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Re: Liberal Anarchy
« Reply #75 on: January 02, 2026, 03:33:01 PM »
I'm not arguing with you.  I asked you questions.  You feel threatened by those questions.  It's ok.  I'm not attacking you or trying to convince you of anything.  I was actually trying to understand your thinking as an Oregon resident and how your view might differ from the business owner interviewed as part of the story.  But you can't even do that.  You can't even say whether you agree or disagree with crime stats from your own community. 

Walmart and other stores often don't trash the communities when they close locations.  For example, Walmart recently closed a location in downtown Honolulu.  Everyone knows it was because of shoplifting. 

Here is what Walmart said about the closure:

A company spokesperson said the decision to close the store was difficult but necessary after a thorough review process was conducted. The spokesperson did not identify a specific reason for the closure, but said several factors are considered, including historic and current financial performance.

https://www.kitv.com/news/business/walmart-store-in-downtown-honolulu-closing-in-april/article_fd2a9b04-c83f-11ed-89da-43bbf9638632.html

Here is what people in the know said about the closure:

“When you have a boarded up space, it brings in bad elements. Not only homeless, but drug problems, gangs -- it’s not a safe place,” said real estate expert Stephany Sofos.

Sofos also said the bad elements include shoplifters.

“There’s so much shoplifting, and the way the laws are written in Hawaii, that if you shoplift, you’re not going to go to jail, and so people are doing it,” she said.


https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/04/22/walmarts-closure-leaves-big-empty-box-downtown/

It's pretty naive to rely on public statements by Walmart and ignore statements by actual business owners and residents.

You wrote, “You feel threatened by those questions.” You don’t know what I feel; you may think you do, and you are mistaken. I am not threatened by your questions or anyone else’s.

I previously agreed that the Lents neighborhood has a high crime rate when I posted “…according to what I have read, the Lents neighborhood unfortunately, has a high crime rate.”

The Eastport Plaza Walmart shuttered the store in March 2023. The two-year-old video in the link from X you provided was posted on December 2025. Governor Greg Abbot lives in and is the governor of Texas. The Walmart being discussed is in Oregon, why not interview Tina Kotex, Oregon’s governor?

I assume the business owner from Darrel's Economy Mufflers was interviewed in 2023. He spoke about crime in general in the area. Darrell’s Mufflers opened in 1984. If he is the original owner, he has been there for 41 years. A lot has changed in the last 41 years in Lents, including a rise in crime.

 

Below is the Portland Police crime chart for East Portland in 2023 as shown in the video you linked. I agree with them. But I also have no way of knowing if they are accurate.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/55019170162_444971d8c8.jpg

While the information about the Walmart in Hawaii is interesting, it has little to do with the closed Portland Walmart and Portland crime rates.

I started working in retail in display and as a home furnishings coordinator when I was 18 years old . I worked at Meier & Frank for 20 years. Shoplifting was a problem in 1964 and is still a problem today. Meier & Frank’s security team had a large staff, some of whom were and still are friends. Shoplifting is not a new crime. The first documented shoplifting started to take place in 16th century London.
 
Shoplifting laws vary from state to state. In Oregon it is treated as theft, with penalties based on the value of stolen goods, ranging from a Class C misdemeanor for items under $100 (up to 30 days jail, ~$1,250 fine) to felonies for higher values (like $1,000+ being a Class B Felony). Charges involve concealing or removing merchandise without paying, and can result in jail time, fines, restitution, or civil lawsuits, with newer laws targeting organized retail theft with stricter penalties. Enforcement intensity varies by location.

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Re: Liberal Anarchy
« Reply #76 on: January 02, 2026, 04:08:39 PM »
Isn't it interesting that the manager of Defiant L's on X is not from the U.S.?

The X account Defiant L's is run by Rumen Naumovski, a national of North Macedonia.
Naumovski manages the account, which focuses primarily on American politics, from his home in North Macedonia. He has stated in an opinion piece for The Daily Wire that he has never set foot in the United States, despite running his media company, Raww Digital LLC (which operates Defiant L's and an affiliated account, Resist the Mainstream), via a Florida-registered entity.

