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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #125 on: July 03, 2023, 03:07:57 PM »
Holy smokes.  You're all over the place.  I never said being wealthy qualifies someone for public office.  The issue is whether someone is wealthy before taking office or becomes wealthy as a result of taking office. 

Like Bernie Sanders, who would have never in a million (so to speak) years been a multimillionaire if he wasn't a U.S. Senator. 

Same with Joe Biden, who is a dishonest idiot.  He would have been broke if not for his public office and particularly becoming VP.  But you don't care about his family collecting bags of cash because you're a blind partisan.   

Trump, on other hand, was wealthy before taking office and became LESS wealthy after taking office.

How do these people become so wealthy while in office?  Is this all representatives on both sides who started no so wealthy then after a time became wealthy or is it slanted to one side?

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #126 on: July 03, 2023, 03:08:22 PM »
Pretty self explanatory isn't it? Government investigating government hasn't worked out in favor of the American people has it?

Doesn't seem like it.

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #127 on: July 03, 2023, 03:10:29 PM »
How do these people become so wealthy while in office?  Is this all representatives on both sides who started no so wealthy then after a time became wealthy or is it slanted to one side?

It's people like Nancy Pelosi.  Check her investment history.  It's remarkably prescient. 

And Maxine Waters.  How does that dummy become a multimillionaire??

A number of Republicans have done the same thing.  It's disgusting. 

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #128 on: July 03, 2023, 03:11:22 PM »
I'm not really talking about criminal convictions.  Like I mentioned, I seriously doubt anyone is convicted of anything. 

I disagree about using common sense and believing what you see.  Things usually are as they appear to be.  If something looks corrupt, it probably is.  And my belief is based on a number of facts:  20 LLCs, over $20M flowing through about 40 banks, to multiple Biden family members, where there is no actual business that provides a product or service, the WhatsApp messages from Hunter shaking down a Chinese company for millions, with about $5M coming in less than two weeks later.  None of this is conjecture.  These are facts. 

You're saying these facts will not lead to a criminal conviction.  I'm agreeing with you.  I'm saying these facts are overwhelming evidence of corruption.  [bTo conclude otherwise means you believe there is an innocent explanation for all of this.  I cannot think of one.

That's my frustration with all of this before and in the future.  Nothing gets done and nothing really changes.

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #129 on: July 03, 2023, 03:11:54 PM »
It's people like Nancy Pelosi.  Check her investment history.  It's remarkably prescient. 

And Maxine Waters.  How does that dummy become a multimillionaire??

A number of Republicans have done the same thing.  It's disgusting.

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #130 on: July 03, 2023, 04:35:27 PM »
Let's compare post history Tom. Again with the liberal "I'm rubber you're glue" statement. ::)

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #131 on: July 04, 2023, 08:01:54 AM »
That's my frustration with all of this before and in the future.  Nothing gets done and nothing really changes.
This is true. Until people come together and stand up we'll keep getting abused and turned against each other by our politicians and media. It's a controlled chaos and politicians have the controls.
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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #132 on: July 04, 2023, 07:08:45 PM »
Holy smokes.  You're all over the place.  I never said being wealthy qualifies someone for public office.  The issue is whether someone is wealthy before taking office or becomes wealthy as a result of taking office. 

Like Bernie Sanders, who would have never in a million (so to speak) years been a multimillionaire if he wasn't a U.S. Senator. 

Same with Joe Biden, who is a dishonest idiot.  He would have been broke if not for his public office and particularly becoming VP.  But you don't care about his family collecting bags of cash because you're a blind partisan.   

Trump, on other hand, was wealthy before taking office and became LESS wealthy after taking office.

It is not just me; politics and politicians are all over the place.

I would be more worried if politicians were not paid for their work.  What is more, to mount winning campaign especially these days, someone wanting to become a politician literally must raise millions and sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign contributions and given that, it is still a crap shoot because there is no guarantee they will win. If that were the case, who in their right mind would volunteer to run for political office? Oh wait, someone like Trump who some of believe is not in his right mind did... hmm.

