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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2350 on: October 10, 2024, 03:26:43 PM »
Yeah.  I'm not trying to be rude to Prime, but my initial reaction when I read his post was to laugh out loud.   :)  I actually don't fault him for liking her. 

I've said the same thing about Harris.  If she is unable to answer questions without a friendly interviewer, there is no way she has what it takes to deal with foreign adversaries.  Her getting elected would be arguably the greatest long con in American political history.
She is UNABLE  to articulate effectively. How can her supporters stand behind this. I have never witnessed this level of stupidity in my entire life. Biden is a BOSS compared to her.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2351 on: October 10, 2024, 03:30:41 PM »
She is UNABLE  to articulate effectively. How can her supporters stand behind this. I have never witnessed this level of stupidity in my entire life. Biden is a BOSS compared to her.

And at this point it doesn't even surprise me.  We're talking about the same people who tried to tell us Biden was as sharp as ever the past four years. 

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2352 on: October 10, 2024, 03:54:52 PM »
“Our whole country will end up being like Detroit if she’s your president. You’re going to have a mess on your hands,” Mr Trump said in Detroit today

Or California.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2353 on: October 12, 2024, 12:04:35 AM »
It's a shame that this kind of logical analysis has become so uncommon. 

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A number of my good friends and family have been surprised about my decision to support
@realDonaldTrump for president.  They have been surprised because my political giving history has been mostly to Democrats, my voting registration has typically been Democrat (in NY, you must be registered to the party in order to vote in the primary, and usually the Republican candidate has no chance to win), and many of our philanthropic initiatives have supported issues that are consistent with Democratic priorities.

All of the above said, I have always considered myself to be a centrist and/or moderate, and I have voted for the candidate and supported the issues and policies that I believe are in the best interest of the country. Some have accused me of supporting Trump because doing so will somehow benefit me financially.  Fortunately, I do not need any financial benefits as I and my family have well more than we need. I have also committed to give away the substantial majority of my resources at or by the time I am no longer, so I don't consider personal financial benefits in the determination of whom I support for office. 

Some have suggested that I am supporting Trump because I am seeking a position in his administration. To be clear, I haven't been offered one and I wouldn't take a job in the administration (I love my job and it is the wrong time in my life to work in an administration).  I will, however, do everything else I can to help the president succeed in helping our country and its citizens.

All of the above said, I am an investor who manages funds that own some of the best, principally American, businesses in the world. In a better governed and managed America, these business will do better and increase in value faster.  One might therefore argue that being 'long' America is somehow a conflict, so I thought to disclose this potential 'conflict' here.

Some of my friends and family who support
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 are ok with my supporting Trump, but don't want me to attempt to convince others to support him.  Because I strongly believe that a Trump administration will be better for the country and the world than a Harris administration, I think it is important to share my thinking to the extent it helps others come to the right conclusion.

Three months ago, when I endorsed Trump on the day of the first assassination attempt, I promised to share my thinking about why I came to this conclusion in a future more detailed post.  I intend to do so in possibly more than one post, with the first, this one, explaining the actions and policies of the Biden/Harris administration and Democratic Party that were the catalysts for my losing total confidence in the administration and the Party.

To be clear, my decision to vote for Trump is not an endorsement of everything he has done or will do because he is an imperfect man.  Unlike a marriage or a business partnership where there are effectively unlimited alternatives, in this election, we have only two viable choices. Of the two, I believe that Trump is by far the superior candidate despite his flaws and mistakes he has made in the past.

As always, I welcome your feedback on how I could be wrong and on how the below actions and policies I outline below might actually have been good for America.  I have always believed that the best way to get to the truth is to hear the best arguments on all sides of an issue.

While the 33 actions I describe below are those of the Democratic Party and the Biden/Harris administration, they are also the actions and policies that unfortunately  our most aggressive adversaries would likely implement if they wanted to destroy America from within, and had the ability to take control of our leadership. 

