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Jiu jitsu facts
« on: July 24, 2023, 04:01:45 AM »
Bjj is a great martial art,  don't get me wrong,  but the fan boys are embarrassing.
"A teenage blue belt beats up Mike Tyson blah blah blah." ::)
Go take down Brian Shawn and see what happens.

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2023, 04:24:45 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2023, 04:26:57 AM »
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Is that the Hammer?

His brain is not in good shape.

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2023, 04:28:25 AM »
Is that the Hammer?

His brain is not in good shape.

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2023, 06:23:59 AM »
Bjj is a great martial art,  don't get me wrong,  but the fan boys are embarrassing.
"A teenage blue belt beats up Mike Tyson blah blah blah." ::)
Go take down Brian Shawn and see what happens.

BJJ is great, but you should train in some form of striking discipline (Boxing, Muay Thai, Kickboxing etc.). You can be amazing at BJJ, but if you ever get into a fight with someone that has great takedown defense and that also happens to be a decent striker, it would very likely be lights out. Being well-rounded is key in my humble opinion.

All that said, with most people carrying weapons of some sort, the idea of martial arts is becoming less attractive. Today, when I walk around my city, I see tons of young, wannabe rappers carrying guns and knives and it makes me realize that these are no streets for old men.

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2023, 06:28:16 AM »
Darren, what do you think of this?:



^ The longer versions of Brian Shaw and Dustin Poirier grappling are on YouTube.

I have some comments on it, but I'd like to hear your views first, Darren

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2023, 06:30:54 AM »
Matt,
Could you expound on the origin of the name "jiu jitsu"?

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2023, 06:36:21 AM »
Even Karate back in the day was a bit of a joke. Most spent time doing Kata's, and zero fighting.
It hit home when I was like 15 (I was a brown  belt myself and enjoyed taking it for many years after boxing at the YMCA since a little kid).
Chuck Norris movies made Karate popularity take off around here in the early 80's.

Anyways, at the beach on a FRI night, dude wants to fight my friend Jim who was like 4 yrs older than us.
The dude goes into all sorts of hilarious Karate stances and prepping, etc.
Jim punches him square in the nose, knocked the poor bastard out cold, very bloody broken nose. (Guys was supposedly a black belt).

I thought it was hilarious and never went back to Karate after that.   ::)

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2023, 06:43:04 AM »
Matt,
Could you expound on the origin of the name "jiu jitsu"?

Not without looking it up.

My combat training has all been in wrestling. Although I'd be very confident going up against anyone up to maybe a purple belt in Jiu-jitsu, unless he significantly outsized me, or was much stronger.

Or if I saw that his ears were completely messed up, lol.

Why do you ask, IroNat?

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2023, 06:43:30 AM »
Any self-defense method that requires physical strength, youth, constant lengthy practice, high levels of aerobic fitness, is inefficient for general use.

For self-defense you want something that ends an altercation quickly, requires a minimum of skill, a minimum of practice, a minimum of strength.

Something a woman could do against a much stronger man for example.

Attacking vital points of the body that result in immediate incapacity of the assailant.

This is not to say practice intensive methods are not effective.  They can be.

Wrestling is a very effective defense skill but if you're 70 it is not practical to spend hours on the mat.  Too hard on the body.  As a result your skill erodes.  BJJ is hard on the body too I would think.  Judo also.

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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2023, 06:46:00 AM »
Not without looking it up.

My combat training has all been in wrestling. Although I'd be very confident going up against anyone up to maybe a purple belt in Jiu-jitsu, unless he significantly outsized me, or was much stronger.

Or if I saw that his ears were completely messed up, lol.

Why do you ask, IroNat?

Just wondered if the Jewish people had anything to do with it.

(Busting your balls. ;))

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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2023, 06:54:08 AM »
Even Karate back in the day was a bit of a joke. Most spent time doing Kata's, and zero fighting.
It hit home when I was like 15 (I was a brown  belt myself and enjoyed taking it for many years after boxing at the YMCA since a little kid).
Chuck Norris movies made Karate popularity take off around here in the early 80's.

Anyways, at the beach on a FRI night, dude wants to fight my friend Jim who was like 4 yrs older than us.
The dude goes into all sorts of hilarious Karate stances and prepping, etc.
Jim punches him square in the nose, knocked the poor bastard out cold, very bloody broken nose. (Guys was supposedly a black belt).

I thought it was hilarious and never went back to Karate after that.   ::)

I took karate for awhile too.

Half the class was spent doing katas.  Then the gloves would come out we'd hit the mitts and bags like kickboxers.

I asked the sensei what good are the katas in a fight?

He says, "I can teach you self-defense in 5 minutes by poking somebody's eyes out.  Then what would we do after that?"

Then he went into the spiritual aspect of karate, etc.

Dude was honest about it.  Basically he had to make a living.

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2023, 08:05:58 AM »
take someone down in a street fight and his mates will use you as a football.

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2023, 08:10:56 AM »
Not without looking it up.