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Re: Liberal Anarchy
« Reply #77 on: January 02, 2026, 04:25:46 PM »
You wrote, “You feel threatened by those questions.” You don’t know what I feel; you may think you do, and you are mistaken. I am not threatened by your questions or anyone else’s.

I previously agreed that the Lents neighborhood has a high crime rate when I posted “…according to what I have read, the Lents neighborhood unfortunately, has a high crime rate.”

The Eastport Plaza Walmart shuttered the store in March 2023. The two-year-old video in the link from X you provided was posted on December 2025. Governor Greg Abbot lives in and is the governor of Texas. The Walmart being discussed is in Oregon, why not interview Tina Kotex, Oregon’s governor?

I assume the business owner from Darrel's Economy Mufflers was interviewed in 2023. He spoke about crime in general in the area. Darrell’s Mufflers opened in 1984. If he is the original owner, he has been there for 41 years. A lot has changed in the last 41 years in Lents, including a rise in crime.

 

Below is the Portland Police crime chart for East Portland in 2023 as shown in the video you linked. I agree with them. But I also have no way of knowing if they are accurate.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/55019170162_444971d8c8.jpg

While the information about the Walmart in Hawaii is interesting, it has little to do with the closed Portland Walmart and Portland crime rates.

I started working in retail in display and as a home furnishings coordinator when I was 18 years old . I worked at Meier & Frank for 20 years. Shoplifting was a problem in 1964 and is still a problem today. Meier & Frank’s security team had a large staff, some of whom were and still are friends. Shoplifting is not a new crime. The first documented shoplifting started to take place in 16th century London.
 
Shoplifting laws vary from state to state. In Oregon it is treated as theft, with penalties based on the value of stolen goods, ranging from a Class C misdemeanor for items under $100 (up to 30 days jail, ~$1,250 fine) to felonies for higher values (like $1,000+ being a Class B Felony). Charges involve concealing or removing merchandise without paying, and can result in jail time, fines, restitution, or civil lawsuits, with newer laws targeting organized retail theft with stricter penalties. Enforcement intensity varies by location.

Thanks for providing your input on the Oregon crime stats.  That is exactly what I was asking for. 

Regarding shoplifting, there is a direct correlation between Soros-backed DAs refusing to enforce the law, states essentially allowing shoplifting and the destruction or departure of numerous businesses in numerous cities.  I posted a thread the other day from San Francisco showing what looks like an empty shopping mall. 

California businesses in particular have been hit the hardest. 

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Re: Liberal Anarchy
« Reply #78 on: January 02, 2026, 04:26:36 PM »
Isn't it interesting that the manager of Defiant L's on X is not from the U.S.?

The X account Defiant L's is run by Rumen Naumovski, a national of North Macedonia.
Naumovski manages the account, which focuses primarily on American politics, from his home in North Macedonia. He has stated in an opinion piece for The Daily Wire that he has never set foot in the United States, despite running his media company, Raww Digital LLC (which operates Defiant L's and an affiliated account, Resist the Mainstream), via a Florida-registered entity.

Mildly interesting. 

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Re: Liberal Anarchy
« Reply #79 on: January 08, 2026, 12:44:11 PM »
JONATHAN TURLEY: Minnesota Democrats choose 'rage politics' over sanity
Democrats in Minnesota have rushed to condemn ICE-involved death of Renee Nicole Good as 'murder' before investigation concludes
By Jonathan Turley Fox News
Published January 8, 2026
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/jonathan-turley-minnesota-democrats-choose-rush-rage-politics-over-sanity

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Re: Liberal Anarchy
« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2026, 02:24:43 PM »
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🚨 FAFO ALERT: After DAYS of obstructing ICE operations in Los Angeles, leftist agitator Maria Santay is CRYING ON CAMERA as agents finally move in to arrest her

These people think they’re IMMUNE

And this chick just learned she’s wrong the hard way.