These are the 33:

(1) open the borders to millions of immigrants who were not screened for their risk to the country, dumping them into communities where the new immigrants overwhelm existing communities and the infrastructure to support the new entrants, at the expense of the historic residents,

(2) introduce economic policies and massively increase spending without regard to their impact on inflation and the consequences for low-income Americans and the increase in our deficit and national debt,

(3) withdraw from Afghanistan, abandoning our local partners and the civilians who worked alongside us in an unprepared, overnight withdrawal that led to American casualties and destroyed the lives of Afghani women and girls for generations, against the strong advice of our military leadership, and thereafter not showing appropriate respect for their loss at a memorial ceremony in their honor,

(4) introduce thousands of new and unnecessary regulations in light of the existing regulatory regime that interfere with our businesses’ ability to compete, restraining the development of desperately needed housing, infrastructure, and energy production with the associated inflationary effects,

(5) modify the bail system so that violent criminals are released without bail,

(6) destroy our street retailers and communities and promote lawlessness by making shoplifting (except above large thresholds) no longer a criminal offense,

(7) limit and/or attempt to limit or ban fracking and LNG so that U.S. energy costs increase substantially and the U.S. loses its energy independence,

(8) promote DEI ideologies that award jobs, awards, and university admissions on the basis of race, sexual identity and gender criteria, and teach our students and citizens that the world can only be understood as an unfair battle between oppressors and the oppressed, where the oppressors are only successful due to structural racism or a rigged system and the oppressed are simply victims of an unfair system and world,

(9) educate our elementary children that gender is fluid, something to be chosen by a child, and promote hormone blockers and gender reassignment surgeries to our youth without regard to the longer-term consequences to their mental and physical health, and allow biological boys and men to compete in girls and women's sports, depriving girls and women of scholarships, awards, and other opportunities that they would have rightly earned otherwise,

(10) encourage and celebrate massive protests and riots that lead to the burning and destruction of local retail and business establishments while at the same time requiring schools to be shuttered because of the risk of Covid-19 spreading during large gatherings,

(11) encourage and celebrate anti-American and anti-Israel protests and flag burning on campuses around the country with no consequences for the protesters who violate laws or university codes and policies,

(12) allow antisemitism to explode with no serious efforts from the administration to quell this hatred,

(13) mandate vaccines that have not been adequately tested nor have their risks been properly considered compared with the potential benefits adjusted for the age and health of the individual, censoring the contrary advice of top scientists around the world,

(14) shut down free speech in media and on social media platforms that is inconsistent with government policies and objectives,

(15) use the U.S., state, and local legal systems to attack and attempt to jail, take off the campaign trail, and/or massively fine candidates for the presidency without regard to the merits or precedential issues of the case,

(16) seek to defund the police and promote anti-police rhetoric causing a loss of confidence in those who are charged with protecting us,

(17) use government funds to subsidize auto companies and internet providers with vastly more expensive, dated and/or lower-quality technology when greatly superior and cheaper alternatives are available from companies that are owned and/or managed by individuals not favored by the current administration,

(18) mandate in legislation and otherwise government solutions to problems when the private sector can do a vastly better, faster, and cheaper job,

(19) seek to ban gas-powered cars and stoves without regard to the economic and practical consequences of doing so,

(20) take no serious actions when 45 American citizens are killed by terrorists and 12 are taken hostage,

(21) hold back armaments and weaponry from our most important ally in the Middle East in the midst of their hostage negotiations, hostages who include American citizens who have now been held for more than one year,

(22) eliminate sanctions on one of our most dangerous enemies enabling them to generate $150 billion+ of cash reserves from oil sales, which they can then use to fund terrorist proxy organizations who attack us and our allies.  Exchange five American hostages held by Iran for five Iranians plus $6 billion of cash in the worst hostage negotiation in history setting a disastrous and dangerous precedent,

(23) remove known terrorist organizations from the terrorist list so we can provide aid to their people, and allow them to shoot rockets at U.S. assets and military bases with little if any military response from us,

