight to get him back on American soil?