My combat training has all been in wrestling. Although I'd be very confident going up against anyone up to maybe a purple belt in Jiu-jitsu, unless he significantly outsized me, or was much stronger.

Or if I saw that his ears were completely messed up, lol.

Why do you ask, IroNat?


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how would you do against Hankins?

He had 15,000 school fights undefeated and would have gone to the olympics but it was on a Sunday or something
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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2023, 08:18:33 AM »
Any self-defense method that requires physical strength, youth, constant lengthy practice, high levels of aerobic fitness, is inefficient for general use.

For self-defense you want something that ends an altercation quickly, requires a minimum of skill, a minimum of practice, a minimum of strength.


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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2023, 10:02:38 AM »
Any self-defense method that requires physical strength, youth, constant lengthy practice, and high levels of aerobic fitness, is inefficient for general use.

The single most salient point in this thread.

To add, despite the trend naysayers, being robustly built, very strong and physically able, and with an aggressive-capable mind, will always place an individual at the top of the general “food chain”.

Real fighting is very far from sport fighting.

The latter’s specificity of skillset and intent can equally work against him in the former.

It’s why being just a big, strong and aggressive SOB will never be bested.

As far as BJJ, it’s a hugely impressive skill, and in its domain, extensively intimidating for those not well versed.

“Go roll with a relative novice and you’ll be humbled.”

Yeah, no shit.

Doesn’t mean squat, though, in the bigger arena of realistic self defence.

A large, powerful and relentlessly aggressive man is a force with which to be reckoned.

Period.

Added: If I were to find myself in a physical confrontation with Gordon Ryan, his sheer physicality would give me more pause and focus than would his BJJ skill.



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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2023, 12:24:11 PM »
Agree. Sport jiu jitsu is not a street fight.

I have been training jiu jitsu on average 3 days a week for the past 7 years, and one of the most important things it has taught me is to avoid conflict if possible.

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2023, 12:28:36 PM »
Any self-defense method that requires physical strength, youth, constant lengthy practice, high levels of aerobic fitness, is inefficient for general use.

For self-defense you want something that ends an altercation quickly, requires a minimum of skill, a minimum of practice, a minimum of strength.

Something a woman could do against a much stronger man for example.

Attacking vital points of the body that result in immediate incapacity of the assailant.

This is not to say practice intensive methods are not effective.  They can be.

Wrestling is a very effective defense skill but if you're 70 it is not practical to spend hours on the mat.  Too hard on the body.  As a result your skill erodes.  BJJ is hard on the body too I would think.  Judo also.


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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2023, 12:35:17 PM »
I thought wrestling was just a gay code for anal sniffing used amongst the sexually abused in hicksville USA?

Bottom line if you can strike quickly and with relative accuracy and power you stand decent chance if you don'[t freeze of doing ok
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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2023, 01:50:59 AM »
Agree. Sport jiu jitsu is not a street fight.

I have been training jiu jitsu on average 3 days a week for the past 7 years, and one of the most important things it has taught me is to avoid conflict if possible.

I did jj before covid and My instructor always told newbies
"Don't ever assume you can just go beat up an 18 stone (260lb) rugby prop just because you know this stuff"

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2023, 02:21:59 AM »
Darren, what do you think of this?:



^ The longer versions of Brian Shaw and Dustin Poirier grappling are on YouTube.

I have some comments on it, but I'd like to hear your views first, Darren

the fight was far from over when Dustin got in a potential RNC on Brian
If Brain ah jumped up and landed on his back he would have crushed Dustin

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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2023, 03:46:36 AM »
Most jiu jitsu schools severely neglect take downs.  They cover it as if the fighter will always fall to the ground. To be a well rounded fighter you need stand up and ground game. If you are going to choose just one then ground game has the higher percentage of use.

Conor was a great fighter despite having a terrible ground game.  He knew how to stay on his feet and how to get up once taken down. Royce was exposed when he it was learned he had zero stand up. He couldn't throw a punch or a real kick.

UFC legend Masvidal had so many street fights prior to going to MMA.  He said in the street his go to was quick strikes then sprinting 50 yards to get out of the situation.


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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2023, 03:54:27 AM »

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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2023, 03:55:49 AM »
Most jiu jitsu schools severely neglect take downs.  They cover it as if the fighter will always fall to the ground. To be a well rounded fighter you need stand up and ground game. If you are going to choose just one then ground game has the higher percentage of use.

Conor was a great fighter despite having a terrible ground game.  He knew how to stay on his feet and how to get up once taken down. Royce was exposed when he it was learned he had zero stand up. He couldn't throw a punch or a real kick.

UFC legend Masvidal had so many street fights prior to going to MMA.  He said in the street his go to was quick strikes then sprinting 50 yards to get out of the situation.




Probably the best strategy for un-armed self-defense.

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Re: Jiu jitsu facts
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2023, 03:56:55 AM »
Probably the best strategy for un-armed self-defense.

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