(24) lie to the American people about the cognitive health of the president and accuse those who provide video evidence of his decline of sharing doctored videos and being right wing conspirators,

(25) do nothing about the deteriorating health of our citizens driven by the food industrial complex, the fraudulent USDA food pyramid, and the inclusion of ingredients in our food that are banned by other countries around the world which are more protective of their citizens,

(26) do nothing about the proliferation of new vaccines that are not properly analyzed for their risk versus the potential benefit for healthy children who are mandated to receive them,

(27) do nothing about the continued exemption from liability for the pharma industry that has led to a proliferation of mandatory vaccines for children without considering the potential cumulative effects of the now mandated 72-shot regime,

(28) convince our minority youth that they are victims of a rigged system and that the American dream is not available to them,

(29) fail to provide adequate Secret Service protection for alternative presidential candidates,

(30) litigate to prevent alternative candidates from getting on the ballot, and take other anti-competitive steps including threatening political consultants who wish to work for alternative candidates for the presidency, and limit the potential media access for other candidates by threatening the networks' future access to the administration and access to 'scoops' if they platform an alternative candidate,

(31) select the Democratic nominee for president in a backroom process by undisclosed party leaders without allowing Americans to choose between candidates in an open primary,

(32) choose an inferior candidate for the presidency when other much more qualified candidates are available and interested to serve,

(33) litigate to make it illegal for states to require proof of citizenship, voter ID, and/or residence in order to vote at a time when many Americans have lost confidence in the accuracy and trustworthiness of our voting system.

I welcome your thoughts.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2354 on: October 12, 2024, 02:27:57 PM »
It's funny to me that those who oppose Trump take him at his word when he's talking in generalities or using metaphors, but when he says things that would align with their beliefs, he's called a liar.

A couple examples.

Trump says he's "Going to be a dictator day one", and goes on to explain what he means is he's going to reverse a lot of Biden's policies immediately (just like Biden did to him).  The left "oh my gosh, he's going to be a dictator, use the military to lock down and arrest his adversaries, kill black lesbians (this was said on CNN), etc....

Trump says there will be a "bloodbath" in the auto industry if Biden is elected and allows US Cars to be built in Mexico without penalty.  The left "Trump is going to lead an armed revolt if not elected"

Conversely, Trump has said repeatedly, he's against Project 2025, it was written by extremists, and he has nothing to do with it.  The left "he's going to implement Project 2025"

Trump has said repeatedly he's not going to institute a federal ban on abortion, that it's up to the states, and he belives in the "3 exception rule" lile Regan.  The left "Trump will institute a federal abortion ban"

I am on the opposite side, and believe that Harris is closer to the end of Democracy than Trump would ever be.  My difference that I believe is that I can actually back it up with tangible things, while anything you post is theory about what you think will happen.

This administration has actively worked to censor individuals and control the media and information.  Read about the Berenson lawsuit.  Read the Twitter files already. This stuff actually happened and is fascism 101.  Please read it.

This admin let legitimate lawfare happen.  Read what happened in the Bragg case.  Learn how a misdemeanor with an expired statute of limitations was revived and somehow frankenstein'd into a "felony".  Read about how the DA ran on "getting Trump, the county selected, the judge, how someone from the DOJ was somehow "demoted" to go work on the DA's team, how the trial went in terms of revealing the charges, and how it will almost 100% be overturned.  This happened.

This admin also gaslighted the American public as to the health of our current President, criticized anyone who questioned about it, the forced him not to run because of it.  Then, a VP who was hired first and foremost due to her sex and color (the President's own words) gets APPOINTED (not elected) as the nominee to run. That is not democracy. To this day, nobody here or anywhere has been able to give a legitimate, comprehensive argument to justify why she'd make a good leader of our country.  It's really only "not Trump"

We will be just fine if Trump is elected, because we already have 4 years of what will happen when he was in office.  It wasn't the end of anything, except for the destruction of the veil of secrecy surrounding the bullshit the media, the gov't and big tech had for years.

