Alec Baldwin finally charged

[Moontrane]

It would be great if there was a rule now in movies where all guns have to be finger guns and the actor has to make as good sounds as possible for the firing.

Obviously, you'd still need to making blank sounds from your mouth (not live ones), but it'd be safer.

There's near-precedence for that.   

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

You still don't aim it at the cinematographer and squeeze the trigger.

That's why it is involuntary manslaughter.

He should know better.

And he knows he's guilty.

This is why, for months, he tried to say the gun went off accidently and he hadn't pulled the trigger.

He knew he aimed it at her and fired it.

He should take a plea, but his moronic ego might get the better of him.

He didn't aim it at her, he aimed it at the camera which was what the scene called for him to do, she was behind the camera with everyone else and who got hit.   Doesn't matter what he said about the trigger...its meaningless because it was after the incident.   The accident was caused by the armorer responsible for making sure the equipment was safe giving him a gun that had live ammunition in it rather than one with blanks...nothing more.

I wouldn't take a plea...its politically motivated and practically every legal expert, former DA's, etc have said its not only a over-reach but sends a very bad precedent.  This was an accident and should be treated as such as a civil court issue.   

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Vince just doesn't seem to get.

Baldwin had no business pulling the trigger when he did. He pulled it during rehearsals and whilst no one was wearing ear protection. He is at fault for firing the gun. The gun having a live bullet in there was just his bad luck.

It doesn't matter about the trigger or ear protection....you ever see any westerns where the main character is wearing hearing protection.   The point is that ultimately the entire incident would not have happened if blank ammunition was placed in the gun instead of live ammunition.   Alec hired an armorer who was an expert at handling firearms for the production because he wasn't one himself...if he was handling the guns himself to save money then the argument can easily be made for manslaughter....very easy.

I don't like Alec and never liked him but I know a political hit when I see it.           

[Flexacon]

It doesn't matter about the trigger or ear protection....you ever see any westerns where the main character is wearing hearing protection.   The point is that ultimately the entire incident would not have happened if blank ammunition was placed in the gun instead of live ammunition.   Alec hired an armorer who was an expert at handling firearms for the production because he wasn't one himself...if he was handling the guns himself to save money then the argument can easily be made for manslaughter....very easy.

I don't like Alec and never liked him but I know a political hit when I see it.         

Vinbecile the crew behind the camera would be wearing over ear type protection and invisible style ear plugs are often worn by those in front of the camera 

Let's try a different example to try help you understand.

Speed limit on a road is 60mph. You're doing 59 and a kid comes out of no where. Nothing you could do even if you were going 40mph. You're in the clear.

Baldwin is 80mph and over the speed limit. Hits the kid, nothing he could do even if he was doing 40, but he's screwed cos he was he failed to follow the speed limit. Baldwin had no reason to be doing 80mph. It's his bad luck some dumb kid fucked up.

Baldwin had no reason to pull the trigger. It's his bad luck some dumb woman fucked up.

[JackTheRipper]

So no one cares about the prop guy putting live rounds in a cap gun?

It was a dumb hoe
I mean how the hell did she put live rounds in there.

[JackTheRipper]

Vinbecile the crew behind the camera would be wearing over ear type protection and invisible style ear plugs are often worn by those in front of the camera 

Let's try a different example to try help you understand.

Speed limit on a road is 60mph. You're doing 59 and a kid comes out of no where. Nothing you could do even if you were going 40mph. You're in the clear.

Baldwin is 80mph and over the speed limit. Hits the kid, nothing he could do even if he was doing 40, but he's screwed cos he was he failed to follow the speed limit. Baldwin had no reason to be doing 80mph. It's his bad luck some dumb kid fucked up.

Baldwin had no reason to pull the trigger. It's his bad luck some dumb woman fucked up.

He should have still checked the Gun...no excuse

[Tapeworm]

We don't know anything about the dead cinematographer tho. It was a Hollywood person. That's all we know. Maybe Baldwin should get a tickertape parade. We just don't know.

