The 2024 General Election

[Moontrane]

https://www.newsmax.com/us/pollster-analysis-battleground/2024/09/09/id/1179606/?utm_source=nmapp&utm_medium=topnews

I forget the numbers, but wasn't Trump trailing Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020 by large margins at this point?  If he's tied or up now, could be a blow out.

[Primemuscle]

If Democrats fix elections, why didn't Hillary Clinton win the Presidency in 2016? Think about it.

[Grape Ape]

If Democrats fix elections, why didn't Hillary Clinton win the Presidency in 2016? Think about it.

Caught off guard.

The election of Trump changed everything.

But, to that timeframe, they rigged their own primary for Clinton over Bernie.

Then they rigged it for Biden over Bernie in 2020.

[Agnostic007]

You mean lose like he did in 2020?

Yes, Coach, I mean lose like he did in 2020. What a silly question

[Agnostic007]

Caught off guard.

The election of Trump changed everything.

But, to that timeframe, they rigged their own primary for Clinton over Bernie.

Then they rigged it for Biden over Bernie in 2020.

Slowly losing respect... I mean, you sounded like the reasonable one.. but

[loco]

[SOMEPARTS]

Slowly losing respect... I mean, you sounded like the reasonable one.. but

The lefty bad takes get worse the closer to Nov that we get.

[Soul Crusher]

Slowly losing respect... I mean, you sounded like the reasonable one.. but

you are the one off his rocker Fake Liberal Cop.   Grape is as sensible as they get - you are in the depths of TDS

[Grape Ape]

Slowly losing respect... I mean, you sounded like the reasonable one.. but

Honestly man, if these are the comments you bring to the table, I really don't care what you think.  Someone who just makes statements but doesn't back it up with anything tangible isn't worth my time.

On the flip side, if you want to have a civil discussion where you provide counters, I'm game.

The synopsis of the Democratic nomination process I posted was a summary provided by someone name Ryan Grim.  This is his bio:

Ryan W. Grim (born March 23, 1978)[1] is an American author and journalist. Grim was Washington, D.C. bureau chief for HuffPost and formerly the Washington, D.C. bureau chief for The Intercept.[2][3] In July 2024, Grim and The Intercept's co-founder Jeremy Scahill left The Intercept to co-found Drop Site News. He appears frequently on The Majority Report with Sam Seder[4][5] and was a contributor at The Young Turks. His writings have appeared in several publications, including Rolling Stone, The Washington Post, and Politico. He is the author of This Is Your Country on Drugs, We've Got People, and The Squad. He cofounded Strong Arm Press, an independent progressive publishing house.[6][7] Grim and The Federalist editor Emily Jashinsky were the regular Friday hosts of Rising. They resigned in September 2022 and joined Breaking Points, where they host Counterpoints on Wednesdays.

He is also a die hard liberal, and was speaking with another liberal, Krystal Ball, when they were doing a review of Harris' interview.  Krystal agreed.

So if these two bluenomatterwho liberals who follow politics for a living can agree that the Democrats rigged their own primaries, why can't you?  And what makes you so dismissive of anyone who agrees with them?

[Primemuscle]

Caught off guard.

The election of Trump changed everything.

But, to that timeframe, they rigged their own primary for Clinton over Bernie.

Then they rigged it for Biden over Bernie in 2020.

Hmm, The primary delegate point spread was considerable between Clinton 55.2% and Sanders 43.1% 2016 and between President Biden 68% and Sanders  27.9% in 2020. I am interested to know what solid evidence you have that either primary was rigged against Sanders.

[deadz]

Looking forward to Trump pouncing on Kuntmala tonight, will be a sight to see.

[Grape Ape]

Hmm, The primary delegate point spread was considerable between Clinton 55.2% and Sanders 43.1% 2016 and between President Biden 68% and Sanders  27.9% in 2020. I am interested to know what solid evidence you have that either primary was rigged against Sanders.

Did you read my post before this based on the reviews from Grim/Ball?  You obviously know how to google, but either way, it's widespread knowledge at this point about Donna Brazile giving HRC questions in advance, and that Mayor Pete and Klobuchar were incentivized to drop out before Super Tuesday so Biden could get the delegates needed to overtake Bernie.

Even f'n democrats don't question this.

[Dos Equis]

Sure to be one the questions asked by the debate moderators.   

