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Will you no longer own your home?
« on: March 19, 2023, 10:00:38 AM »
This topic is being brought up for discussion/debate, but by no means is this a call to action or anything like that. I am curious to see what thoughts Getbiggers have on the current state of economic/financial affairs here in the USA.

As of the last few days, we have started to hear about a possible defaulting of over 200 regional banks throughout the USA. There are new reports showing that the FDIC has even started to seize banks in many major cities as of this past week.

Mortgages that most people get from bigger banks are typically sold off over time to smaller banks that assume the risks and benefits of buying off these debts. If you own a home that is serviced by a smaller bank and the FDIC soon takes over your regional bank, will your home soon be owned by the FDIC (i.e. the government)? If so, this nationalization of US banks is setting the stage for socialism. Part of the American dream is "owning a home", but how much of a home do you own if you're simply renting it from the government and proving them monthly payments towards your principal, interests and property taxes?

If something like this is at play, are we becoming a more socially liberal form of China? I am curious as to what your thoughts are, as I am also trying to wrap my head around what all of this could mean in the coming days to weeks.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2023, 10:43:13 AM »
No mortgage or debt, no worries.   8)

Sure, eventually they will tax people out of their property but betting I'll be dead and gone by then. Plenty of wealth in this country for several cycles of lowered living standards as the population ages. This country is a salvage operation to the people in power. They don't worry about precedence or law because they know we are being transformed into a piece of the globalist puzzle. It's not like those under say 35 are ever going to take over the reins, most don't want to own a place and maintain it and most don't have earning power to afford it anyway. Call them the subscription class....they are neo-peasants who are willing to work little in return for little. Most of them see virtue in being that way because they've been told over and over the country is racist, colonialist, etc. and needs knocked down a notch.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2023, 11:16:08 AM »
This topic is being brought up for discussion/debate, but by no means is this a call to action or anything like that. I am curious to see what thoughts Getbiggers have on the current state of economic/financial affairs here in the USA.

As of the last few days, we have started to hear about a possible defaulting of over 200 regional banks throughout the USA. There are new reports showing that the FDIC has even started to seize banks in many major cities as of this past week.

Mortgages that most people get from bigger banks are typically sold off over time to smaller banks that assume the risks and benefits of buying off these debts. If you own a home that is serviced by a smaller bank and the FDIC soon takes over your regional bank, will your home soon be owned by the FDIC (i.e. the government)? If so, this nationalization of US banks is setting the stage for socialism. Part of the American dream is "owning a home", but how much of a home do you own if you're simply renting it from the government and proving them monthly payments towards your principal, interests and property taxes?

If something like this is at play, are we becoming a more socially liberal form of China? I am curious as to what your thoughts are, as I am also trying to wrap my head around what all of this could mean in the coming days to weeks.

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No.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2023, 02:52:12 AM »
I think more bank failures are coming and there will be a bad recession, but I don't think the government will take over mortgages. I think they'll have some other mechanism in place for that.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2023, 04:17:24 AM »
No. 

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2023, 04:33:08 AM »
I think more bank failures are coming and there will be a bad recession, but I don't think the government will take over mortgages. I think they'll have some other mechanism in place for that.

Don't worry.  The economic circular flow model just requires another war from the military machine.  Ukraine vs Russia isn't scaled enough.  North Korea had over 200k volunteers.  US has epidemic levels of degeneracy and fatherless males ranging from 18-25. This is a fantastic time to reset a lost generation.  You just have to be willing to co-sign the meat grinder.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2023, 04:58:49 AM »
Rep, as I'm sure you probably know by now, the goal of the World Economic Forum is for people to own nothing and be happy. They want this by 2030. This includes homes. They want a nation of renters. This is why we see the rise of corporate landlords for houses. So no, you will not own your home.
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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2023, 05:05:31 AM »
There are too many banks.

Banks are like gas stations used to be...one on every corner.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2023, 08:50:10 AM »
There are too many banks.

Banks are like gas stations used to be...one on every corner.


Branch locations and companies are different things. There are too FEW banks. Small banks are being crushed by the top ten banks and their preferential treatment, which is bad for the consumer...which is all of us.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2023, 08:52:17 AM »
This topic is being brought up for discussion/debate, but by no means is this a call to action or anything like that. I am curious to see what thoughts Getbiggers have on the current state of economic/financial affairs here in the USA.

As of the last few days, we have started to hear about a possible defaulting of over 200 regional banks throughout the USA. There are new reports showing that the FDIC has even started to seize banks in many major cities as of this past week.

Mortgages that most people get from bigger banks are typically sold off over time to smaller banks that assume the risks and benefits of buying off these debts. If you own a home that is serviced by a smaller bank and the FDIC soon takes over your regional bank, will your home soon be owned by the FDIC (i.e. the government)? If so, this nationalization of US banks is setting the stage for socialism. Part of the American dream is "owning a home", but how much of a home do you own if you're simply renting it from the government and proving them monthly payments towards your principal, interests and property taxes?