Did you know that according to the FEC report Donald Trump laid out $94m in the last push for White House while Hillary Clinton spent $132m and cemented herself as biggest fundraiser. All that and she and those who contributed to her bid lost their bet. For investment verses chances of winning, Powerball probably has better odds.

In 2020 Biden’s campaign raised $169 billion while Trump’s campaign raised even more… $196 billion. Maybe the key is whoever raises the lesser amount in campaign contributions wins the race. LOL!

Look at the details involved in running for a congressional political office: https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/registering-candidate/house-senate-president-candidate-registration/#:~:text=An%20individual%20running%20for%20a,%245%2C000%20in%20contributions%20or%20expenditures.

This is an interesting rub; A political organization is subject to tax on its political organization’s taxable income. Generally, this tax is calculated by multiplying the political organization taxable income by the highest rate of tax specified in §11(b).
 
Trump's purported net worth last April was around $2.5 billion according to Forbes (Trump maintains it is high than this), while Biden's is around $9 million (net worth in billions is around $0.009 (billion dollars). Bernie Sanders, who you mentioned, is worth about $3 million, $1 million from his book sales. Rhetorical question: how many millions does it take to make a billion?

$9 million dollars is nothing to sneeze at, but it is not a huge amount either. Over the course of his tenure, Biden's salary increased from $42,500 per year in 1973 to $174,000 per year, according to the Senate's historical records. When he was elected Vice President in 2008, he got another raise, earning roughly $230,000 a year. According to last year's income tax return in April, the Bidens earned nearly $580,000. Their income is drawn from investment interest, pensions, annuities, distributions from retirement accounts and social security as well as a corporation that collects their book royalties. Yes, he is paid Social Security even though he makes a heck of a lot of money. When someone reaches full retirement age, their earnings no longer reduce their benefits... makes no difference who you are or how much you earn or are worth. Should I go back to work? Not on your life!

 

 

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #133 on: July 04, 2023, 09:42:13 PM »
I don't give a flying fuck.

If someone committed a crime, they need to account for it.  Whether that be prison time or not.  And it doesn't matter if it's a current or former president.   

They must go through the due process of law.  Quips, hearsay, or gaffs aren't enough.  There must be tangible evidence of a crime.  If Joe Biden did sell "a lot of state secrets" then it must be proven in a court of law.  Simply posting vid of him saying it is not enough. 

Whatever comes of the Trump charges, if he is found guilty, he needs to spend time in prison period. 

Our choices for president have sucked ass for many terms.  Our government is like a Jerry Springer show.

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #134 on: July 05, 2023, 05:43:01 AM »
Those state secrets are a much better investment than those silly nelly NFTs being sold.


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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #135 on: July 05, 2023, 06:50:48 AM »
Cart Biden and his coke out of the WH in a prison wheelchair and be done with it.

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #136 on: July 05, 2023, 10:52:14 AM »
It is not just me; politics and politicians are all over the place.

I would be more worried if politicians were not paid for their work.  What is more, to mount winning campaign especially these days, someone wanting to become a politician literally must raise millions and sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign contributions and given that, it is still a crap shoot because there is no guarantee they will win. If that were the case, who in their right mind would volunteer to run for political office? Oh wait, someone like Trump who some of believe is not in his right mind did... hmm.

Did you know that according to the FEC report Donald Trump laid out $94m in the last push for White House while Hillary Clinton spent $132m and cemented herself as biggest fundraiser. All that and she and those who contributed to her bid lost their bet. For investment verses chances of winning, Powerball probably has better odds.

In 2020 Biden’s campaign raised $169 billion while Trump’s campaign raised even more… $196 billion. Maybe the key is whoever raises the lesser amount in campaign contributions wins the race. LOL!