Kamala Harris Supported Taxpayer-Funded Transgender Surgeries, Defunding ICE in 2019 ACLU Questionnaire
By David Zimmermann
September 9, 2024
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/kamala-harris-supported-taxpayer-funded-transgender-surgeries-defunding-ice-in-2019-aclu-questionnaire/

[Primemuscle]

Did you read my post before this based on the reviews from Grim/Ball?  You obviously know how to google, but either way, it's widespread knowledge at this point about Donna Brazile giving HRC questions in advance, and that Mayor Pete and Klobuchar were incentivized to drop out before Super Tuesday so Biden could get the delegates needed to overtake Bernie.

Even f'n democrats don't question this.

I am a democrat and I question this.

[Grape Ape]

I am a democrat and I question this.

So provide counters to what I posted.

[chaos]

Slowly losing respect... I mean, you sounded like the reasonable one.. but

LOL as if you have respect that anyone wants Mr unvaccinated republicans should die.

[Primemuscle]

So provide counters to what I posted.

Please explain why you believe a combined total of 20 delegate votes from Klobuchar and Buttigieg would have put Bernie Sander's delegate count ahead of President Biden's. By Super Tuesday, March 3, 2020, President Biden had a total of 114 delegate votes and Bernie Sanders had 68. So even if all 20 of Klobuchar and Buttigieg's votes went to Sanders, which would have been highly unlikely, he still would have been 46 votes short of President Biden's 114. Buttigieg dropped out on March 1, 2020. Klobuchar dropped out on March 2, 2020.



From what I read there was only one question about the contaminated drinking water in Flint Michigan which Donna Braziel may or may not have divulged to Clinton’s camp prior to the debate in Flint Michigan. A question that was sure to come up and should have been expected by both candidates. Although, Trump famously does not prepare for debates or news conferences so it is possible he would not have expected that question.

[Dos Equis]

lol

Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
NEW: Kamala Harris will have a miniature podium during tonight’s debate on ABC against Donald Trump.

The move was requested by Harris’ team who is afraid she will look tiny compared to Trump.

The smaller podium will make it so the candidates look the same size during the televised split screen.

As noted by Axios, Harris and Trump have one of the largest height differences among presidential nominees in United States history.

Trump is 6’3’’ while Harris is 5’4’’.

One Trump campaign official said the smaller podium “looks like the kids table” at Thanksgiving.

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1833615362845442208

[Dos Equis]

When is the vice presidential debate between Vance and Walz?  (1 October)
by Ashleigh Jackson - 09/10/24
https://thehill.com/homenews/4872286-when-is-the-vice-presidential-debate-between-vance-and-walz/

[Grape Ape]

Please explain why you believe a combined total of 20 delegate votes from Klobuchar and Buttigieg would have put Bernie Sander's delegate count ahead of President Biden's. By Super Tuesday, March 3, 2020, President Biden had a total of 114 delegate votes and Bernie Sanders had 68. So even if all 20 of Klobuchar and Buttigieg's votes went to Sanders, which would have been highly unlikely, he still would have been 46 votes short of President Biden's 114. Buttigieg dropped out on March 1, 2020. Klobuchar dropped out on March 2, 2020.



From what I read there was only one question about the contaminated drinking water in Flint Michigan which Donna Braziel may or may not have divulged to Clinton’s camp prior to the debate in Flint Michigan. A question that was sure to come up and should have been expected by both candidates. Although, Trump famously does not prepare for debates or news conferences so it is possible he would not have expected that question.

The 2016 Flint questions were for the Democratic debate, not with Trump I thought

Either way

2016:

Wasserman Schultz has been under pressure to resign as chair for months amid accusations that she had unfairly tilted the DNC against Sanders by packing the committee with Clinton-ites.

The DNC is theoretically meant to be a neutral base for Democratic candidates. The emails confirmed a widespread suspicion that it is anything but.

In one email, the DNC’s chief financial officer wonders whether launching a smear campaign against Sanders’ alleged atheism could hurt his chances in the southern state primaries. One communications aide wonders: “if there’s a good Bernie narrative for a story, which is that Bernie never ever had his act together, that his campaign was a mess.” In another email, Wasserman Schultz refers to Sanders’ campaign manager as “an ass.”

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D- Mass., says the 2016 Democratic presidential primary was rigged.

Warren’s statement came on the same day that Politico published a book excerpt from Donna Brazile, former interim acting chair of the Democratic National Committee, about her takeover of the committee and her promise to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders to investigate its nomination process.

Leaked emails from a Russian hack of a DNC server, made public by WikiLeaks in July 2016, suggested top Democratic officials, including ousted DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, favored Hillary Clinton over Sanders. Brazile also suggested that Clinton’s campaign was helping to finance the committee, which was facing large amounts of debt.

