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Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« on: June 17, 2023, 05:14:13 AM »
Reat TRT Brian, not a gram or two... Thats a cycle, not TRT...

https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/tip-long-term-trt-safe-and-healthy/

The German drug company Bayer just released a study on the effects of 11 years of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) on a large group of men and the results might make even the most needle-phobic among us want to drop trou.

The study found that men who received TRT not only got healthier in a lot of ways, but they also lived longer, too.

Granted, there were a couple of things about the study that deserve a little extra scrutiny. For one, the specific TRT drug they used for the duration of the study was Nebido, an injectable version of a comparatively little-known testosterone ester named testosterone undecanoate (TU). (BUT, "test is test" as they say).

This drug has some interesting pharmacodynamics that differentiate it from other testosterone esters, but I'll get into that later. More importantly, Bayer, who manufactures Nebido, paid for the study and just about everyone involved in the study including Axel, the guy whose job it was to keep track of whether to inject in the right butt cheek or the left butt cheek, was on their payroll.

Still, the results don't really seem to conflict with the results of smaller TRT studies so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Bottom line, the results appear to be good news for men.

Most studies also use gen-pop (AKA "Fat stinking kvnts") very unhealthy people...


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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2023, 06:03:17 AM »
I was on trt for 10 years and then got off for 2 years. I got back on 6 months ago and feel great.Wake up with a massive boner every morning.ok massive is subjective but by god it’s there. I feel so much better I didn’t even realize I felt bad until now.And yeah 100 mg a week not a hanky trt

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2023, 06:07:56 AM »
I was on trt for 10 years and then got off for 2 years. I got back on 6 months ago and feel great.Wake up with a massive boner every morning.ok massive is subjective but by god it’s there. I feel so much better I didn’t even realize I felt bad until now.And yeah 100 mg a week not a hanky trt

Hahaha “massive is subjective”. Glad to hear you are feeling great cook. Enjoy the massive boners.

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2023, 06:24:07 AM »
Hahaha “massive is subjective”. Glad to hear you are feeling great cook. Enjoy the massive boners.
haha thanks buddy

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2023, 07:19:49 AM »
I’ve been on it for 6 years I think. Started with the gel but hated it because my youngest was in diapers and I always felt like I’d get it on him while changing diapers. Got my PCP to give me injectable 100mg week of cyp and haven’t looked back. I started a little earlier than I think most do, but with the stress I deal with I believe it helped me greatly. Keeps me fit and sharp as well as gives me an “edge”.

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2023, 07:44:06 AM »
iIntradasting ...although Nebido is made by Bayer  :D


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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2023, 07:48:38 AM »
TRT was great but LH and FSH crashed and rendered the whole TRT thing useless for me



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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2023, 07:49:38 AM »
Hahaha “massive is subjective”. Glad to hear you are feeling great cook. Enjoy the massive boners.

Massive Cook with his Massive Cock
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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2023, 07:53:31 AM »
iIntradasting ...although Nebido is made by Bayer  :D


They do mention that on  the site, that the whole study was funded by Bayer...
But its only TRT, when kept in-range, and used by healthy people, I cannot see any way that it is unhealthy.
Unless of course people get sides like could happen with any drug, food, supplement, etc... Outlier's...

Plus bloodwork is done a few times a year to keep an eye on the basics...

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2023, 08:17:46 AM »
Depends whether you really have low T (only a small % of men are low T).

Most are on it for the same reason they took (and/or are also taking) illegal steroids, i.e. to have muscles and lift more weight.

You have guys in their 30s-50s on TRT. ::)

Rationalization at its finest.

Regarding the study, why would you believe a study funded by Bayer for its test drug and doubt a study by Pfizer for the Covid vax?

Well, you would if it fits in with your personal desire which is to take anabolic steroids guilt-free and perhaps paid by your health insurance.

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2023, 10:13:38 AM »
Depends whether you really have low T (only a small % of men are low T).

Most are on it for the same reason they took (and/or are also taking) illegal steroids, i.e. to have muscles and lift more weight.

You have guys in their 30s-50s on TRT. ::)

Rationalization at its finest.

Regarding the study, why would you believe a study funded by Bayer for its test drug and doubt a study by Pfizer for the Covid vax?

Well, you would if it fits in with your personal desire which is to take anabolic steroids guilt-free and perhaps paid by your health insurance.

Well it should be mentioned Bayer did not make a vaccine and Pfizer doesn’t offer trt (at least that I’m aware of) so it’s not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

Plus we know that Pfizer is run by satanist’s who want to enslave the world and Bayer is a publicly traded company looking out for the best interests of its shareholders and their customers.

