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[Agnostic007]

Thanks for clearing it up. You should have met for the beer.

Priorities

[LurkerNoMore]

lol….is that the way it went?

Lurker- “the evidence is irrefutable” then posts an article with of those that were charged by a soros bought and paid for by a Michigan AG. What this retard did was IMPLY that they were guilty even before the trial, Al La Nancy Pelosi

I posted an article with provable evidence that in fact, refuted his allegations and can actually provide video evidence of this. But he did what I expected him to do, not read it or follow the links that proved this Michigan ag was full of shit.

As for Agnostics claim that I don’t help and train cops in a private facility, he’s lying. Making up shit. Pulling this out of his ass. He somehow thinks that a cop (not a full time tactical swat team) that qualifies once every 6-12 months with hardly any other even range time in between has to be better and more knowledgeable than someone who’s been training for 6-7 years 3-4 days week straight with multiple certs, can’t possibly help train cops in a private facility with a kill house.

Hey Agnostic, here’s a little fact for you and it’s been proven. A lot of these civilian training facilities are turning out people after about 6 months to a year of training better trained than patrol cops. How fucking sad is it knowing that a civilian could be trained better in firearms and tactical situations than a regular patrol cop? Its sad and it shouldn’t be happening.

The facts I posted are irrefutable.  They are state records of the Michigan AG.  They are the words, on video of the AG herself saying the exact same thing.  Not a single word in my statement, the article, the state records, or her video says "guilt, innocence, or trial."  Those words are not included.  You made that shit up with your bullshit debunking claim.

But why not just provide a link to where I said that or - asking for the 100th time - to the actual debunking?  Because you can't.  That's why.  All you have are the impotent tears of a midget retard and bullshit.  That is your coping mechanism. 

[Agnostic007]

The facts I posted are irrefutable.  They are state records of the Michigan AG.  They are the words, on video of the AG herself saying the exact same thing.  Not a single word in my statement, the article, the state records, or her video says "guilt, innocence, or trial."  Those words are not included.  You made that shit up with your bullshit debunking claim.

But why not just provide a link to where I said that or - asking for the 100th time - to the actual debunking?  Because you can't.  That's why.  All you have are the impotent tears of a midget retard and bullshit.  That is your coping mechanism.

I think we’ve come to the “wash our hands of it” point with Coach. I’m not sure at this point if he understands basic concepts.
He’s imagining things and no amount of talking seems to change that. And now he’s calling people liars. Especially ironic considering his claim of training Law Enforcement in firearms tactics. If he had a DOJ instructors certificate he would have posted it.

[LurkerNoMore]

I think we’ve come to the “wash our hands of it” point with Coach. I’m not sure at this point if he understands basic concepts.
He’s imagining things and no amount of talking seems to change that. And now he’s calling people liars. Especially ironic considering his claim of training Law Enforcement in firearms tactics. If he had a DOJ instructors certificate he would have posted it.

If he was accredited by any agency he would.  Truth is, he is just in the vicinity and uses the same building that LE individuals may visit.  In no way does he "train" them.  Most likely he does nothing but pester them nonstop trying to be relevant. 

"Jumping out of helicopters"  -   

Even that 47th chromosome has a hard time keeping track of all his delusions.

[Coach is Back!]

If he was accredited by any agency he would.  Truth is, he is just in the vicinity and uses the same building that LE individuals may visit.  In no way does he "train" them.  Most likely he does nothing but pester them nonstop trying to be relevant. 

"Jumping out of helicopters"  -   

Even that 47th chromosome has a hard time keeping track of all his delusions.

You know what to do. And what’s this “accredited” and “agency” crap? I’ve come to find out that it’s real easy to talk shit behind a keyboard, stay anonymous, etc but when push comes to shove there’s always an excuse not to prove yourself. Seems the ones that talk the most shit are the ones that lack the integrity to back themselves up….even when just a couple of miles away. Lurkers never had any integrity whatsoever so this is nothing new.

Bottom line, if you’re going to talk about someone, put up or shut up. Quite frankly, I didn’t expect Agnostic show even though he was the one that asked

[Agnostic007]

You know what to do. And what’s this “accredited” and “agency” crap? I’ve come to find out that it’s real easy to talk shit behind a keyboard, stay anonymous, etc but when push comes to shove there’s always an excuse not to prove yourself. Seems the ones that talk the most shit are the ones that lack the integrity to back themselves up….even when just a couple of miles away. Lurkers never had any integrity whatsoever so this is nothing new.