When asked by PBS NewsHour’s Judy Woodruff whether she thought the election was rigged, Warren said: “I think it was.”

“The process was rigged and now it is up to Democrats to build a new process, a process that really works and works for everyone,” Warren said, adding that .people need to have confidence in the integrity of the system.

“It’s got to have an outcome that really has the confidence of the people,” she said.

So the DNC chair resigns over hacked emails showing favor to Clinton, Senator Warren says it was rigged, and a slew of liberal political pundits say the same thing.

But you think it's all on the up and up?

[Moontrane]

lol

Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
NEW: Kamala Harris will have a miniature podium during tonight’s debate on ABC against Donald Trump.

The move was requested by Harris’ team who is afraid she will look tiny compared to Trump.

The smaller podium will make it so the candidates look the same size during the televised split screen.

As noted by Axios, Harris and Trump have one of the largest height differences among presidential nominees in United States history.

Trump is 6’3’’ while Harris is 5’4’’.

One Trump campaign official said the smaller podium “looks like the kids table” at Thanksgiving.

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1833615362845442208

Trump should grab the smaller lectern - just because. 

[Moontrane]

Wait - are they unmuting the mics?

[Dos Equis]

Trump v. Harris debate.

Stuck in a hotel.  Wanted to go see a movie to avoid what I predicted would be a train wreck.  Didn't like anything playing.  Stuck watching the train wreck instead.

My thoughts:

- The first question was the best question of the night:  are you better off today than four years ago.  Didn't get answered.

- Trump telling Harris that her policy positions on her website were simplistic and they are like "run spot run" made me laugh.

- Trump telling Harris he would send Harris a MAGA hat was mildly funny. 

- Trump let Harris bait him on a number of irrelevant, dumb issues.  He did a poor job of staying on message. 

- Harris just repeated memorized lines.  I was not impressed.

- Her abortion comments were just plain dumb.  After saying we need Roe v. Wade back, she said that in every state where abortion has come up for a vote in red and blue states the people have voted for freedom.  In other words, we don't need Roe v. Wade and Trump was right.  But she is not smart enough to understand it.

- Trump's line:  "I'm talking now.  Does that sound familiar" was a drop the mic laugh out loud moment. 

- The moderators were ridiculously biased.  Repeatedly tried to fact check Trump and help Harris.  Did not fact check Harris once.  Including Harris lying about "very fine people," police officers dying on January 6, "blood bath," etc.

- Trump saying Harris should wake Biden up and get him out of bed at 4 p.m. so he can close the border was pretty funny.

- A bunch of stupid friggin questions from the moderators.  Peaceful transfer of power, did you lose the election, what color is Kamala Harris, etc.  Who the heck cares about that crap?

- Trump responding to the threat to democracy claim from Harris by saying Biden got 14 millions votes and she got none . . . talk about to threat democracy . . . was pretty good.

- Trump saying "quiet please" when Harris tried to talk over him again made me laugh out loud.

- Trump talking about how weak Harris is as demonstrated by her meeting with Zelensky and Putin invading three days later was good.

- They brought up Afghanistan, asked Harris if she bears any responsibility for how it played out, let her skate on her answer, then dropped the topic like a bad habit.  Ridiculous. 

- The moderators didn't fact check Harris and Trump failed to clearly respond to Harris lying about supporting private health insurance and opposing gun confiscation. 
 
- Talking about climate change was a waste of my time.

- Overall, Harris and her histrionics when she was not speaking looked unprofessional and non-presidential.  She sounded like someone who memorized and the repeated her lines.  Trump is unscripted and speaks more like a non-politician, but he really whiffed overall on forcing her to respond to the issues that matter.  He did hit her on her fracking lies, but not well enough.  I didn't like what I saw. 

I want that two hours of my life back.  I should have gone to go see a lousy movie. 

[Dos Equis]

[Primemuscle]

The 2016 Flint questions were for the Democratic debate, not with Trump I thought

Either way

2016:


So the DNC chair resigns over hacked emails showing favor to Clinton, Senator Warren says it was rigged, and a slew of liberal political pundits say the same thing.

But you think it's all on the up and up?

I have no interest in what Elizabeth Warren had to say then or has to say now.

Having spent decades as a political activist for my union, interviewing a lot of candidates seeking endorsements, and campaigning for some. I know firsthand that there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes during any political campaign and I accept this because it is not going to change... it is the nature of the beast. Some folks make too much out of too little in an effort to make a point. I have no delusions about changing any of these folks’ minds.