So outside of that I get your point.

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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2023, 11:18:01 AM »
Well it should be mentioned Bayer did not make a vaccine and Pfizer doesn’t offer trt (at least that I’m aware of) so it’s not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

Plus we know that Pfizer is run by satanist’s who want to enslave the world and Bayer is a publicly traded company looking out for the best interests of its shareholders and their customers.

So outside of that I get your point.

Good point.

Also, Pfizer is an American company and Bayer is a German company.

Most antivaxxers are “far right” so they love Germany and Hitler and hate America.

No hypocrisy whatsoever!

🙂

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2023, 11:40:34 AM »
Well it should be mentioned Bayer did not make a vaccine and Pfizer doesn’t offer trt (at least that I’m aware of) so it’s not exactly an apples to apples comparison.


You lost me there, Dave.  ???

Each company makes a drug they support with their own study.  That's the comparison.


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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2023, 11:46:59 AM »
Depends whether you really have low T (only a small % of men are low T).

Most are on it for the same reason they took (and/or are also taking) illegal steroids, i.e. to have muscles and lift more weight.

You have guys in their 30s-50s on TRT. ::)

Rationalization at its finest.

Regarding the study, why would you believe a study funded by Bayer for its test drug and doubt a study by Pfizer for the Covid vax?

Well, you would if it fits in with your personal desire which is to take anabolic steroids guilt-free and perhaps paid by your health insurance.

In range TRT doesn't build any muscle or strength (for trained people) it probably does for the lame/untrained.
I gained zero muscle, strength while on "in-range" TRT (.5 cc) (700-800ng total or so) I was at 250 ng before going on, which is low.
Libido is better, waist tightened up a bit. But I also train very hard.

You'd be very surprised if you saw the test levels of 30-tr olds these days, very pathetic and low. 
Tons of people dont need it, but then its not real TRT, its cycling.

I  know youre anti-TRT, but if youve never used it, I think its hard to talk facts.

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2023, 11:53:49 AM »
1cc a week made hendos heart pop like a grape

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2023, 12:53:46 PM »
1cc a week made hendos heart pop like a grape

No being dehydrated caused his issue nothing to do with TRT also amazing how everyone just assumes I am on multiple grams of T lol

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2023, 12:55:23 PM »
No being dehydrated caused his issue nothing to do with TRT also amazing how everyone just assumes I am on multiple grams of T lol

how much do you run?

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2023, 12:58:54 PM »
how much do you run?

He can't be has titanium knees  ;D

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2023, 01:02:34 PM »
Prime is on 100mg a week and he’s healthier and hornier than ever

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2023, 01:05:28 PM »
In range TRT doesn't build any muscle or strength (for trained people) it probably does for the lame/untrained.
I gained zero muscle, strength while on "in-range" TRT (.5 cc) (700-800ng total or so) I was at 250 ng before going on, which is low.
Libido is better, waist tightened up a bit. But I also train very hard.

You'd be very surprised if you saw the test levels of 30-tr olds these days, very pathetic and low. 
Tons of people dont need it, but then its not real TRT, its cycling.

I  know youre anti-TRT, but if youve never used it, I think its hard to talk facts.

I'm not anti-trt if it is truly warranted.

I just don't like the bs with people who don't need it saying they do so they can get swole.

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2023, 01:07:30 PM »
There is TRT and there is Bhanky TRT.

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2023, 01:08:23 PM »
Prime is on 100mg a week and he’s healthier and hornier than ever

Has he been blowing up your inbox since you posted your torso pic?

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2023, 03:47:11 PM »
I'm not anti-trt if it is truly warranted.

I just don't like the bs with people who don't need it saying they do so they can get swole.

A lot of nattys jealous of the gains made by gear users.

Just console yourself with the fact that you don’t have to sweat effects or have your physique dependent on gear.

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2023, 03:58:26 PM »
TRT in conjunction with a healthy lifestyle is probably safe and maybe even life-extending.  Your average fatso American with a sedentary lifestyle and booze habit should not get on TRT. 

Just my opinion

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Re: Long-Term TRT – Safe and Healthy?
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2023, 04:05:01 PM »
No being dehydrated caused his issue nothing to do with TRT also amazing how everyone just assumes I am on multiple grams of T lol

 thanks dr.hank , great to know dehydration causes poor ejection ratio x muscular hypertrophy of the heart