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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2075 on: September 04, 2024, 01:32:03 PM »
This really does capture one of the key differences between the left and everyone else:  facts vs. feelings.  I have had these conversations with numerous people.  It's accurate.   

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Wow... take a look at the pure contrast between these two Trump and Harris voters in the latest Michigan poll.

TRUMP VOTER (27, male): “My buying power has decreased over the last several years in relation to my wages."

HARRIS VOTER (38, female): “It’s him as a human being. He is a horrible person.”

- The Detroit News
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2076 on: September 04, 2024, 02:30:06 PM »
This is interesting. Wonder why his campaign folks missed the opportunity to submit voter's pamphlet statement?

Looking for Trump in Oregon’s Voters’ Pamphlet? You won’t find him.
Updated: Sep. 04, 2024, 10:15 a.m.|Published: Sep. 03, 2024, 3:38 p.m.

Former President Donald Trump has once again missed a chance to submit a statement for Oregon’s widely-distributed Voters’ Pamphlet, which was released Tuesday. He will still appear on the ballot.

Oregon sends nearly 2 million Voters’ Pamphlets to all households ahead of elections. Candidates don’t have to appear in the pamphlet, but for a fee of $3,500 for presidential candidates, it’s a cheap and easy way for candidates to get their face and a 325-word statement in front of the state’s 3 million voters. (Local candidates pay less; the fee is only $600 for a city or county candidate).

Trump’s campaign also declined to appear in Oregon’s Voters’ Pamphlet ahead of the May primary earlier this year. Trump’s campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment about why it declined to submit a statement for the pamphlet. Laura Kerns, communications director for the Oregon Secretary of State, said that the state repeatedly reached out to the Trump campaign and to the Oregon GOP to make sure it was aware of the Aug. 27 deadline to submit a statement, but received not response.

Note: You may not be able to open the entire article unless you subscribe to Oregonian Online. However, what I copied and pasted above is the most relevant information on this matter in the article.

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2024/09/looking-for-trump-in-oregons-voters-pamphlet-you-wont-find-him.html?lctg=5ea2943fca21c778d81f061e&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletter_morning_briefing%202024-09-04&utm_term=Newsletter_morning_briefing




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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2077 on: September 04, 2024, 02:43:57 PM »
This is interesting. Wonder why his campaign folks missed the opportunity to submit voter's pamphlet statement?

Looking for Trump in Oregon’s Voters’ Pamphlet? You won’t find him.
Updated: Sep. 04, 2024, 10:15 a.m.|Published: Sep. 03, 2024, 3:38 p.m.

Former President Donald Trump has once again missed a chance to submit a statement for Oregon’s widely-distributed Voters’ Pamphlet, which was released Tuesday. He will still appear on the ballot.

Oregon sends nearly 2 million Voters’ Pamphlets to all households ahead of elections. Candidates don’t have to appear in the pamphlet, but for a fee of $3,500 for presidential candidates, it’s a cheap and easy way for candidates to get their face and a 325-word statement in front of the state’s 3 million voters. (Local candidates pay less; the fee is only $600 for a city or county candidate).

Trump’s campaign also declined to appear in Oregon’s Voters’ Pamphlet ahead of the May primary earlier this year. Trump’s campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment about why it declined to submit a statement for the pamphlet. Laura Kerns, communications director for the Oregon Secretary of State, said that the state repeatedly reached out to the Trump campaign and to the Oregon GOP to make sure it was aware of the Aug. 27 deadline to submit a statement, but received not response.

Note: You may not be able to open the entire article unless you subscribe to Oregonian Online. However, what I copied and pasted above is the most relevant information on this matter in the article.

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2024/09/looking-for-trump-in-oregons-voters-pamphlet-you-wont-find-him.html?lctg=5ea2943fca21c778d81f061e&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletter_morning_briefing%202024-09-04&utm_term=Newsletter_morning_briefing
Trump knows Oregon is a Lib shithole and does not waste his time with that State.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2078 on: September 04, 2024, 05:09:09 PM »
Trump knows Oregon is a Lib shithole and does not waste his time with that State.

Oh, is this the reason he cannot be bothered submitting something about himself for the voter's pamphlet? So, I guess this is the same as his saying 'screw you' to the approximately 43% of folks in Oregon who vote Republican. Perhaps this explains why in 2004 it was 46% while in 2020 it was only 40%.

What this tells us is that the Trump campaign was just not organized enough to make the deadline.

