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Re: If we don't stop A.I. right now, our futures are gone
« Reply #125 on: July 26, 2025, 11:43:49 PM »
The difference is that the computer technology including the internet expanded job and business opportunities. A local business owner or consultant now had the whole world as potential customers. AI is eliminating thousands of jobs as we speak. What careers are going to be created by AI?

Consulting industry will boom like crazy. IT will boom like crazy. Training will boom. Education will boom. Specialist areas will boom. Then productivity gains will lead to manual labour gains in construction to build out.

every tech change comes with “this will end all jobs”. History tells us saying that has 0% chance of being correct.

AI has been going for 12yrs. Why hasn’t everyone already lost their jobs already?

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« Reply #126 on: July 27, 2025, 12:01:28 AM »
Consulting industry will boom like crazy. IT will boom like crazy. Training will boom. Education will boom. Specialist areas will boom. Then productivity gains will lead to manual labour gains in construction to build out.

every tech change comes with “this will end all jobs”. History tells us saying that has 0% chance of being correct.

AI has been going for 12yrs. Why hasn’t everyone already lost their jobs already?
I don't know why you would think that. Consulting and education especially will crash to nothing.

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« Reply #127 on: July 27, 2025, 02:50:26 AM »
Consulting industry will boom like crazy. IT will boom like crazy. Training will boom. Education will boom. Specialist areas will boom. Then productivity gains will lead to manual labour gains in construction to build out.

every tech change comes with “this will end all jobs”. History tells us saying that has 0% chance of being correct.

AI has been going for 12yrs. Why hasn’t everyone already lost their jobs already?
I hope you are right about that. I suppose a lot of translators have already lost their jobs because of google translate and such, but I could be wrong.

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« Reply #128 on: July 27, 2025, 06:11:19 AM »
I don't know why you would think that. Consulting and education especially will crash to nothing.

Education needs to crash even without AI. It shouldn't cost $50k per year to teach 18-22 year olds.

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« Reply #129 on: July 27, 2025, 06:29:42 PM »
I don't know why you would think that. Consulting and education especially will crash to nothing.

Because I’m working with AI and at a senior level.

Why don’t you answer the question? AI has been going for 13yrs already so why hasn’t everyone already lost their jobs? Better yet we are at record low unemployment 😂

I hope you are right about that. I suppose a lot of translators have already lost their jobs because of google translate and such, but I could be wrong.

Average Joe thinks AI instantly works on everything but that isn’t the case. Business structure today cannot have AI dropped in.

tech is a multi decade rollout. Autonomous cars back in 2015 would end everything….. a decade later….. AI will end all jobs…. 13yrs later. Mobile phones will end all computers….45yrs later

As with all of history, we re-skill and re-tool as advancements are made. Some jobs today don’t even exist because AI isn’t up and running mass scale yet. Once it is, a whole lot of new jobs will be created.

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« Reply #130 on: July 27, 2025, 06:54:02 PM »
The economy is artificially stabilized and designed to maintain appearances. Many jobs today likely serve no real economic purpose—but they keep people busy and the system intact.

As AI advances, that illusion becomes harder to sustain. At some point, those in power will be forced to either radically restructure the economy or face a collapse in the workforce’s role altogether.

Gutting the system too fast would backfire on the very people who benefit from it, so for now, they preserve it. But long term? They may not have a choice.

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« Reply #131 on: July 27, 2025, 06:57:42 PM »
Consulting industry will boom like crazy. IT will boom like crazy. Training will boom. Education will boom. Specialist areas will boom. Then productivity gains will lead to manual labour gains in construction to build out.

every tech change comes with “this will end all jobs”. History tells us saying that has 0% chance of being correct.

AI has been going for 12yrs. Why hasn’t everyone already lost their jobs already?


Because it’s just now picking up momentum.

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« Reply #132 on: July 28, 2025, 12:16:13 AM »

Because it’s just now picking up momentum.

And my personal outline was Adoption - acceptance - adaptation

Adoption is the first phase and people are yet to accept it in the workplace as they fear for their jobs. The pushback is crazy right now.

So why is everyone acting as if we are at adaptation, the last phase where job losses and restructuring occur?

If we take 2020 as the starting point. It”s 10-15yrs until every business MUST have AI implementation and Agents as adoption peaks and it becomes acceptable by workers.

Hype is dopamine so I get you guys are horrified at an opposing view. But if I pressed you lot I’d bet you quickly shift from “we lose jobs to tomorrow” to “10yrs from now it’ll be AI driven” which aligns with me anyway.