Bottom line, if you’re going to talk about someone, put up or shut up. Quite frankly, I didn’t expect Agnostic show even though he was the one that asked

Coach you make it sound like we were meeting behind the church after school for a fight. Had we met, what do you think you would accomplish? Show me an instructors certificate? Would have lent some credibility to your claim? Show me Breitbart news articles on your phone? Convince me the election was stolen? There was no fear here… I just didn’t have the spare time to meet up with you. Is this some kind of victory in your mind?

[LurkerNoMore]

You know what to do. And what’s this “accredited” and “agency” crap? I’ve come to find out that it’s real easy to talk shit behind a keyboard, stay anonymous, etc but when push comes to shove there’s always an excuse not to prove yourself. Seems the ones that talk the most shit are the ones that lack the integrity to back themselves up….even when just a couple of miles away. Lurkers never had any integrity whatsoever so this is nothing new.

Bottom line, if you’re going to talk about someone, put up or shut up. Quite frankly, I didn’t expect Agnostic show even though he was the one that asked

Midget man, giant retard.   

You don't train LE at all. 

[Coach is Back!]

Coach you make it sound like we were meeting behind the church after school for a fight. Had we met, what do you think you would accomplish? Show me an instructors certificate? Would have lent some credibility to your claim? Show me Breitbart news articles on your phone? Convince me the election was stolen? There was no fear here… I just didn’t have the spare time to meet up with you. Is this some kind of victory in your mind?

Fight? No. It was literally for a beer to talk to the person who constantly talks crap and calls me liar online since you were only a few miles away at the time. But hey, it is what it is.

[Agnostic007]

Fight? No. It was literally for a beer to talk to the person who constantly talks crap and calls me liar online since you were only a few miles away at the time. But hey, it is what it is.

My goal would have been the same then. But I refrained from calling you a liar all this time. In fact, I stated more than once I think you believe what you post. While on the other hand, for months you have IMPLIED I lied about my career. I let it go.. I don't call people liars without knowing for sure. To me, that's a pretty bad insult. Like stealing someones horse in the 1800's type thing. But.. I will say, while I can't say you are lying when you ignore facts in black in white in your face, or your many posts turn out to be false.. like the one you recently posted saying the Biden administration refused to pay to transport a solider KIA.. which I provided ample evidence the Gateway Pundit was flat wrong.. I don't think you lied about it, I think you saw a shiny object flashing through the water and like a largemouth bass you instinctively cut and pasted it without a seconds thought to check it's accuracy. Mainly because it was anti Biden and you just hoped it was true. So you didn't "lie" there, but your integrity certainly suffered.. again.

"The part where I train with and help train cops in the use of firearms handling and tactics."



Then you made the claim you trained cops in firearms tactics. That seemed to me to be crossing the line between blind political ignorance and ... lying. It's not that I don't think civilians are not capable of training Law Enforcement. In Austin we knew of places where it was run by civilians, most of them former SWAT officers, Delta, Seals etc.. called Thunder Ranch. The instructors were highly respected. I had a former instructor on my shift as an officer when I was a Sergeant and you better believe I used his skills to expand my officers tactics. So it's not that. Lets put that herring to rest. It's that I KNOW there is no department in the country that would employ an non certified instructor to train their officers in almost any capacity and especially, most certainly USE OF FORCE. Now if you have that DOJ Instructors certification and a contract from a local department   I will entertain the thought you trained Law enforcement at the range. Barring that, I have to say, you were not truthful. Did you offer someone tips? Did you ask a question and suggest a different night sight? I don't know, but I damn sure know, without proper certification, you did not train Law enforcement... period. You dug this hole.. not me.

[AbrahamG]

Allow me to play Jimmy Carter here for a second and broker a peace deal.  I think at this point in leiu of kissing and making up why not just send each other dick pics and be done with it. 

[chaos]

Allow me to play Jimmy Carter here for a second and broker a peace deal.  I think at this point in leiu of kissing and making up why not just send each other dick pics and be done with it.

Why send them? Post them here and we can start a "most glorious dick on getbig" poll thread.