[fredrollon]

There's also culpability because he was the producer too, if im not mistaken.  Bottom line hee death is his responsibility.

A lot of bullshit in this thread, but this is the only relevant detail.

If this was only an acting gig for Baldwin, there's no way he would've been charged.

[robcguns]

I can’t stand Baldwin but in no way is this his fault. For them to say all guns should be checked prior to firing I agree but not by an actor, why would there ever be live rounds on a movie set? Pretty stupid to be honest and again I hate the guy but if I was on a jury about this he would get off.

[wes]

I can’t stand Baldwin but in no way is this his fault.

Who cares,throw the fat drunken has been in jail anyway. 

[robcguns]

Who cares,throw the fat drunken has been in jail anyway. 

Ok fuck it, GUILTY.

[Tapeworm]

We say to Alec Baldwin like this. "Alec. Sometimes bad luck happens." And he says yeah that's what it was.

So we ask him. "Alec. You ever see The Deer Hunter?"

Then you hand him the same gun, slap him across the face, and yell MAO! MAO! [slap] MAO!




Quick, cheap, highest television ratings ever. That's a million dollar idea. You guys can have that.

[JackTheRipper]

I can’t stand Baldwin but in no way is this his fault. For them to say all guns should be checked prior to firing I agree but not by an actor, why would there ever be live rounds on a movie set? Pretty stupid to be honest and again I hate the guy but if I was on a jury about this he would get off.

well  anytime i got a weapon of anyone in the military ..you check it.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Vinbecile the crew behind the camera would be wearing over ear type protection and invisible style ear plugs are often worn by those in front of the camera 

Let's try a different example to try help you understand.

Speed limit on a road is 60mph. You're doing 59 and a kid comes out of no where. Nothing you could do even if you were going 40mph. You're in the clear.

Baldwin is 80mph and over the speed limit. Hits the kid, nothing he could do even if he was doing 40, but he's screwed cos he was he failed to follow the speed limit. Baldwin had no reason to be doing 80mph. It's his bad luck some dumb kid fucked up.

Baldwin had no reason to pull the trigger. It's his bad luck some dumb woman fucked up.

That makes no sense you dipshit and no relevence.  Baldwin was rehearsing a scene with the other actors which is why he had the gun in his hand and pointed it at the camera.  It was in the fucking script...you know , that document that actors use to...well act.   Let me give you an example.

There is not irresponsible that he did.  He hired an armorer to handle the weapons and to insure there were blanks on it, he was handed the weapin, he pointed it at the camera as whats in the script, the gun went off..regardless of whether he pulled the trigger and malfunction and it turned out that there was real bullets in it instead of the blanks that was suppose to be in it. 

He is an actor...not a gun expert and thats why an armorer was hired.  The person is responsible for handling guns to make sure they are safe to use.   This was a tragic accident and there is nothing close to being negligence or reckless behavior by him and even you should know that.   Its not just an over reach but politically motivated.   If it was anyone but him, there would be no charges

[King Shizzo]

Nah, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes, than we must know.

I don't care about Baldwin either way, but it there appear to be a witch hunt going on.

Maybe they want it to go to court because the defense can prove that Baldwin was having an affair with said victim, and he wanted to get rid of the evidence.

The real shame in this whole scenario, is that this movie will never be finished.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

He should have still checked the Gun...no excuse

For what, have you even seen blank ammunition???  blanks are practically indistinguishable from real ammunition..  He would had not only had the ability to know  the difference and if he did then there would be no reason to hire an armorer.  He hired one because he doesn't know anything about guns or bullets.

I honestly would like to know how the fuck live ammunition ended up there in the first place.  If there's evidence that brought it there to have more realistic scene then you can make an argument for manslaughter.  But that just didnt happen.  Im interested to hear what the DA is going to bring to trial.

