Alec Baldwin finally charged

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Well but it wasn’t an accident. It was negligent at best.

The prosecution is going to have to prove that he knew the gun was loaded with live ammunition and that he was experienced enough to know that any firearm is to be treated as loaded at all times. He's a Hollywood actor...they are experienced with tofu smoothies and driving electric cars......not guns

[deadz]

Gun prop master should be charged not Baldwin. This makes no sense.

[Mayday]

Why should baldwin be charged, he didn't know there was a live round. The people in charge of the ammo should know and be held accountable.
I know people don't seem to like baldwin but i dont see how he can be charged

Someone was killed so there needs to be responsibility. That lies with multiple parties.

Ballin is Charged because it is a real firearm so the law applies to usage and safety. Ie If he was holding a photo of a gun and a bullet flew out and killed the girl, then you have a point. A photo of a gun can not fire a real bullet whereas a real gun can. Gun laws apply when real guns are used.

Dummy rounds can be messed up in production and essentially become live rounds. There is also room for error in the traceability from production to set. Responsibility of that traceability lies with the person hired to manage safety.

All parties were contractually paid for safety and all failed because someone died due to negligence, not an act of God.

I didn’t know’ is not a defence for negligence, pointing a gun at someone (loaded or not) is the primary negligence on his behalf and indefensible because you can’t say i never pointed it at her. The whole trigger excuse is an attempt to misdirect the public away from the fact he pointed a gun at someone, not while filming but just chatting casually.

[Mayday]

Gun prop master should be charged not Baldwin. This makes no sense.

It makes sense (see my post above).

The question is what sentence should he get. I’m assuming a light suspended sentence.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Yes but the main difference is Baldwin LIED THROUGH HIS SMUG FUCKING FACE.

LOL, "I didn't pull the trigger" who the fuck else did. The problem with his lie is that it was an obviously really bad lie. And everyone knew it was a really obviously bad lie.

The second shitty thing he did was play the victim instead of showing any remorse.

He lied during a criminal investigation. Yes it wasn't intentional but he pulled the trigger then he lied about it. Therefore he can be charged with Manslaughter if not Negligent Homicide as well as hindering if not perjury.

Dont quote me on the exact statutes as laws in different states have different elements and sometimes different names but you should be able to understand that this isn't purley political.  If anything politics would benefit him. His witness statement as well as the assnine comments he made on national television,  against his lawyers advice btw, are what prompted this.

In the end his own arrogance and stupidity got him charged.

Of course he was lying....but lying doesn't equal a manslaughter charge. If I pop a cork on a bottle of champagne and it puts someone's eye out...do we charge him with assault???   They were doing rehearsals for the movie for him to pull out the gun and aim it at the camera...the people who got hit were behind a screen.  He didn't go and point the gun at someone


He already settled with the family...even made one of them a producer and filming will start back up soon.   None of the people that actually mattered will testify against him except some workers who walked off the set.   But I honestly don't give a shit about these people so whatever happens ...happens .  But I call bullshit on the charge

[Coach is Back!]

Gun prop master should be charged not Baldwin. This makes no sense.

Again, the last one holding the gun should be the last one to clear it. Even if it’s unloaded you still don’t point it

[IronMagazine.com]

The prosecution is going to have to prove that he knew the gun was loaded with live ammunition and that he was experienced enough to know that any firearm is to be treated as loaded at all times. He's a Hollywood actor...they are experienced with tofu smoothies and driving electric cars......not guns

ummmm....no they do not because the charge is involuntary manslaughter.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

So you cannot be convicted of involuntary manslaughter if it's an accident, really? Baldwin was a producer and he pulled the trigger. I would say he bears quite a bit of the responsibility. If he is smart he will take a plea deal and get little or maybe no prison time.

He's an idiot actor and he was in rehearsals for the movie where he was to pull out the gun and aim it at the camera.  The people he hit were behind a screen.   He has no knowledge of firearms or firearms safety which is why there was an armorer on set that was responsible for making sure the weapons were properly handled.   He thought that he had a movie prop gun because that's what was given to him and that's what he was told it was....it was a movie after all.

Yea someone should be help responsible...but for negligence and not a murder charge..

[IronMagazine.com]

He's an idiot actor and he was in rehearsals for the movie where he was to pull out the gun and aim it at the camera.  The people he hit were behind a screen.   He has no knowledge of firearms or firearms safety which is why there was an armorer on set that was responsible for making sure the weapons were properly handled.   He thought that he had a movie prop gun because that's what was given to him and that's what he was told it was....it was a movie after all.