If something like this is at play, are we becoming a more socially liberal form of China? I am curious as to what your thoughts are, as I am also trying to wrap my head around what all of this could mean in the coming days to weeks.

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The bank doesn’t own your home if it holds a mortgage on it why would the government own your home if it holds the bank?

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2023, 10:04:57 AM »
The bank doesn’t own your home if it holds a mortgage on it why would the government own your home if it holds the bank?

Interesting.  So if the banks collapse you own your house with no further payments?

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2023, 10:13:48 AM »
Bhank’s collapsing?

And what are regional bhanks?

MSM is silent on this topic

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2023, 11:17:40 AM »
Interesting.  So if the banks collapse you own your house with no further payments?

The mortgage is still a valid debt and you still owe the mortgage but holding a mortgage is not the same as owning someone’s home. You can not just sell the home or change the contractual payment due you don’t have any rights to the home you have rights to a mortgage payment only. The house is collateral but putting something up for collateral on a loan does not give the lender ownership of the asset. If I have a million dollar home and owe the bank 20k on a mortgage they don’t own my home bell if I owed 1.2m on the mortgage they still wouldn’t own the home. That is not how mortgages work.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2023, 11:25:24 AM »
Why doesn't Getbig start up a bank?

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2023, 01:36:18 PM »
The mortgage is still a valid debt and you still owe the mortgage but holding a mortgage is not the same as owning someone’s home. You can not just sell the home or change the contractual payment due you don’t have any rights to the home you have rights to a mortgage payment only. The house is collateral but putting something up for collateral on a loan does not give the lender ownership of the asset. If I have a million dollar home and owe the bank 20k on a mortgage they don’t own my home bell if I owed 1.2m on the mortgage they still wouldn’t own the home. That is not how mortgages work.

If you owe 20k on a mortgage could they repossess your racecars?

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2023, 01:44:43 PM »
Interesting.  So if the banks collapse you own your house with no further payments?

I do.

It's a big part of why I don't have big expenses.

But what happens if the government raises property taxes to extortionate levels?

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2023, 01:48:47 PM »
Will you have the $30,000-$100,000 every 10 years to retrofit your house in compliance with Climate Change Allegiance?

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2023, 02:37:11 PM »
The mortgage is still a valid debt and you still owe the mortgage but holding a mortgage is not the same as owning someone’s home. You can not just sell the home or change the contractual payment due you don’t have any rights to the home you have rights to a mortgage payment only. The house is collateral but putting something up for collateral on a loan does not give the lender ownership of the asset. If I have a million dollar home and owe the bank 20k on a mortgage they don’t own my home bell if I owed 1.2m on the mortgage they still wouldn’t own the home. That is not how mortgages work.

Bhanks is correct. 

That said, one’s ownership of property is always tenuous and far from guaranteed.. just try skipping your property tax payments for a few years and see what happens.  Or if there is infrastructure that the government wants to build and your house is in the way, etc etc

I’m just grateful I don’t have a landlord and that I’m not in an HOA.  The rest is out of my control so why stress about it

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2023, 05:13:04 PM »
The bank doesn’t own your home if it holds a mortgage on it why would the government own your home if it holds the bank?

You are the owner of that home......"as long as you meet the terms of that mortgage". When anyone purchases a home with a mortgage that the bank holds, even if you hold the deed to the property, the bank has every right to that home if you fail to make mortgage payments. The person that borrows the mortgage loan (i.e. the mortgagor) makes regular payments on the loan to the mortgagee (the lender) and agrees to a lien on the mortgaged property as collateral for the mortgagee. So sure, if that deed helps you sleep at night, then rest easy. But pray to the gods that you don't hit hard times or that a financial collapse (as what we're likely staring into right now) doesn't happen, because if it does, things will get dicey.

So, yes, if your name is on the deed, you technically own the home but with contingencies. Whereas, I like to think that when you own something it's fully yours, no contingencies. You own your underwear, no one can strip you of them if you stop paying off their cost over time. Those shit stains aren't anyone else's problem but yours. The moment you truly "own" a home is when you've either purchased it in full with no contingencies or have paid off the mortgage you hold on the home. Until your house is paid off completely, what you "own" is debt to a bank, debt that keeps you enslaved to their payments. Sure you rest easy at night because there's a piece of paper (deed) that suggests that you own the home, but that paper is only as valuable as your ability to pay back your lender. Reality is, in many ways you own equity in that home and as soon as you stop paying your lender, the home goes into the possession of the bank. House (homes) are the products (medium) banks use to have you buy into their products (loans). And even then in a broader sense you merely are renting the land from Uncle Sam and the moment you stop paying property taxes they can place a lien on the home and auction it off to recoup their money. Not to mention that by way of eminent domain, the government can seize your home at will if it finds it convenient to do so.

