It's NEW PRE WORKOUT DAY!!!

[Van_Bilderass]

One of the best pre workouts ever was Craze. I think it was by a company called DS nutrition.  After a year or so of selling it they got into pretty big trouble- massive lawsuits maybe even some criminal charges? Because it had some crazy designer stimulant that was supposedly similar to meth. Sounds similar to dmaa but what really fucked them in the lawsuit is they never listed the ingredient on the label.

I used to work fro. 10 pm to 8 am. I'd hit the gym at 8pm and take this craze stuff. It was wild. It was really fucking wild. Id be like a machine throught the night shift and still be wired when I made it home by 9 am. I still don't know what the mystery stimulant was.

I don't remember what the ingredient was though google knows. The way the authorities got a whiff of it was a package of mystery powder was seized by customs in Korea or some shit. Then they found a designer stimulant previously not known and traced it to Craze.

I remember there was some other PWO or weight loss produuct that was marketed towards women mostly IIRC. It was yanked quickly because some consumers started hallucinating. It was again some strong designer stimulant.

Almost everyone thinks OTC products must be safer than some actual amphetamine. That is not necessarily the case at all.

[Gym Rat]

$70.00 for a PWO 

[ProudVirgin69]

These preworkouts are probably worse for your health than a moderate cycle. 

[Van_Bilderass]

Ridiculous

[beakdoctor]

All you need for a great workout is some form of beets. Beet powder, beet gummies or beet juice. Eating a regular beer I find to be the best. No jitteriness no angst just crazy blood pump.

Rob, what ammount is required? For example what is the dosing difference between powder, gummies vs. A whole beet?

About how long prior to a workout do you consume beets?

And have you noticed any other benefits aside from pump and vascularity?

* sorry for all the questions.  Im trying to be more heart conscious and cut back on the stimulants.  So im interested in trying this out.

[Van_Bilderass]

Rob, what ammount is required? For example what is the dosing difference between powder, gummies vs. A whole beet?

About how long prior to a workout do you consume beets?

And have you noticed any other benefits aside from pump and vascularity?

* sorry for all the questions.  Im trying to be more heart conscious and cut back on the stimulants.  So im interested in trying this out.

I think it dosage depends on the amount of nitrates you want to consume. There are supps with very high concentrations of nitrates like one spinach extract I was looking at called OxyStorm. Haven't tried any though.

Edit. I think pure nitrates can't be sold in many countries, I know it's illegal in my country. But they can't ban a spinach or beet "extract." That opens it up to mix in pure synthetic nitrates and still claim it's "natural." Nitrates can be dangerous if you are taking heart medication andI think they are supposed to have potential negative health consequences?

Subligual nitrate, just like the heart medication lol.

[pamith]

I only drink coffee while working out, srs

[GymnJuice]

I only drink coffee while working out, srs

Why don't you try drinking it before you work out bro?

[pamith]

Why don't you try drinking it before you work out bro?

It's not the same, the magic is to drink it while working out. A strong cup of coffee is all I need

[Rambone]

I only drink coffee while working out, srs

not natty

[pamith]

not natty

Bro...