One other thing...the DA hasn't even called them in to be arrested at all which would be typical.  They are suppose to be booked in and usually released on a bond.  That convinces me more that its a political stunt and a smear campaign

[JackTheRipper]

For what, have you even seen blank ammunition???  blanks are practically indistinguishable from real ammunition..  He would had not only had the ability to know  the difference and if he did then there would be no reason to hire an armorer.  He hired one because he doesn't know anything about guns or bullets.

I honestly would like to know how the fuck live ammunition ended up there in the first place.  If there's evidence that brought it there to have more realistic scene then you can make an argument for manslaughter.  But that just didnt happen.  Im interested to hear what the DA is going to bring to trial.

One other thing...the DA hasn't even called them in to be arrested at all which would be typical.  They are suppose to be booked in and usually released on a bond.  That convinces me more that its a political stunt and a smear campaign

Are you being fucking serious?  fucking moron 

[Flexacon]

That makes no sense you dipshit and no relevence.  Baldwin was rehearsing a scene with the other actors which is why he had the gun in his hand and pointed it at the camera.  It was in the fucking script...you know , that document that actors use to...well act.   Let me give you an example.

There is not irresponsible that he did.  He hired an armorer to handle the weapons and to insure there were blanks on it, he was handed the weapin, he pointed it at the camera as whats in the script, the gun went off..regardless of whether he pulled the trigger and malfunction and it turned out that there was real bullets in it instead of the blanks that was suppose to be in it. 

He is an actor...not a gun expert and thats why an armorer was hired.  The person is responsible for handling guns to make sure they are safe to use.   This was a tragic accident and there is nothing close to being negligence or reckless behavior by him and even you should know that.   Its not just an over reach but politically motivated.   If it was anyone but him, there would be no charges

Apologies Vince. You are correct. After all you do have a great record making these types of judgment calls.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Are you being fucking serious?  fucking moron 

These would have been the rounds that would have been in the revolver.  The only difference is that at the end of the round, there's an x marking it as a blank round or some of them can have a crimp at the end.  He would have had to take the bullets out of the gun and he would have to know how to identify that it is a a blank. 

Now he could have asked an expert to help him identify the rounds to insure that they were blanks instead of live but that's exactly what he did.  He was handed a gun and when he asked whether it was clear, he was told that the gun had blanks in it.   

Anything else???

[Coach is Back!]

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[Rambone]

Krank,  please shop that as “possibly bhanks” with his face please 

[robcguns]

well  anytime i got a weapon of anyone in the military ..you check it.

He’s an actor why would an actor assume there is a live round? It’s a movie set. I would assume it’s allset and been loaded by someone on the set with a blank.

[robcguns]

For what, have you even seen blank ammunition???  blanks are practically indistinguishable from real ammunition..  He would had not only had the ability to know  the difference and if he did then there would be no reason to hire an armorer.  He hired one because he doesn't know anything about guns or bullets.

I honestly would like to know how the fuck live ammunition ended up there in the first place.  If there's evidence that brought it there to have more realistic scene then you can make an argument for manslaughter.  But that just didnt happen.  Im interested to hear what the DA is going to bring to trial.

One other thing...the DA hasn't even called them in to be arrested at all which would be typical.  They are suppose to be booked in and usually released on a bond.  That convinces me more that its a political stunt and a smear campaign

Exactly.

[wes]

We say to Alec Baldwin like this. "Alec. Sometimes bad luck happens." And he says yeah that's what it was.

So we ask him. "Alec. You ever see The Deer Hunter?"

Then you hand him the same gun, slap him across the face, and yell MAO! MAO! [slap] MAO!




Quick, cheap, highest television ratings ever. That's a million dollar idea. You guys can have that.

Damn Tape you got me crying over here!   LOL  ;

[oldschoolfan]

Exactly.

I agree with you rob I am not even a liberal but this political horse shit and a shame society has come to this