Look at the details involved in running for a congressional political office: https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/registering-candidate/house-senate-president-candidate-registration/#:~:text=An%20individual%20running%20for%20a,%245%2C000%20in%20contributions%20or%20expenditures.

This is an interesting rub; A political organization is subject to tax on its political organization’s taxable income. Generally, this tax is calculated by multiplying the political organization taxable income by the highest rate of tax specified in §11(b).
 
Trump's purported net worth last April was around $2.5 billion according to Forbes (Trump maintains it is high than this), while Biden's is around $9 million (net worth in billions is around $0.009 (billion dollars). Bernie Sanders, who you mentioned, is worth about $3 million, $1 million from his book sales. Rhetorical question: how many millions does it take to make a billion?

$9 million dollars is nothing to sneeze at, but it is not a huge amount either. Over the course of his tenure, Biden's salary increased from $42,500 per year in 1973 to $174,000 per year, according to the Senate's historical records. When he was elected Vice President in 2008, he got another raise, earning roughly $230,000 a year. According to last year's income tax return in April, the Bidens earned nearly $580,000. Their income is drawn from investment interest, pensions, annuities, distributions from retirement accounts and social security as well as a corporation that collects their book royalties. Yes, he is paid Social Security even though he makes a heck of a lot of money. When someone reaches full retirement age, their earnings no longer reduce their benefits... makes no difference who you are or how much you earn or are worth. Should I go back to work? Not on your life!

What was Trumps net worth before and after the presidency?

Also, Many of these elected politicians get $$$$ doors opened for them to speak at events, or write books because of being elected.

But as Beach Bum said, some on both sides abuse it and use it to amass wealth.

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #137 on: July 05, 2023, 10:53:05 AM »
Cart Biden and his coke out of the WH in a prison wheelchair and be done with it.

Coke at the white house is pretty alarming. 

They should have had cameras to help figure out who may have left it.

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The substance was found near the ground floor entrance to the West Wing, a person familiar with the matter said. The location is where staff-led tours of the White House pass through on their way into the building.

The substance was found near where guests are asked to leave their cell phones before proceeding into the West Wing.


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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #138 on: July 05, 2023, 11:34:36 AM »
Coke at the white house is pretty alarming. 

They should have had cameras to help figure out who may have left it.

I'm sure they don't want cameras filming 23 hours of senior moments a day.

I'm surprised they haven't blamed it on Kudlow yet.

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #139 on: July 05, 2023, 12:39:36 PM »
What was Trumps net worth before and after the presidency?

Also, Many of these elected politicians get $$$$ doors opened for them to speak at events, or write books because of being elected.

But as Beach Bum said, some on both sides abuse it and use it to amass wealth.

It is difficult to know what Trump's net worth was and is because he isn't necessarily forthcoming about it. Based on Trump's one-page financial statement in 2015, it was $8,737,540,000. However, according to Forbes it was 4.5 billion in 2016 and $2.1 billion in 2020.

In December 2021 Donald Trump is released his first book since leaving the White House, 'Our Journey Together' is a coffee table-style collection of more than 300 photographs from his presidency. In 2022 it had supposedly grossed $20 million. In April 2022 Trump bragged that Our Journey Together had sold out its initial run of 240,000 copies. In April 2023 his book 'Letters to Trump' was published. It sells for $90 on Amazon. This is another "coffee  table" book of photos including a collection of correspondence between President Trump and the countless world leaders, celebrities, athletes, and business leaders who shaped the United States, and the world. Like his other book of photos, it has supposedly grossed $20 million. It made the New York times best seller list thanks to a big order from the RNC.