[AbrahamG]

Why send them? Post them here and we can start a "most glorious dick on getbig" poll thread.

That is a fantastic idea.

[Agnostic007]

 

[Coach is Back!]

My goal would have been the same then. But I refrained from calling you a liar all this time. In fact, I stated more than once I think you believe what you post. While on the other hand, for months you have IMPLIED I lied about my career. I let it go.. I don't call people liars without knowing for sure. To me, that's a pretty bad insult. Like stealing someones horse in the 1800's type thing. But.. I will say, while I can't say you are lying when you ignore facts in black in white in your face, or your many posts turn out to be false.. like the one you recently posted saying the Biden administration refused to pay to transport a solider KIA.. which I provided ample evidence the Gateway Pundit was flat wrong.. I don't think you lied about it, I think you saw a shiny object flashing through the water and like a largemouth bass you instinctively cut and pasted it without a seconds thought to check it's accuracy. Mainly because it was anti Biden and you just hoped it was true. So you didn't "lie" there, but your integrity certainly suffered.. again.

"The part where I train with and help train cops in the use of firearms handling and tactics."



Then you made the claim you trained cops in firearms tactics. That seemed to me to be crossing the line between blind political ignorance and ... lying. It's not that I don't think civilians are not capable of training Law Enforcement. In Austin we knew of places where it was run by civilians, most of them former SWAT officers, Delta, Seals etc.. called Thunder Ranch. The instructors were highly respected. I had a former instructor on my shift as an officer when I was a Sergeant and you better believe I used his skills to expand my officers tactics. So it's not that. Lets put that herring to rest. It's that I KNOW there is no department in the country that would employ an non certified instructor to train their officers in almost any capacity and especially, most certainly USE OF FORCE. Now if you have that DOJ Instructors certification and a contract from a local department   I will entertain the thought you trained Law enforcement at the range. Barring that, I have to say, you were not truthful. Did you offer someone tips? Did you ask a question and suggest a different night sight? I don't know, but I damn sure know, without proper certification, you did not train Law enforcement... period. You dug this hole.. not me.

1. There isn’t at any point in our conversation where I where I said I trained Departments…not at any point nor did I say I was some kind of full time instructor “Detective” I specifically said at a PRIVATE facility where some LE comes to train. So right off the bat you’re putting words in my mouth.

2. I know of Thunder Ranch and Clint Smith. I’ve been following him for years. Haven’t been to his facility but have trained with Sheepdog when in Dripping Springs with Kongo and Kennedy. Both places are similar to where I train and have been training for years and I have stated openly that MY instructors are also former SWAT commanders, Seals, Marine Snipers (one of the owners) and an active MARSOC instructors. What you don’t seem to realize is that these facilities have been popping up all over the country. One of my first instructors is a former seal who now teaches in San Antonio. Bottom line, cops are under trained. Some don’t even know how to clear a simple malfunction. Sad

3. As for you being insulted, sorry but no one knows who you even are let alone be telling the truth because you come off as some leftist wing nut that very few cops would even agree with. At least none that I know of and most of friends are cops. I don’t hide my identity, anyone who’s been paying attention knows who I am, what I do, where I train and where I live.

[Agnostic007]

1. There isn’t at any point in our conversation where I where I said I trained Departments…not at any point nor did I say I was some kind of full time instructor “Detective” I specifically said at a PRIVATE facility where some LE comes to train. So right off the bat you’re putting words in my mouth.

2. I know of Thunder Ranch and Clint Smith. I’ve been following him for years. Haven’t been to his facility but have trained with Sheepdog when in Dripping Springs with Kongo and Kennedy. Both places are similar to where I train and have been training for years and I have stated openly that MY instructors are also former SWAT commanders, Seals, Marine Snipers (one of the owners) and an active MARSOC instructors. What you don’t seem to realize is that these facilities have been popping up all over the country. One of my first instructors is a former seal who now teaches in San Antonio. Bottom line, cops are under trained. Some don’t even know how to clear a simple malfunction. Sad

Coach, I'm speaking to you as an adult. My qoute from you IMPLIED (I'm using the same standard you used for Lurker) that YOU did. If that is not the case... then we have no issue. If you train at facilities and with some cops that train there, that is fine and believable. But "I train and help train cops" is extremely misleading at the least.