But anyway, I'm game - tell me what you think will happen in a DJT second term that we "won't survive".
You put a lot of thought and effort into this post for Prime and the rest of the getlibs to just gloss over it and avoid it. I'd like to see one of them try to respond? Agnostic has been pretty lippy lately, maybe he'd like to take a shot?
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2355 on: October 12, 2024, 02:47:25 PM »
It's funny to me that those who oppose Trump take him at his word when he's talking in generalities or using metaphors, but when he says things that would align with their beliefs, he's called a liar.

A couple examples.

Trump says he's "Going to be a dictator day one", and goes on to explain what he means is he's going to reverse a lot of Biden's policies immediately (just like Biden did to him).  The left "oh my gosh, he's going to be a dictator, use the military to lock down and arrest his adversaries, kill black lesbians (this was said on CNN), etc....

Trump says there will be a "bloodbath" in the auto industry if Biden is elected and allows US Cars to be built in Mexico without penalty.  The left "Trump is going to lead an armed revolt if not elected"

Conversely, Trump has said repeatedly, he's against Project 2025, it was written by extremists, and he has nothing to do with it.  The left "he's going to implement Project 2025"

Trump has said repeatedly he's not going to institute a federal ban on abortion, that it's up to the states, and he belives in the "3 exception rule" lile Regan.  The left "Trump will institute a federal abortion ban"

I am on the opposite side, and believe that Harris is closer to the end of Democracy than Trump would ever be.  My difference that I believe is that I can actually back it up with tangible things, while anything you post is theory about what you think will happen.

This administration has actively worked to censor individuals and control the media and information.  Read about the Berenson lawsuit.  Read the Twitter files already. This stuff actually happened and is fascism 101.  Please read it.

This admin let legitimate lawfare happen.  Read what happened in the Bragg case.  Learn how a misdemeanor with an expired statute of limitations was revived and somehow frankenstein'd into a "felony".  Read about how the DA ran on "getting Trump, the county selected, the judge, how someone from the DOJ was somehow "demoted" to go work on the DA's team, how the trial went in terms of revealing the charges, and how it will almost 100% be overturned.  This happened.

This admin also gaslighted the American public as to the health of our current President, criticized anyone who questioned about it, the forced him not to run because of it.  Then, a VP who was hired first and foremost due to her sex and color (the President's own words) gets APPOINTED (not elected) as the nominee to run. That is not democracy. To this day, nobody here or anywhere has been able to give a legitimate, comprehensive argument to justify why she'd make a good leader of our country.  It's really only "not Trump"

We will be just fine if Trump is elected, because we already have 4 years of what will happen when he was in office.  It wasn't the end of anything, except for the destruction of the veil of secrecy surrounding the bullshit the media, the gov't and big tech had for years.

But anyway, I'm game - tell me what you think will happen in a DJT second term that we "won't survive".

I am game too. If Trump gets a second try, will 'he' survive it?

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2356 on: October 12, 2024, 04:12:43 PM »
I am game too. If Trump gets a second try, will 'he' survive it?

Vance will be presidend by early 2026
after Mr trump suffers   unexpected    cognitive decline
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2357 on: October 13, 2024, 12:52:56 AM »
Vance will be presidend by early 2026
after Mr trump suffers   unexpected    cognitive decline
We could do much worse.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2358 on: October 13, 2024, 06:54:20 AM »
Even democrats that dislike her will vote for her. Republicans just need to hope Trump shuts his mouth on the name calling, his base will vote for him no matter what, and gets some hype that defeats the hype Kamala has gotten. I’m not sure it matters as democrats are more likely to vote early and probably have already done so. I’d say the people that vote for her reluctantly hope that she enacts some of trumps policies he wants to implement such as immigration reform and fixing trade deficits.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2359 on: October 13, 2024, 07:25:49 AM »
Even democrats that dislike her will vote for her.
I've said this many times, the one thing democrats do is stick together no matter how fucky the situation or person they are supporting.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2360 on: October 13, 2024, 08:16:34 AM »
I've said this many times, the one thing democrats do is stick together no matter how fucky the situation or person they are supporting.