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« Reply #133 on: July 28, 2025, 12:18:18 AM »
And my personal outline was Adoption - acceptance - adaptation

Adoption is the first phase and people are yet to accept it in the workplace as they fear for their jobs. The pushback is crazy right now.

So why is everyone acting as if we are at adaptation, the last phase where job losses and restructuring occur?

If we take 2020 as the starting point. It”s 10-15yrs until every business MUST have AI implementation and Agents as adoption peaks and it becomes acceptable by workers.

Hype is dopamine so I get you guys are horrified at an opposing view. But if I pressed you lot I’d bet you quickly shift from “we lose jobs to tomorrow” to “10yrs from now it’ll be AI driven” which aligns with me anyway.

2030+ is where we will actually see business begin to restructure and that in itself is a decade long process which takes us out to 20yrs+ ie multi decade rollout

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« Reply #134 on: July 28, 2025, 05:00:00 AM »
A new study from Microsoft outlines how artificial intelligence is starting to impact different types of jobs. Here are the Jobs that AI can likely replace.

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« Reply #135 on: July 28, 2025, 07:34:42 AM »
Because I’m working with AI and at a senior level.

Why don’t you answer the question? AI has been going for 13yrs already so why hasn’t everyone already lost their jobs? Better yet we are at record low unemployment 😂

Average Joe thinks AI instantly works on everything but that isn’t the case. Business structure today cannot have AI dropped in.

tech is a multi decade rollout. Autonomous cars back in 2015 would end everything….. a decade later….. AI will end all jobs…. 13yrs later. Mobile phones will end all computers….45yrs later

As with all of history, we re-skill and re-tool as advancements are made. Some jobs today don’t even exist because AI isn’t up and running mass scale yet. Once it is, a whole lot of new jobs will be created.
Jobs are being replaced everyday as we speak. Just look at how many journalists have already been replaced. As I said before those other inventions created more opportunities because it turned a local business into a global one. AI does just the opposite.

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« Reply #136 on: July 28, 2025, 08:01:10 AM »
The model going forward is that AI agents will do the work and humans will manage a couple of thousand agents.  For example a programmer would operate as a chief architect and thousands of AI agents would write and test the code. 

I think the best advice for anyone is to use all the AI models and become proficient at using them.  ChatGPT 5 is coming out in August and it's expected to be a significant leap forward.

It's interesting how different generations are using AI. 

Older generations are using it as a substitute for Google.  I'm guilty of that myself, and it just blows google out of the water.  Google is well aware of this and it's an existential threat.  Google make $100 billion in profit from search advertising and all the new AI companies are taking a huge bite out of that.  Notice Google added an AI mode on the search home page.

Younger generations are using AI for everything.  Any life decision, relationships, counselor. Girlfriend, boyfriend.  The number one use case is therapy and companionship.

 

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« Reply #137 on: July 28, 2025, 08:10:21 AM »
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« Reply #138 on: July 28, 2025, 08:19:03 AM »
Believe Mayday.
Which industries besides computer programming are expanding right now because of AI? Once AI grows and expands there won't even be a need for computer programmers anymore because AI will do it all.

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« Reply #139 on: July 28, 2025, 08:22:08 AM »
Which industries besides computer programming are expanding right now because of AI? Once AI grows and expands there won't even be a need for computer programmers anymore because AI will do it all.

I agree with you. I see two main scenarios:

1] Mass unemployment in the western countries. 20 - 40%. Will we accept this? Do we have a choice?

2] AI will create a lot of new jobs that we can't imagine yet. Who would have thought that facebook had so many employees now, if we were thinking about the future in year 2000?

I think scenario two is the most likely, but I think people will start working 30 hour weeks and I also think scenario 1 can happen.

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« Reply #140 on: July 28, 2025, 08:36:20 AM »
I agree with you. I see two main scenarios:

1] Mass unemployment in the western countries. 20 - 40%. Will we accept this? Do we have a choice?

2] AI will create a lot of new jobs that we can't imagine yet. Who would have thought that facebook had so many employees now, if we were thinking about the future in year 2000?

I think scenario two is the most likely, but I think people will start working 30 hour weeks and I also think scenario 1 can happen.
Good point but it's still comparing apples to oranges. The internet created so many jobs because of websites like Facebook had to hire employees to handle the volume of traffic. Those same employees will be eliminated because of AI.