Yea someone should be help responsible...but for negligence and not a murder charge..

it's not a murder charge, it's involuntary manslaughter which means someone died because of your actions.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Again, the last one holding the gun should be the last one to clear it. Even if it’s unloaded you still don’t point it

Coach, WE KNOW THAT..WE'VE HANDLED FIREARMS.  He doesn't know shit about firearms and hired an armorer for that reason

[IronMagazine.com]

In order to obtain a conviction of Involuntary Manslaughter, the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, the following legal elements:

That the defendant caused an unlawful, while unintentional, killing. In other words, there was no legal justification for the killing (such as self-defense,) and the defendant intended to commit the act or conduct that ultimately caused the death. However, the prosecution does not need to prove that the defendant intended to cause the death that resulted from his conduct;

That the victim’s death was caused by wanton or reckless conduct, meaning that the defendant's actions created a high degree of likelihood that substantial and serious harm would result to another person; and The wanton or reckless conduct that the defendant engaged in, in fact caused the victim’s death.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

it's not a murder charge, it's involuntary manslaughter which means someone died because of your actions.

involuntary manslaughter would be like running a red light and hitting someone and killing them.  You didn't intend to kill them but your negligence in running a red light caused it.

The Rust shooting happened because the armorer handed Alec a gun and told him it was a cold gun.   He was on a movie set and he had a reasonable expectation that he had a prop gun and not one with real bullets, and he pulled it out because it was a rehearsal.

[Coach is Back!]

Coach, WE KNOW THAT..WE'VE HANDLED FIREARMS.  He doesn't know shit about firearms and hired an armorer for that reason

He claimed he did and therein lies the problem. He said he’s been handling firearms for years

[Gym Rat]

He claimed he did and therein lies the problem. He said he’s been handling firearms for years

Werent they shooting live rounds off the set, during breaks and stuff?  Or was that just bullshit?

[Coach is Back!]

Werent they shooting live rounds off the set, during breaks and stuff?  Or was that just bullshit?

I think you’re right. I forgot all about that

[pamith]

Brutal if true

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

He claimed he did and therein lies the problem. He said he’s been handling firearms for years

Maybe Fox News can help you

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/rust-tragedy-alec-baldwin-should-not-be-charged-criminal-case-shooting-death-halyna-hutchins

[Coach is Back!]

Maybe Fox News can help you

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/rust-tragedy-alec-baldwin-should-not-be-charged-criminal-case-shooting-death-halyna-hutchins

I read that earlier. It’s his opinion. I don’t agree with it and not because he’s an asshole

[Tapeworm]

Stick to the facts.

He's not bald.
He's not winning.
Sean Connery told him point blank "Be careful what you shoot at. Some things in here don't react well to bullets."

[honest]

negligence is still criminal behaviour, even if he doesn't do anytime, civilly he's farked, lawsuit coming. No insurance company is going to take the fall for him when he's found guilty.

[Coach is Back!]

The Rust shooting happened because the armorer handed Alec a gun and told him it was a cold gun.   He was on a movie set and he had a reasonable expectation that he had a prop gun and not one with real bullets, and he pulled it out because it was a rehearsal.

Dammit Vince, do you understand it was still a real gun, it’s a not a toy gun and there is NEVER any “reasonable expectation” that it’s empty, blanks or even snap caps. The last one to handle it is the last one to make sure it’s clear and safe. PERIOD.

[beakdoctor]

Of course he was lying....but lying doesn't equal a manslaughter charge. If I pop a cork on a bottle of champagne and it puts someone's eye out...do we charge him with assault???   They were doing rehearsals for the movie for him to pull out the gun and aim it at the camera...the people who got hit were behind a screen.  He didn't go and point the gun at someone


He already settled with the family...even made one of them a producer and filming will start back up soon.   None of the people that actually mattered will testify against him except some workers who walked off the set.   But I honestly don't give a shit about these people so whatever happens ...happens .  But I call bullshit on the charge

A cork in a bottle is not a deadly weapon. What you're describing is a freak accident.

He pointed a gun at her and pulled the trigger. Granted it was supposed to be loaded with blanks but even  blanks have killed people. Then he lied about it.

There's also culpability because he was the producer too, if im not mistaken.  Bottom line hee death is his responsibility.

[IronMagazine.com]

A cork in a bottle is not a deadly weapon. What you're describing is a freak accident.

He pointed a gun at her and pulled the trigger. Granted it was supposed to be loaded with blanks but even  blanks have killed people. Then he lied about it.

There's also culpability because he was the producer too, if im not mistaken.  Bottom line hee death is his responsibility.

Exactly, and yes he was the main producer of the film, aka the CEO, and who also has responsibility for what those working for him (employees) do such as the armor person he hired to ensure things like that don't happen.

[Desolate]

Gun prop master should be charged not Baldwin. This makes no sense.

They were both charged.

The gun prop master is a woman.

[Agnostic007]

no jury is going to convict him, it was ruled an accidental shooting and it happened on the set of the Crow when Brandon Lee was killed.  Politically motivated

He may not be convicted. But he may. It seems to me the two incidents while similar may have differences in culpability. For example, Brandon was killed by a faulty dummy round, not a live round. The actor who shot Brandon was not a person in charge of the set and had inherent responsibility for safety protocols being followed.

I THINK the differences that could lean towards a conviction is that there are allegations that Baldwin fostered an unsafe environment and protocols were inconsistent even after complaints.