But maybe you are right about one thing Oregon is not considered a battleground state so why bother campaigning here when you are sure to lose an election. ::)

Here are some pros and cons regarding living in Oregon:
Pro: Vibrant outdoor activities
Con: Weather variability (lots of rain)
Pro: Eco-friendly living
Con: High income tax rates
Pro: Rich cultural scene
Pro: Active lifestyle
Con: Seasonal allergies
Pro: Diverse culinary scene (known for excellent cuisine)
Con: Traffic congestion (urban areas only)
Pro: No sales tax (not only a savings in cost but in hassle of calculating how much you have to pay for everything).
Con: Limited job opportunities

It is all good though because I whole heartedly agree with what Tom McCall said in 1971
Former Governor Tom McCall's Message to Visitors
"Come visit, don't stay" slogan: "I urge them to come and come many, many times to enjoy the beauty of Oregon. But I also ask them, for heaven's sake, don't move here to live."

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2079 on: September 04, 2024, 07:14:34 PM »
Oh, is this the reason he cannot be bothered submitting something about himself for the voter's pamphlet? So, I guess this is the same as his saying 'screw you' to the approximately 43% of folks in Oregon who vote Republican. Perhaps this explains why in 2004 it was 46% while in 2020 it was only 40%.

What this tells us is that the Trump campaign was just not organized enough to make the deadline.

But maybe you are right about one thing Oregon is not considered a battleground state so why bother campaigning here when you are sure to lose an election. ::)

Here are some pros and cons regarding living in Oregon:
Pro: Vibrant outdoor activities
Con: Weather variability (lots of rain)
Pro: Eco-friendly living
Con: High income tax rates
Pro: Rich cultural scene
Pro: Active lifestyle
Con: Seasonal allergies
Pro: Diverse culinary scene (known for excellent cuisine)
Con: Traffic congestion (urban areas only)
Pro: No sales tax (not only a savings in cost but in hassle of calculating how much you have to pay for everything).
Con: Limited job opportunities

It is all good though because I whole heartedly agree with what Tom McCall said in 1971
Former Governor Tom McCall's Message to Visitors
"Come visit, don't stay" slogan: "I urge them to come and come many, many times to enjoy the beauty of Oregon. But I also ask them, for heaven's sake, don't move here to live."


Intense delusion.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2080 on: September 04, 2024, 10:26:03 PM »
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Quite a sharp drop in Democratic voter enthusiasm in this month’s YouGov poll. (It was 70% last month.)

The honeymoon period is officially over.

https://x.com/FrankLuntz/status/1831385476474995181

Political Polls
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Republicans took back a narrow lead on enthusiasm

🔴 Republicans 60%
🔵 Democrats 59%

YouGov



https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1831381968925421946

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2081 on: September 04, 2024, 10:27:07 PM »
Trump and Harris campaigns agree to rules for ABC debate
Both sides initially agreed to a debate on Sept. 10, but Trump later threatened to back out, and Harris sought to change one of the ground rules.
Sept. 4, 2024
By Kelly O'Donnell, Yamiche Alcindor, Gabe Gutierrez and Dareh Gregorian
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-harris-campaigns-agree-rules-abc-debate-rcna168683

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2082 on: September 05, 2024, 12:06:32 AM »
Trump and Harris campaigns agree to rules for ABC debate
Both sides initially agreed to a debate on Sept. 10, but Trump later threatened to back out, and Harris sought to change one of the ground rules.
Sept. 4, 2024
By Kelly O'Donnell, Yamiche Alcindor, Gabe Gutierrez and Dareh Gregorian
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-harris-campaigns-agree-rules-abc-debate-rcna168683
Must see TV.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2083 on: September 05, 2024, 10:18:25 AM »
Trump and Harris campaigns agree to rules for ABC debate
Both sides initially agreed to a debate on Sept. 10, but Trump later threatened to back out, and Harris sought to change one of the ground rules.
Sept. 4, 2024
By Kelly O'Donnell, Yamiche Alcindor, Gabe Gutierrez and Dareh Gregorian
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-harris-campaigns-agree-rules-abc-debate-rcna168683


Why not 9/11? Cue black swan event 9/9...  :D

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2084 on: September 05, 2024, 11:54:01 AM »
Oh, is this the reason he cannot be bothered submitting something about himself for the voter's pamphlet? So, I guess this is the same as his saying 'screw you' to the approximately 43% of folks in Oregon who vote Republican. Perhaps this explains why in 2004 it was 46% while in 2020 it was only 40%.