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/2017684456186749019

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Re: Liberal Anarchy
« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2026, 02:25:26 PM »
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I'm getting second hand embarrassment watching this

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Re: Liberal Anarchy
« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2026, 02:25:57 PM »
Nick Sortor
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🚨 FAFO ALERT: After DAYS of obstructing ICE operations in Los Angeles, leftist agitator Maria Santay is CRYING ON CAMERA as agents finally move in to arrest her

These people think they’re IMMUNE

And this chick just learned she’s wrong the hard way.

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/2017684456186749019
Arrests aside I want to see lengthy convictions of this filth!
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Re: Liberal Anarchy
« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2026, 09:28:23 PM »
From the Seattle Police Department:

The Seattle Police Department understands the concern and anxiety created by reports of federal enforcement actions being taken in the city we all hold dear. The department stands by our core beliefs and affirms that we will follow our policies and Washington state law. We aim to be the voice of calm and reason in these confusing times.
The City of Seattle is a welcoming city and we abide by all state laws and regulations that prohibit the Seattle Police Department’s participation in immigration enforcement. To be clear, SPD has no role in federal civil immigration enforcement, which is solely the responsibility of the federal government.  While we have no authority over federal agents, we will document all incidents when we are notified through 911 and protect the rights of all people in our city.  We encourage people to call 911 or the non-emergency line at (206) 625-5011 whenever they see criminal or dangerous activity to help us keep Seattle a safe city for all who choose to live, work, and visit here.   
For information on immigration, resources, and upcoming “Know Your Rights” trainings, the City of Seattle has the Office of Immigrant and Refugee Affairs available.  In 2025, they launched the Rapid Response program to provide the resources, services, and plans needed to some of our most vulnerable communities. 
Please remember that not all information you see online is verified, including sightings or “confirmed” accounts of events. Use your best judgment when sharing information online. 

How SPD reacts to suspected ICE activity
The Seattle Police Department’s primary responsibility is the life safety of all people. If officers receive a 911 call, they will respond to the concerns. When Officers arrive, they first will ensure the scene is safe for everyone present, then provide medical aid to any victim(s) as soon as possible.
If SPD receives a 911 call, officers respond promptly to the call location. If officers, while proactively patrolling, observe a potential incident, they will notify Communications to initiate dispatch. In all such incidents, a supervisor will also respond with dispatched officers.
Officers are trained to utilize In-car and Body-Worn Video per manual section 16.090 – In-car and Body-Worn Video.
Officers attempt to contact the reporting party, utilizing a language line as needed to facilitate communication.
An officer will attempt to validate the status of the individuals appearing to be law enforcement by respectfully requesting official identification when safe and feasible and document the incident. 
A Patrol Supervisor will respond with officers to the scene and continue to monitor the incident until it is complete.

How SPD monitors and documents confirmed ICE activity
The Seattle Police Department has no way to track when or where federal law enforcement agencies are operating within the city.
If officers are alerted to suspected ICE activity, officers will document the incident in an incident report, preserving the anonymity of the parties involved, to include:
The initial reason for community concern.
All attempts to verify credentials.
Any agency contacts or verifications made through dispatch; and
The final disposition of the encounter. 
The Watch Commander notifies the chain of command who will then notify the Mayor’s Office.

How POET engages with and protects community members
During major protests, the department focuses on facilitating free speech and safety. SPD does not directly engage with individuals unless there is threat of harm to individuals and/or significant property damage. 
SPD recognizes that the visible appearance of officers/the actions of police officers can affect the demeanor and behavior of a crowd. SPD’s mission is to always de-escalate when safe and feasible , and as long as public order/safety is not compromised. 
Communication is key. SPD’s first step is communicating with organizers and crowd members through our Police Outreach Engagement Team (POET)teams. 
At any demonstration, planned or impromptu, POET officers show up to connect.
Their role is to help ensure folks can safely and effectively exercise their First Amendment rights.
They are specifically trained to speak with organizers and the community before protests, aiming for facilitation, not confrontation.
Members of Police Outreach and Engagement Team wear special uniforms specifically labeled “POET”
If you have an issue, please approach a POET officer and they will get you assistance.