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Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« on: July 25, 2023, 06:04:54 PM »

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2023, 03:25:01 AM »
A couple of observations. First a question. Is this guy a medical doctor, PhD or a Chiropractor?  I can't find out through a quick look of his site.

1. Looking at his head shot he is a chubby guy. When I went to an endocrinologist he told me a good way to increase testosterone is to get lean. Could it be his problem with low test?

2. He cites a study I believe around the 9 minute mark that says a whopping 64 miles a week of running lowers testosterone. Holy shit, 64 miles! Personally I never go over 20 miles a week at this age which really isn't relevant to this conversation. I would agree that doing an insane amount of cardio like the study cited can lower testosterone. On another related topic Doctor Cooper that coined the phrase Aerobic exercise and studied cardio for over 50 years said anything over 15-20 miles a week returns less health benefits showing a bell graph into longevity from lowering risk factors for good health. In the video Ironat put up he says 150 minutes a week of cardio is good for your health.

3. He mentions but never explains that over training can affect females showed through a lack of a monthly period. Females need a certain fat level to have a period and when they get too lean they have that problem. Yes, a certain amount of fat is needed for good health in females.

4. He blames volume weight training for his low test though he admits finding studies for that are hard to find.  He was doing volume six days a week. Without using steroids any natural would have problems with that kind of extreme.

My empirical thoughts on this.  Cardio for me improves my libido.  Doing too many miles can decrease it. What's the number of miles for a runner? Can't give a definitive answer but his study showing a whopping 64 miles a week illustrates the extreme he is talking about.

Regarding weight training. Since I don't use steroids or so called hormone replacement, training naturally, you need rest. Even though I generally use split training I know training the whole body in one session then taking off a day or even up to three days between is a great weight training strategy for most naturals. Your body fatigues as a unit and fatigue isn't just localized in the body part trained.

If you use a split some general guidelines for most is to hit a body part directly once a week to twice for a natural. No way around it if you use a split you have over lap in training body parts. What I mean is when you are doing any pressing you are also training triceps. Doing any pulling you're using biceps. On back day with with deadlifts or say power cleans you are using legs. I say this meaning that even if you hit a body part once a week with a split you are not hitting a body part once a week.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2023, 03:52:47 AM »
The gist for natties (video is specifically about natties not steroid users):

Over-training, whether weight training or cardio or a combination of both, can lower your test levels.

Use common sense and give your body time to recover.

Don't beat yourself into the ground training like steroid users.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2023, 03:56:07 AM »

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2023, 04:36:50 AM »
The gist for natties (video is specifically about natties not steroid users):

Over-training, whether weight training or cardio or a combination of both, can lower your test levels.

Use common sense and give your body time to recover.

Don't beat yourself into the ground training like steroid users.


IMO weight training does jack sh1t for testo boost.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2023, 04:59:34 AM »

IMO weight training does jack sh1t for testo boost.

Yup, it’s too transitory to have much effect.

Anyways, the heart is the most important muscle in the body.  It needs to be trained for optimal health and well-being, and everyone who lifts weights can schedule some cardio without “overtraining”

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2023, 05:02:35 AM »
steroids work better if you are lean
they were designed for malnourished sickly people

Not designed for doughnuts

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2023, 05:04:50 AM »
Cardio is good for you.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2023, 06:02:32 AM »
Cardio is good for you.
What do you do Big Ro ? I cycle outside nowadays works my pumper great.
I do it more for heart training rather than fat loss.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2023, 08:50:52 AM »
Much bigger of an issue in aerobic sports. The 64 miles a week cited is very low for a high level distance runner. High level Marathoners can get up over 120. Triathletes do even higher volume. It’s not a coincidence that female distance runners stop having periods.

Aerobic training is kinda like tanning. It’s a volume thing. The more time you spend in the sun, the deeper and darker your tan.

Anaerobic training is by nature low volume. Unless you enjoy bludgeoning yourself, there’s no reason to have it dramatically affect test levels.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2023, 12:10:20 PM »
What do you do Big Ro ? I cycle outside nowadays works my pumper great.
I do it more for heart training rather than fat loss.

Walking, cycling, hiking mountains.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2023, 12:54:48 PM »
Low intensity for heart health and fat burning.
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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2023, 04:12:45 AM »
Walking, cycling, hiking mountains.
yeah Hiking is great & camping. Love the wild outdoors.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2023, 04:16:34 AM »
What a brilliant video that is.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2023, 04:31:07 AM »

10hrs/wk cycling training I was fine and I skirted the fatigue boundary.

The problem is many people go full gas on every workout. CrossFit is notorious for this. This is what fucks you up hardcore and you’ll get real sick aswell, picking up viruses.

The rule of thumb is go easier than you think and go harder than you think. Many pro athletes are doing 95% of their training at 55%-60% of max HR.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2023, 04:35:11 AM »
The above brilliant video was directed towards the natty.

Those on the gas can tolerate much more volume.

For natties, if you feel like shit you probably are over-doing it.


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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2023, 01:27:43 AM »
I don't like normal (in gym) cardio, but I do it in the winter.

In nice weather, the 1-hr walk with the dog in this very "hilly" neighborhood is much fun, and a great workout. (for 57 yr old "me" at least it is).
Trying to keep up with Buddy is hard, makes us work..

"YEAHHHHH Buddy"!!

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2023, 01:33:32 AM »
Low intensity for heart health and fat burning.
Yep, walking does it.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2023, 03:42:33 AM »
Kind of depends on what you're doing too.  For example 10 hours per week of running is a lot of running even for an experienced athlete but 10 hours per week of cycling or triathlon is just getting started for a serious trainer.

A lot of people try to be "workout heroes" and go deep in the well every workout.  I think it's better to finish (nh) and feel like you could have done a little more, especially if you're planning on doing the same thing plus a little more next week.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2023, 06:06:52 AM »
Low intensity for heart health and fat burning.


nah, its looking more and more that vo2 max might be the most important bit. lazy cardio isnt going to cut it anymore

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2023, 01:36:36 AM »

nah, its looking more and more that vo2 max might be the most important bit. lazy cardio isnt going to cut it anymore
Lazy cardio keeps the blood pressure in the healthy range.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2023, 03:51:17 AM »
Lazy cardio keeps the blood pressure in the healthy range.
I use Interval type training.

Interval training is a type of training exercise that involves a series of high-intensity workouts interspersed with rest or relief periods. The high-intensity periods are typically at or close to anaerobic exercise, while the recovery periods involve activity of lower intensity.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2023, 05:57:59 AM »
I use Interval type training.

Interval training is a type of training exercise that involves a series of high-intensity workouts interspersed with rest or relief periods. The high-intensity periods are typically at or close to anaerobic exercise, while the recovery periods involve activity of lower intensity.


Good stuff.

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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2023, 06:03:14 AM »
I don’t really care about appearing “alpha” or whatever, but nothing makes me feel superior like walking up a few flights of stairs and being completely unphased while my peers are out of breath.


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Re: Cardio Lowers Testosterone?! | Stop Over Training
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2023, 06:03:37 AM »
I use Interval type training.

Interval training is a type of training exercise that involves a series of high-intensity workouts interspersed with rest or relief periods. The high-intensity periods are typically at or close to anaerobic exercise, while the recovery periods involve activity of lower intensity.

Spaz-the-Shitter copy and pasted that straight from Wikipedia lololol.