Exactly.

It's how a President can get impeached for sheer political purposes.

If the Rs did this, Biden would have been impeached as well.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2361 on: October 13, 2024, 10:40:16 AM »
I am game too. If Trump gets a second try, will 'he' survive it?

Yes.

Now can you answer the question?
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2362 on: October 13, 2024, 10:43:31 AM »
Prime gargles glory-hole groin gravy... The Pimlico Pickle Puffer, The West Linn Lolly-Licker...
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2363 on: October 13, 2024, 02:27:42 PM »
Yes.

Now can you answer the question?


He won’t give you a definitive answer, it’ll be some word salad that does nothing to counter anything you’ve said. I wish I knew how to put him on ignore because I’d do it.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2364 on: October 13, 2024, 02:30:21 PM »

He won’t give you a definitive answer, it’ll be some word salad that does nothing to counter anything you’ve said. I wish I knew how to put him on ignore because I’d do it.

Exactly- He either has immense trouble answering simple direct questions
or he's to scared as he'll have to be honest & cannot bring himself to do that.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2365 on: October 13, 2024, 02:30:32 PM »

He won’t give you a definitive answer, it’ll be some word salad that does nothing to counter anything you’ve said. I wish I knew how to put him on ignore because I’d do it.

eh, it's fine.  I really was just looking for someone to come with tangible things they think Trump will do that scares them or positives for Harris.  All I've seen is agnostic say he finds her "likeable".  Not sure how that translates to fixing the current problems.

Saw this sign today:  Replacing Biden with Harris is like shitting your pants then changing your shirt.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2366 on: October 13, 2024, 02:42:24 PM »
eh, it's fine.  I really was just looking for someone to come with tangible things they think Trump will do that scares them or positives for Harris.  All I've seen is agnostic say he finds her "likeable".  Not sure how that translates to fixing the current problems.

Saw this sign today:  Replacing Biden with Harris is like shitting your pants then changing your shirt.


Ha , I like that sign 🤣😂🤣  👊🏻

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2367 on: October 13, 2024, 03:34:31 PM »
Exactly.

It's how a President can get impeached for sheer political purposes.

If the Rs did this, Biden would have been impeached as well.

True, had House Republicans banded together as they did on the impeachment inquiry, they would have had enough votes to impeached Biden, they didn't and they knew they wouldn't. But like in Trump's case the Senate would not have upheld it.

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« Reply #2368 on: October 13, 2024, 03:47:02 PM »
True, had House Republicans banded together as they did on the impeachment inquiry, they would have had enough votes to impeached Biden, they didn't and they knew they wouldn't. But like in Trump's case the Senate would not have upheld it.

Agree on the Senate.

But the point is true - the Democrats banded together and put party over country, some Republicans would not fall in line to do the same thing. I don't think the R's reasons were necessarily noble, as I think it was mostly those in blue areas who worried about re-election, but they did not get in lockstep like the Democrats.

Pelosi has been very good at politicking her way towards getting what she wants.

While I would rather neither Trump nor Biden were ever impeached, if it happned to Biden, it was because they started it.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2369 on: October 13, 2024, 04:07:00 PM »
Agree on the Senate.

But the point is true - the Democrats banded together and put party over country, some Republicans would not fall in line to do the same thing. I don't think the R's reasons were necessarily noble, as I think it was mostly those in blue areas who worried about re-election, but they did not get in lockstep like the Democrats.

Pelosi has been very good at politicking her way towards getting what she wants.

While I would rather neither Trump nor Biden were ever impeached, if it happned to Biden, it was because they started it.