In the medical field there will be fewer doctors needed, not more. Same with education, banking, finance, sales, accounting, etc, etc.

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« Reply #141 on: July 28, 2025, 08:44:36 AM »
Which industries besides computer programming are expanding right now because of AI? Once AI grows and expands there won't even be a need for computer programmers anymore because AI will do it all.

What industry do you work in?

There absolutely will be jr jobs eliminated in the beginning, but you still need to tell AI how/what to write.  And if you're not starting from scratch, you need folks who understand the architecture in legacy systems.

There may be a lull, but there will be a pivot and folks will still work.
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« Reply #142 on: July 28, 2025, 09:13:01 AM »
And my personal outline was Adoption - acceptance - adaptation

Adoption is the first phase and people are yet to accept it in the workplace as they fear for their jobs. The pushback is crazy right now.

So why is everyone acting as if we are at adaptation, the last phase where job losses and restructuring occur?

If we take 2020 as the starting point. It”s 10-15yrs until every business MUST have AI implementation and Agents as adoption peaks and it becomes acceptable by workers.

Hype is dopamine so I get you guys are horrified at an opposing view. But if I pressed you lot I’d bet you quickly shift from “we lose jobs to tomorrow” to “10yrs from now it’ll be AI driven” which aligns with me anyway.

You're thinking about this all wrong.  This is the approach of GM, Chrysler, IBM, Blackberry, Blockbuster, Tower Records, Atari, and Commodore took.  There are new Amazon's, Netflix, and Tesla's being started at this moment.  The companies that think they can plod along for 10 years are in for a rude awakening and likely extinction.  Look at what Amazon did to retail, or Netflix did to movies and television.  Entire industries are going to be flipped upside down.


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« Reply #143 on: July 28, 2025, 09:42:45 AM »
AI will bring unemployment to a level never seen in history. If you’re not prepared, which most of society is not, you will be severely impacted by what’s coming.
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« Reply #144 on: July 28, 2025, 09:49:56 AM »
The model going forward is that AI agents will do the work and humans will manage a couple of thousand agents.  For example a programmer would operate as a chief architect and thousands of AI agents would write and test the code. 

I think the best advice for anyone is to use all the AI models and become proficient at using them.  ChatGPT 5 is coming out in August and it's expected to be a significant leap forward.

It's interesting how different generations are using AI. 

Older generations are using it as a substitute for Google.  I'm guilty of that myself, and it just blows google out of the water.  Google is well aware of this and it's an existential threat.  Google make $100 billion in profit from search advertising and all the new AI companies are taking a huge bite out of that.  Notice Google added an AI mode on the search home page.

Younger generations are using AI for everything.  Any life decision, relationships, counselor. Girlfriend, boyfriend.  The number one use case is therapy and companionship.

 

Not one mention in that list of unplugging a stopped up toilet.

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« Reply #145 on: July 28, 2025, 09:52:46 AM »
The electric company changed my meter out last week for a new model that they can read remotely.

This just put the guy who used to walk from house to house reading meters out of a job.

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« Reply #146 on: July 28, 2025, 10:17:22 AM »
The electric company changed my meter out last week for a new model that they can read remotely.

This just put the guy who used to walk from house to house reading meters out of a job.

You know he was fired?
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« Reply #147 on: July 28, 2025, 11:38:52 AM »
I agree with you. I see two main scenarios:

1] Mass unemployment in the western countries. 20 - 40%. Will we accept this? Do we have a choice?

2] AI will create a lot of new jobs that we can't imagine yet. Who would have thought that facebook had so many employees now, if we were thinking about the future in year 2000?

I think scenario two is the most likely, but I think people will start working 30 hour weeks and I also think scenario 1 can happen.

I predict mass starvation and civil war

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« Reply #148 on: July 28, 2025, 12:33:34 PM »
I’m in construction, and while the field work will be along time before it’s replaced by AI/robots, the estimating and project management side can for sure be thinned out by AI. I’ve literally just started using it, and see its potential. I’d like to take class on it and figure out how to maximize it with data from jobs and how to use it on future jobs and estimates. I do that now, but reading specs and what not will be easier when I can throw a file to ChatGPT and say “read this for specs and keywords on how to handle XYZ”. Now I use search/ctrl F function and search by keywords but it will better when I need to get more detailed on certain things that may cause in a change of conditions further on. I’m cautiously excited, with the caution coming from all of the other things that could arise. Like Skynet.

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« Reply #149 on: July 28, 2025, 01:24:18 PM »
You know he was fired?

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