So, if all of these regional banks are taken over by the FDIC (i.e. the government) and inflation continues to worsen, unemployment rises and a recession hits, most of the mortgage borrowers will run into hard times and go bad on their mortgage payments which will result in the government owning the collateral (the homes).

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2023, 05:41:12 PM »
Rep, as I'm sure you probably know by now, the goal of the World Economic Forum is for people to own nothing and be happy. They want this by 2030. This includes homes. They want a nation of renters. This is why we see the rise of corporate landlords for houses. So no, you will not own your home.

Amen brother Wiggs. Crazy to see how well their agenda is playing out.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2023, 06:50:46 PM »
You are the owner of that home......"as long as you meet the terms of that mortgage". When anyone purchases a home with a mortgage that the bank holds, even if you hold the deed to the property, the bank has every right to that home if you fail to make mortgage payments. The person that borrows the mortgage loan (i.e. the mortgagor) makes regular payments on the loan to the mortgagee (the lender) and agrees to a lien on the mortgaged property as collateral for the mortgagee. So sure, if that deed helps you sleep at night, then rest easy. But pray to the gods that you don't hit hard times or that a financial collapse (as what we're likely staring into right now) doesn't happen, because if it does, things will get dicey.

So, yes, if your name is on the deed, you technically own the home but with contingencies. Whereas, I like to think that when you own something it's fully yours, no contingencies. You own your underwear, e the no one can strip you of them if you stop paying off their cost over time. Those shit stains aren't anyone else's problem but yours. The moment you truly "own" a home is when you've either purchased it in full with no contingencies or have paid off the mortgage you hold on the home. Until your house is paid off completely, what you "own" is debt to a bank, debt that keeps you enslaved to their payments. Sure you rest easy at night because there's a piece of paper (deed) that suggests that you own the home, but that paper is only as valuable as your ability to pay back your lender. Reality is, in many ways you own equity in that home and as soon as you stop paying your lender, the home goes into the possession of the bank. House (homes) are the products (medium) banks use to have you buy into their products (loans). And even then in a broader sense you merely are renting the land from Uncle Sam and the moment you stop paying property taxes they can place a lien on the home and auction it off to recoup their money. Not to mention that by way of eminent domain, the government can seize your home at will if it finds it convenient to do so.

So, if all of these regional banks are taken over by the FDIC (i.e. the government) and inflation continues to worsen, unemployment rises and a recession hits, most of the mortgage borrowers will run into hard times and go bad on their mortgage payments which will result in the government owning the collateral (the homes).

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There are never no contingencies on anything you have to pay property taxes every year long after you pay off your mortgage. The bank going broke doesn’t change your ability to pay the mortgage you going broke does whether the mortgage is held by a bank or the government but mortgage rates have been lower than investment rates for years. Taking a mortgage and putting your money elsewhere has been a smart play leverage and borrowing is not always a bad thing why do you think the government borrows because rates are 0 and China just funds our growth.

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2023, 07:03:58 PM »

Banks don't have to 'own' your mortgage - there are many other places that can own your mortgage.  We have had one mortgage moved around 3 times in 4 years in the past. 

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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2023, 12:53:48 AM »
Rep, as I'm sure you probably know by now, the goal of the World Economic Forum is for people to own nothing and be happy. They want this by 2030. This includes homes. They want a nation of renters. This is why we see the rise of corporate landlords for houses. So no, you will not own your home.
Unless you already own it free and clear.

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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2023, 03:47:50 AM »
Unless you already own it free and clear.

No. 1. They can manipulate property taxes. 2. They can enact climate change laws that would make it very expensive to own and many would be priced out and or smart meter your home into compliance.
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Re: Will you no longer own your home?
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2023, 04:50:02 AM »
I'm gonna get heat for this but

I feel like having a mortgage has been a good thing for me as currency devalues. If I'd known inflation and a labor crisis were on the way I probably would have borrowed more since the debt has shrunk relative to earnings.

I recognize that inflation is hurting a lot of people but it's working for me since I can bump my rates and I live spartan so I don't really feel the cost of living increase as much as civilized people do.

I don't want to pay my loan off 100% since it'll close out my redraw. I'd rather use it and savings to get something else, ideally when there's blood in the streets.


Imo the government isn't going to steal your house. They're just going to rape you softly with more inflation from their brrrrrr money machine since people would actually react to being more heavily taxed in the customary fashion.

The banking system is socialized, but it already was in 08. They're just avoiding the term bailout this time. Mostly I'm worried about foreign held US debt, Saudi dropping the petro dollar, and the world basically moving on. In what sense is the US an economic powerhouse anymore? It's weapons companies, financial services, and shopping malls. It's been gutted of everything that made it the envy of the world.