What this tells us is that the Trump campaign was just not organized enough to make the deadline.

But maybe you are right about one thing Oregon is not considered a battleground state so why bother campaigning here when you are sure to lose an election. ::)

Here are some pros and cons regarding living in Oregon:
Pro: Vibrant outdoor activities
Con: Weather variability (lots of rain)
Pro: Eco-friendly living
Con: High income tax rates
Pro: Rich cultural scene
Pro: Active lifestyle
Con: Seasonal allergies
Pro: Diverse culinary scene (known for excellent cuisine)
Con: Traffic congestion (urban areas only)
Pro: No sales tax (not only a savings in cost but in hassle of calculating how much you have to pay for everything).
Con: Limited job opportunities

It is all good though because I whole heartedly agree with what Tom McCall said in 1971
Former Governor Tom McCall's Message to Visitors
"Come visit, don't stay" slogan: "I urge them to come and come many, many times to enjoy the beauty of Oregon. But I also ask them, for heaven's sake, don't move here to live."
My brother went to chiropractic college there. He said you have three nice months there and the rest of the year is shit. Now add the Lib population there and yeah I would not step foot into Oregon l.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2085 on: September 05, 2024, 01:11:46 PM »


This is fucking stupid.

He was invited by the Gold Star families, he was reported as nothing but respectful and consoling, and the Gold Star families were ignored by the Biden admin, including Harris.

There's a reason the families made videos to support Trump here.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2086 on: September 05, 2024, 01:34:39 PM »
This is fucking stupid.

He was invited by the Gold Star families, he was reported as nothing but respectful and consoling, and the Gold Star families were ignored by the Biden admin, including Harris.

There's a reason the families made videos to support Trump here.


Those videos by all the families speak all.  Liberals can all fng kill themselves at this point to not accept that families
All said they invited both Biden Kamala and Trump and only Trump
Showed up. 



Liberals are fng dirtbags and liars and scum.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2087 on: September 05, 2024, 01:40:59 PM »
My brother went to chiropractic college there. He said you have three nice months there and the rest of the year is shit. Now add the Lib population there and yeah I would not step foot into Oregon l.

Not too long ago we had great summer weather months when the average temperature was in the low 80's with minimal rain in Western Oregon. Climate warming has raised the temperature and the number of hot weather months. The predicted high for today is 102°. Today is not the first time this summer the temperature got this hot.
 
Eastern and Southern Oregon have very different climates. Also, the coast is usually cooler than the Willamette Valley.
 
My wife and I moved to Portland, OR in April in the early 70's from West Hollywood, CA. The last leg of our trip was driving in from Lincoln City to Portland on Hwy 18 which passes through wine country that is just as beautiful as the landscape in Burgundy France. I remember that once we hit the Willamette Valley, the weather was absolutely perfect all the way to Portland.



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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2088 on: September 05, 2024, 01:42:11 PM »

Those videos by all the families speak all.  Liberals can all fng kill themselves at this point to not accept that families
All said they invited both Biden Kamala and Trump and only Trump
Showed up. 



Liberals are fng dirtbags and liars and scum.

Read some cunt on twitter ranting about how Trump "dragged gold star families to this".

These people are completely manipulated.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2089 on: September 05, 2024, 02:39:13 PM »
Trump speaking at The Economic Club of New York today. Can someone here please explain to me what the heck Trump is saying. Thanks.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1831753100446589285





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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2090 on: September 05, 2024, 09:20:20 PM »
WSJ Analysis: Kamala Harris Fails to Erase Donald Trump’s Gains Among Black, Latino, Young Voters
Wendell Husebø
4 Sep 2024

Vice President Kamala Harris remains unable to claw back former President Donald Trump’s inroads among black, Latino, and young voters, a Wall Street Journal analysis found Tuesday.

The analysis is significant because the Democrat Party hoped President Joe Biden’s decision to step aside for Harris would restore key voting blocs in favor of its nominee.

Black, Latino, and young voters are historically key voting blocs for Democrats and key segments of the populations that often decide presidential elections in swing states. Biden’s Electoral College victory rested on just 44,000 votes across three states.