I assume by 'they' you mean House Democrats. So yeah, Democrats started it, and Republicans tried unsuccessfully to retaliate. If I were to guess, I believe the House knew the Senate would not uphold the Trump impeachments. So, the point of their proceeding was to put as much information out to the public about Trump's impeachable offenses as possible in hopes that it would as it apparently did keep him from being reelected in 2020 and hopefully in 2024.

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2370 on: October 13, 2024, 04:56:50 PM »
I assume by 'they' you mean House Democrats. So yeah, Democrats started it, and Republicans tried unsuccessfully to retaliate. If I were to guess, I believe the House knew the Senate would not uphold the Trump impeachments. So, the point of their proceeding was to put as much information out to the public about Trump's impeachable offenses as possible in hopes that it would as it apparently did keep him from being reelected in 2020 and hopefully in 2024.

It went against what impeachment was originally designed for.

It was not supposed to be to try to remove a President because you don't like them, or to gain political talking points.  Pelosi did know the Senate would not uphold it, and originally resisted it.  For some reason she caved, but when she did, she whipped up the votes no problem, because the left gets in line, which was the original point.
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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2371 on: October 13, 2024, 05:22:16 PM »
It went against what impeachment was originally designed for.

It was not supposed to be to try to remove a President because you don't like them, or to gain political talking points.  Pelosi did know the Senate would not uphold it, and originally resisted it.  For some reason she caved, but when she did, she whipped up the votes no problem, because the left gets in line, which was the original point.

Right, it is not what impeachment was originally intended for, but it is how it has been used lately. If Trump had won the 2020 election, do you suppose the House would have impeached Trump for a second time? That's a toss up because had Trump won the election, I believe Republicans would have had a one person majority in the Senate. Clinton was already in his second term as was Andrew Jackson. Interestingly the only failed House impeachment that I know of is when they entertained but abandoned Biden's impeachment. One wonders, had Biden continued as the presumptive nominee, would their failed attempt have hurt his chances of being elected. -Guess this is something we will never know. 

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2372 on: October 13, 2024, 09:27:32 PM »

Ha , I like that sign 🤣😂🤣  👊🏻

Prime & Agnostic007 are lost causes at the moment Neither will enter into
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I don’t think you’re being honest. I think you are cherry picking answers and ignoring those you don’t agree with or worse, can’t attack

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2373 on: October 13, 2024, 09:32:24 PM »
Agree on the Senate.

But the point is true - the Democrats banded together and put party over country, some Republicans would not fall in line to do the same thing. I don't think the R's reasons were necessarily noble, as I think it was mostly those in blue areas who worried about re-election, but they did not get in lockstep like the Democrats.

Pelosi has been very good at politicking her way towards getting what she wants.

While I would rather neither Trump nor Biden were ever impeached, if it happned to Biden, it was because they started it.

Here’s the problem. Trump DID try and get a foreign president to PUBLICLY investigate his opponent. To do so he implied he would withhold funding. If THATS not impeachable frankly I don’t know what is. It was horrific and the impeachment passed with enough votes. Were ALL the votes Democratic? No.. his treason was to the point 10 Republicans crossed the line to support the charge. That SHOULD tell your something about how bad it was, but something tells me it won’t

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Re: The 2024 General Election
« Reply #2374 on: October 13, 2024, 09:40:16 PM »
Here’s the problem. Trump DID try and get a foreign president to PUBLICLY investigate his opponent. To do so he implied he would withhold funding. If THATS not impeachable frankly I don’t know what is. It was horrific and the impeachment passed with enough votes. Were ALL the votes Democratic? No.. his treason was to the point 10 Republicans crossed the line to support the charge. That SHOULD tell your something about how bad it was, but something tells me it won’t

It was easy to see this from the get go:

If you disliked Trump, you see it as him trying to get info on an opponent

If you like Trump, you see it as him trying to investigate corruption

Therefore, it was on the Deomcrats to prove intent beyond doubt, and they failed. It was all hersay.

But I don’t expect you to be onjective based on your response. You see it as fact through your lens.

But, given all the evidence around Biden and his family, seems Trump was onto something.
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