Police Departments have limited budgets. Many cops go their entire careers without firing a shot. That's not to say they don't pull their weapon and clear hundreds of buildings, cars etc. It just means and thankfully so, the odds of pulling the trigger are minimal and rightly so. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be taught. But defensive tactics are more likely used.. what used to be called "verbal judo" and is now known as De-escalation tactics are used daily and focused on. I agree with you if your point is the standard cop could use more firearms tactics training. That is very true. We got ours because our Boss at the time was a believer in it. I am an excellent shot. Always have been. But I have shot beside cops at that range I hoped to god I never had to rely on in a firefight.  So yes, most cops, depending on the department and it's budget could and should practice as much as possible.

I get the impression based on your posts, you enjoy shooting. Enjoy it past what the typical homeowner enjoys. you have likely developed your skills on your own dime to be pretty proficient on the range. I aplaude you.  But you don't and never have trained Law Enforcement. You may have trained alongside Law Enforcement at one of the civilian ranges you visit.. but you never trained them. The range masters would have or should have shut you down unless you are a certified instructor. It's not my ego driving my disbelief. I worked with Former Navy Seals in Austin and have the utmost respect for their capabilities.. they would run rings around me. My disbelief is in your comment, you train cops.. you just absolutely don't. I understand you may have slipped and put something in black and white that is coming back to haunt you now. It's as simple as admitting you misstated your personal role in training cops....  You've trained along side them... that's believable. Is that something you are willing to do, or will you stick to the claim you yourself trained cops? It's really up to you

[Coach is Back!]

Here’s my proof to put that old doubt to rest.

If you have a DOJ Instructors certification, nows the time.

Nope, I’m not DOJ certified because 1. I don’t do it for a living. 2. You don’t need a DOJ cert for private facilities. I’ve been NRA certified for years in basics with the ability to certify other would be instructors…which incidentally includes cops once in a while. And I shouldn’t have specify this but no, not departments. Just individual cops taking the course.

[Agnostic007]

nows the time to post the DOJ Instuctor certificate.. If you do, I’ll apologize for doubting you and you can do likewise

[Coach is Back!]

Bows the time to post the DOJ Instuctor certificate.. If you do, I’ll apologize for doubting you and you can do likewise

You didn’t read my above post, did you?

[Agnostic007]

You didn’t read my above post, did you?

It did not exist when I originally posted that... But your answer is pretty much what I expected. Not hoped for, but kind of expected.

[Coach is Back!]

It did not exist when I originally posted that... But your answer is pretty much what I expected. Not hoped for, but kind of expected.

What did you expect?

[ROBOAK]

nows the time to post the DOJ Instuctor certificate.. If you do, I’ll apologize for doubting you and you can do likewise

monster triceps     

[Agnostic007]

What did you expect?

I expected you to hem and haw about "I'm not "technically supposed to train Cops" but you know, sometimes I do...  But without a DOJ Instructors certificate you are like a laborer at a construction site. You may pick up the shell casings and load ammo, but no facility worth their salt would let you actually instruct cops. It's a liablity issue. Now if you are an assistant, and working in the facility, which you said you are not.. you seem to be there voluntarily, that might be different technically. But if it's important to you to present yourself as a Coach AND a trainer of Law Enforcement on use of firearms, hey, more power to you. I'm sure some people out there will believe you. Like the stolen election thing. It's not a lie if YOU believe it.

[Skeletor]

Nope, I’m not DOJ certified because 1. I don’t do it for a living. 2. You don’t need a DOJ cert for private facilities. I’ve been NRA certified for years in basics with the ability to certify other would be instructors…which incidentally includes cops once in a while. And I shouldn’t have specify this but no, not departments. Just individual cops taking the course.

I was looking at the NRA website and they have a specific Law Enforcement section.

https://le.nra.org/law-enforcement-training/

They mention: "Our instructors consist of active and former police officers from around the country who are highly trained and well-respected professionals in the field."