In 2021, Trump began touring with the American Freedom Tour. It has not been reported what his speaking fee was between leaving office and announcing his 2024 bid for the presidency in November. Trump held 40 rallies in 2018. According to his published rally and events schedule he has held 12 events. Unfortunately, the Save America rally schedule has not been updated since the June 10th rally. He has since held a rally in So. Carolina on July 1. https://mypatriotmarketplace.com/events/trump-rally-schedule-save-america/ Trump campaign officials said part of the reason he is not holding many rallies is because they are expensive, at half a million each. One might consider his daily Truth Social Rants to be campaign events. They likely reach more folks than an in person rally.

A New York Times best-seller, 'A Promised Land' is a memoir by Barack Obama, the 44th president of the United States. Published on November 17, 2020, it is the first of a planned two-volume series. The book is 768 pages and available in digital, paperback, and hardcover formats and has been translated into two dozen languages. I believe the only photo is that of him on the back cover. It took the famously contemplative and cerebral Barack Obama almost 4 years to write this memoir. More than 3.3 million copies of his book have sold.

Former President Barack was reportedly set to be paid $1.2 million for a series of three speeches to major Wall Street firms, less than a year after he left the White House.



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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #140 on: July 05, 2023, 02:55:02 PM »
It is not just me; politics and politicians are all over the place.

I would be more worried if politicians were not paid for their work.  What is more, to mount winning campaign especially these days, someone wanting to become a politician literally must raise millions and sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign contributions and given that, it is still a crap shoot because there is no guarantee they will win. If that were the case, who in their right mind would volunteer to run for political office? Oh wait, someone like Trump who some of believe is not in his right mind did... hmm.

Did you know that according to the FEC report Donald Trump laid out $94m in the last push for White House while Hillary Clinton spent $132m and cemented herself as biggest fundraiser. All that and she and those who contributed to her bid lost their bet. For investment verses chances of winning, Powerball probably has better odds.

In 2020 Biden’s campaign raised $169 billion while Trump’s campaign raised even more… $196 billion. Maybe the key is whoever raises the lesser amount in campaign contributions wins the race. LOL!

Look at the details involved in running for a congressional political office: https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/registering-candidate/house-senate-president-candidate-registration/#:~:text=An%20individual%20running%20for%20a,%245%2C000%20in%20contributions%20or%20expenditures.

This is an interesting rub; A political organization is subject to tax on its political organization’s taxable income. Generally, this tax is calculated by multiplying the political organization taxable income by the highest rate of tax specified in §11(b).
 
Trump's purported net worth last April was around $2.5 billion according to Forbes (Trump maintains it is high than this), while Biden's is around $9 million (net worth in billions is around $0.009 (billion dollars). Bernie Sanders, who you mentioned, is worth about $3 million, $1 million from his book sales. Rhetorical question: how many millions does it take to make a billion?

$9 million dollars is nothing to sneeze at, but it is not a huge amount either. Over the course of his tenure, Biden's salary increased from $42,500 per year in 1973 to $174,000 per year, according to the Senate's historical records. When he was elected Vice President in 2008, he got another raise, earning roughly $230,000 a year. According to last year's income tax return in April, the Bidens earned nearly $580,000. Their income is drawn from investment interest, pensions, annuities, distributions from retirement accounts and social security as well as a corporation that collects their book royalties. Yes, he is paid Social Security even though he makes a heck of a lot of money. When someone reaches full retirement age, their earnings no longer reduce their benefits... makes no difference who you are or how much you earn or are worth. Should I go back to work? Not on your life!

Campaign fundraising has nothing to do with whether a candidate was wealthy before taking office or become wealthy as a result of taking office.

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #141 on: July 05, 2023, 03:56:45 PM »
I don't give a flying fuck.

If someone committed a crime, they need to account for it.  Whether that be prison time or not.  And it doesn't matter if it's a current or former president.   

They must go through the due process of law.  Quips, hearsay, or gaffs aren't enough.  There must be tangible evidence of a crime.  If Joe Biden did sell "a lot of state secrets" then it must be proven in a court of law.  Simply posting vid of him saying it is not enough. 