Harris is far behind Biden’s 2020 surveys, as Trump’s gains largely remain intact, the Journal analysis showed based on percentage points:

Young voters (under 30): Harris underperforming 2020 Biden by 12
Black voters: Harris underperforming 2020 Biden by 10
Latino voters: Harris underperforming 2020 Biden by 6
Male voters: Harris underperforming 2020 Biden by 4
Female voters: Harris underperforming 2020 Biden by 2

The Journal attributed Trump’s staying power to support among men:

One reason Harris hasn’t closed the gap among these voter groups is that many men find Trump more appealing now than four years ago. He is winning 20% of [b ]lack men in the Journal’s two most recent polls, far higher than his 12% share in 2020. And Trump is essentially tied with Harris among Latino men, drawing 47% support compared with Harris’s 48%. Analysts have suggested a mix of reasons for the shift, among them the relative importance men and women place on abortion rights, as well as differing views on the economy and on Trump’s assertive persona.

Among voters of all races, Harris lags behind Biden’s 2020 national support a bit more among men than among women.

If Harris can’t match her party’s 2020 showing among these groups, where might she make up the votes? Many analysts say she can look to white voters, especially among women responding to her promises to work to restore access to abortion. If they are right, the first [b ]lack female president could have a winning coalition that relies more on white voters, and less on those from minority groups, than did the white man elected just before her.

“That’s where the trends are heading,’’ Republican pollster Greg Strimple told the Journal. “That’s what I think is happening.”

The Journal based its analysis on Associated Press VoteCast, which polled (2024 voter preferences) 2,500 registered voters from July 23-25 and August 24-28. The survey’s margin of error is ± two percentage points.

https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/09/04/wsj-analysis-kamala-harris-fails-to-erase-donald-trumps-gains-among-black-latino-young-voters/

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2091 on: September 06, 2024, 02:17:46 PM »
Here is what the RINO Liz Cheney said about the most liberal member of the Senate, who she is now going to vote for:

Liz Cheney
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Kamala Harris is a radical liberal who would raise taxes, take away guns & health insurance, and explode the size and power of the federal gov’t. She wants to recreate America in the image of what’s happening on the streets of Portland & Seattle. We won’t give her the chance.
12:17 PM · Aug 11, 2020

https://x.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1293310682654416896

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2092 on: September 06, 2024, 02:19:32 PM »
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The Trump-Vance ticket has done a combined 38 interviews since August 6th, compared to only 1 for Harris-Walz.

This could end up being like Trump holding 106 campaign rallies while Hillary Clinton held 71 in the final 70 days of the 2016 race.

https://x.com/FrankLuntz/status/1831735848213344725

Trump-Vance ticket has done combined 39 interviews since last month compared to only six for Harris-Walz
Harris taped two more interviews this week
Brian Flood By Brian Flood , David Rutz Fox News
Published September 3, 2024

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-vance-ticket-has-done-combined-interviews-compared-only-one-harris-walz

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2093 on: September 06, 2024, 02:21:04 PM »
A Democrat who gets it.

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One interview. One debate. Some rah rah stump speech you read over and over.  And voila you have a 50 per cent chance of being president.

Good gig if you can get it. No 3 debates. No 2 years of primaries, coalition building, no  detailed policy development, and no daily press briefings. Or tests of leadership.

It’s only the most important job in the world with a $6 trillion budget and thousands of nuclear weapons.

The right thing would be 3 debates, real detailed policy briefings, and full availability to answer questions so the electorate could vote on an informed basis. That’s what real democracy demands.
9:40 AM · Sep 4, 2024

https://x.com/Mark_Penn/status/1831416975312278015

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2094 on: September 06, 2024, 07:25:17 PM »
Seeing this I thought of three things:

1.  I forgot he was still alive.

2.  I remember when he was VP that someone made a website called isdickcheneydeadyet.com. Pretty funny.

3.  Not a single Republican, conservative, independent, or Democrat is going to switch their vote to Harris because of this.

The former vice president has called Donald Trump the greatest threat to the American republic in history.

By Lydia O'Connor
Sep 6, 2024
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dick-cheney-voting-kamala-harris_n_66db4cf4e4b07b62af62c35a?v5p

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2095 on: September 07, 2024, 01:13:36 AM »
Seeing this I thought of three things:

1.  I forgot he was still alive.

2.  I remember when he was VP that someone made a website called isdickcheneydeadyet.com. Pretty funny.

3.  Not a single Republican, conservative, independent, or Democrat is going to switch their vote to Harris because of this.

The former vice president has called Donald Trump the greatest threat to the American republic in history.