Also:

Specific eligibility requirements must be met prior to attending any NRA Law Enforcement Firearm Instructor school. Registration in any of these programs must be made on the proper forms with appropriate documentation attached. Registration confirmation must be received from NRA prior to attending any school. All applicants must be United States citizens or lawful permanent residents of the U.S. who must also be able to lawfully possess firearms and ammunition. Additionally, applicants must meet one of the following six criteria:

A "sworn" law enforcement officer
A retired or previously employed "sworn" law enforcement officer
A licensed "armed" private security officer
A member of the United States Armed Forces

They also mention these 2 categories which you also don't seem to fit into:

A full-time civilian firearm instructor who is employed by a public law enforcement agency: This is defined as someone employed full time in a civilian capacity by a public law enforcement agency or organization to provide law enforcement specific firearm training to its "sworn" law enforcement personnel. A letter from the chief, sheriff, or other appropriate command person attesting to their full-time employment status and experience will be required of anyone attempting to establish eligibility under this section.

A full-time civilian contractor: This is defined as someone employed by a U.S. company or corporation actively engaged in a verifiable GSA contract to provide firearm training or other armed personal / physical security protection types of service to the U.S. government or military. A letter from a program manager or other appropriate individual attesting to the company's contractual obligation and the individual's current employment status and experience is required of anyone attempting to establish eligibility under this section.

Coach, what type of NRA training do you have that you can train cops in firearms and tactical situations?

[Coach is Back!]

Coach, I'm speaking to you as an adult. My qoute from you IMPLIED (I'm using the same standard you used for Lurker) that YOU did. If that is not the case... then we have no issue. If you train at facilities and with some cops that train there, that is fine and believable. But "I train and help train cops" is extremely misleading at the least.

Police Departments have limited budgets. Many cops go their entire careers without firing a shot. That's not to say they don't pull their weapon and clear hundreds of buildings, cars etc. It just means and thankfully so, the odds of pulling the trigger are minimal and rightly so. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be taught. But defensive tactics are more likely used.. what used to be called "verbal judo" and is now known as De-escalation tactics are used daily and focused on. I agree with you if your point is the standard cop could use more firearms tactics training. That is very true. We got ours because our Boss at the time was a believer in it. I am an excellent shot. Always have been. But I have shot beside cops at that range I hoped to god I never had to rely on in a firefight.  So yes, most cops, depending on the department and it's budget could and should practice as much as possible.

And this has been my point all along and specifically stated "this does not include full time SWAT units and specifically stated standard patrol cops. They go through their quals then put the firearm back in their holsters until the next qual be it 3,6 or 12 months down the line then when God for bid something happened they are not prepared mentally, sometimes physically or tactically. because of this, most are not ready, for instance to breach and room clear. I literally watch dozens of videos a week with cops wondering how they haven't killed anyone in crossfire...just as an example.

I get the impression based on your posts, you enjoy shooting. Enjoy it past what the typical homeowner enjoys. you have likely developed your skills on your own dime to be pretty proficient on the range. I aplaude you.  But you don't and never have trained Law Enforcement. You may have trained alongside Law Enforcement at one of the civilian ranges you visit.. but you never trained them. The range masters would have or should have shut you down unless you are a certified instructor. It's not my ego driving my disbelief. I worked with Former Navy Seals in Austin and have the utmost respect for their capabilities.. they would run rings around me. My disbelief is in your comment, you train cops.. you just absolutely don't. I understand you may have slipped and put something in black and white that is coming back to haunt you now. It's as simple as admitting you misstated your personal role in training cops....  You've trained along side them... that's believable. Is that something you are willing to do, or will you stick to the claim you yourself trained cops? It's really up to you

Never said on a range. During the week its an indoor kill house, room clearing, 1,2,3 and 4 man CQC, VCQC, etc.have never stated I was a full time instructor as a matter of fact my = exact words were "I help out in training LE" in a private facility. I also mentioned that a lot of the cops that come in for private training do not know basic firearms or tactical terminology. Maybe they use a different terminology at different academies or departments?

[Skeletor]

Never said on a range. During the week its an indoor kill house, room clearing, 1,2,3 and 4 man CQC, VCQC, etc.have never stated I was a full time instructor as a matter of fact my = exact words were "I help out in training LE" in a private facility. I also mentioned that a lot of the cops that come in for private training do not know basic firearms or tactical terminology. Maybe they use a different terminology at different academies or departments?

Are these desk jockeys and fatasses or just 18 year olds straight out of the basic academy? Have you talked with these fellas and asked them why they attend your training, what they think they are lacking and what they learned after the training?