Whatever comes of the Trump charges, if he is found guilty, he needs to spend time in prison period. 

Our choices for president have sucked ass for many terms.  Our government is like a Jerry Springer show.
I agree. The agitation about all of this is what it takes to spur an investigation on one side vs the other. Seemingly any accusation from the left towards Trump requires millions of wasted tax dollars to look into it, while any accusations against Biden are sept under the rug by the media and disappear with no investigation.
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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #142 on: July 05, 2023, 04:16:02 PM »
Campaign fundraising has nothing to do with whether a candidate was wealthy before taking office or become wealthy as a result of taking office.

Is is accurate to say you believe politicians should not be paid a salary and volunteer for the position? Like I said, good luck with finding folks willing to do that.

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« Reply #143 on: July 05, 2023, 10:36:41 PM »
Is is accurate to say you believe politicians should not be paid a salary and volunteer for the position? Like I said, good luck with finding folks willing to do that.

How on earth did you reach that conclusion??  I didn't say any such thing.  Pretty clear that you simply cannot understand the issue. 

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« Reply #144 on: July 06, 2023, 12:43:28 AM »
How on earth did you reach that conclusion??  I didn't say any such thing.  Pretty clear that you simply cannot understand the issue.

Then help me out here, what is your issue? My take is that you fault Biden for being a career politician because this is how he amassed the pittance he has (as compared to Trump's billions). I get it because you are a conservative and many of you opt for less government.

For me wealth is not the issue because I believe politicians should be paid well for their service to the country.  My vote is for  someone with political experience over someone like Donald Trump who had none prior to being elected in November 2015.


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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #145 on: July 06, 2023, 04:10:15 PM »
How on earth did you reach that conclusion??  I didn't say any such thing.  Pretty clear that you simply cannot understand the issue.
It's the typical deflection/avoidance tactic. Pretend to not know what you're talking about, ask you to explain is 30 times, then still deny what you're saying. It's old and tired, like Biden.
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« Reply #146 on: July 06, 2023, 04:25:22 PM »
It's the typical deflection/avoidance tactic. Pretend to not know what you're talking about, ask you to explain is 30 times, then still deny what you're saying. It's old and tired, like Biden.

You are old and tired, like Biden and Trump.

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #147 on: July 06, 2023, 04:27:13 PM »
You are old and tired, like Biden and Trump.
You're old enough to be wes grandfather, settle down.
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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #148 on: July 06, 2023, 04:41:48 PM »
You're old enough to be wes grandfather, settle down.

Granted I was somewhat promiscuous when I was a kid but my being Wes' grandfather is a stretch. 

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Re: “I sold a lot of state secrets” - Joe Biden
« Reply #149 on: July 07, 2023, 02:35:43 AM »
Then help me out here, what is your issue? My take is that you fault Biden for being a career politician because this is how he amassed the pittance he has (as compared to Trump's billions). I get it because you are a conservative and many of you opt for less government.

For me wealth is not the issue because I believe politicians should be paid well for their service to the country.  My vote is for  someone with political experience over someone like Donald Trump who had none prior to being elected in November 2015.

I'm sounding like a broken record.  The issue is not whether someone gets paid to work a government job.  The issue is someone using their taxpayer funded job to create wealth that they otherwise never would have earned.  That contradicts the entire notion of being a public servant.  Public service jobs are not designed to make people wealthy.   

We know that Trump was a billionaire before taking office.  He did not profit from becoming POTUS.  He lost money.  I'm much less concerned about people like him, because he has no incentive to try and exploit his public service job to try and become wealthy.   

We know that Biden had very little for his entire service as a Senator and as VP.  Then his income skyrocketed and he earned many millions after leaving office.  That only happened because he used his taxpayer funded job as leverage to collect bags of cash from foreign individuals and adversaries. 

How do you think Biden earned his millions after leaving office?  And don't give me some cut and paste you pulled off the internet.