By Lydia O'Connor
Sep 6, 2024
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dick-cheney-voting-kamala-harris_n_66db4cf4e4b07b62af62c35a?v5p

A war criminal like Dick Cheney endorsing your opponent is one of the best gifts you can get.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2096 on: September 08, 2024, 01:49:20 PM »
What is Delirious Don talking about here ?


At the Economic Club of New York,september 5th , one member asked Donald Trump a very specific question about his policy priorities: “If you win in November, can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make child care affordable, and if so, what specific piece of legislation will you advance?”

 Trump replied

    "But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about, that—because, look, child care is child care. It’s, couldn’t—you know, there’s something … You have to have it. In this country, you have to have it.

    But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to, but they’ll get used to it very quickly. And it’s not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country.

    Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including child care, that it’s gonna take care. We’re gonna have—I, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with, uh, the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country—because I have to stay with child care. I want to stay with child care, but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about, including growth.


    But growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just, uh, that I just told you about. We’re gonna be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it’s, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we’ll be taking in.

    We’re going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we’ll worry about the rest of the world. Let’s help other people. But we’re gonna take care of our country first. This is about America first. It’s about: Make America great again. We have to do it, because right now we’re a failing nation. So we’ll take care of it. Thank you. Very good question."

Clear as mud.  :)

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2097 on: September 08, 2024, 02:20:47 PM »
What is Delirious Don talking about here ?


At the Economic Club of New York,september 5th , one member asked Donald Trump a very specific question about his policy priorities: “If you win in November, can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make child care affordable, and if so, what specific piece of legislation will you advance?”

 Trump replied

    "But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about, that—because, look, child care is child care. It’s, couldn’t—you know, there’s something … You have to have it. In this country, you have to have it.

    But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to, but they’ll get used to it very quickly. And it’s not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country.

    Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including child care, that it’s gonna take care. We’re gonna have—I, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with, uh, the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country—because I have to stay with child care. I want to stay with child care, but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about, including growth.


    But growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just, uh, that I just told you about. We’re gonna be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it’s, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we’ll be taking in.

    We’re going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we’ll worry about the rest of the world. Let’s help other people. But we’re gonna take care of our country first. This is about America first. It’s about: Make America great again. We have to do it, because right now we’re a failing nation. So we’ll take care of it. Thank you. Very good question."

Its just so Funny seeing all you Dummycrat being wound up & reeled in by Donald over & over again,
You're completely blind to the fact that a lot of the time he's deliberately doing & saying things to
Antagonise you lot & you bite & scream & cry every single time.
Its so Fucking obvious only not to you dim witted lot.

Yes sure he says some daft thing - only Nowhere near as often as the Senile old Twat Biden
Has been saying for a few years now & you lot hang on to every last word he uttered,
& Now you've Miss Word Salad Dumbo & you're backing Her - Come on FFS she's incapable
of winning an argument with a 5yr old let alone answer off the cuff questions & you lot
Dame well fucking know it. 

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2098 on: September 08, 2024, 02:31:10 PM »
Seeing this I thought of three things:

1.  I forgot he was still alive.

2.  I remember when he was VP that someone made a website called isdickcheneydeadyet.com. Pretty funny.

3.  Not a single Republican, conservative, independent, or Democrat is going to switch their vote to Harris because of this.

The former vice president has called Donald Trump the greatest threat to the American republic in history.

By Lydia O'Connor
Sep 6, 2024
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dick-cheney-voting-kamala-harris_n_66db4cf4e4b07b62af62c35a?v5p


Can someone who may be left leaning and not totally biased, but has some sort of intelligence like agnostic or lurker, explain how Donald Trump is a threat to democracy. I understand the dude is abrasive and probably a shitty business man, but how does he threaten our democracy? ???

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2099 on: September 08, 2024, 03:21:15 PM »

Can someone who may be left leaning, but has some sort of intelligence and not totally biased like agnostic or lurker, explain how Donald Trump is a threat to democracy. I understand the dude is abrasive and probably a shitty business man, but how does he threaten our democracy? ???

He doesn't.  It's just a talking point.

The same folks say he's fascist, when there are REAL examples of fascism going on in the current admin - Twitter files, Berenson lawsuit, Biden Laptop, etc.....suppression of individuals and the control of the media are the basic  tenets of fascism.

In addition, and I've seen the smarter liberals agree with this, the left has also skirted democracy on multiple occasions = screwing over bernie, making deals for Pete/Klobuchar to drop out, fixing the primaries for Clinton, and the latest - forcing in a candidate that nobody voted for.
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