DOCTORS are NOT Smart

[IroNat]

Do your own research and don't blindly follow a doctor's advices.

[ProudVirgin69]

Physicians in America are among the best-trained professionals out there.  The high salaries attract the best minds, although perhaps not all are “smart”.  It’s good to be informed and question medical guidance with a critical eye, but it’s quite arrogant to think that a layperson would know better than a medical doctor.

[joswift]

I ignored 2 consultants advice over my kidney stones and things worked out fine when I convinced him that I was right.

[JackTheRipper]

I ignored 2 consultants advice over my kidney stones and things worked out fine when I convinced him that I was right.

Yes Joe we know you are the expert on training & everything medical 

[joswift]

Yes Joe we know you are the expert on training & everything medical 

and you are the expert on me 

[Matt]

Yes Joe we know you are the expert on training & everything medical 

But if it worked out for him, what's the problem?

[joswift]

But if it worked out for him, what's the problem?

dont worry Matt, hes a fan boy 

[Matt]

I just made a post about this two hours ago  on Facebook. Here is a portion of it:

"The Thunder Bay Regional Hospital only JUST removed the mask mandate. Around May 26th.

It took so long because to stop wearing masks now that C-19 has reached endemicity status [= it's here to STAY] is to admit that masks never worked.

To not get boosters every six months is also a tacit/implicit admission that the virus isn't anything to worry about.

What this shows to me is that the average doctor just parrots his curriculum.

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Why should I trust doctors or our medical system/experts? Collectively, they have proven to be morons who subscribe to social pressure.

So yeah.
I won't ever enter a hospital again except by force, or due to being unconscious/incapacitated.

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Someone - ANYONE - can explain to me how to come to trust Western medicine again after what JUST HAPPENED.

...

Anyway, I'm also not wrong about doctors irrational compliance with the C-19 scam. Yet...I know that insulin works.

SO HOW DO I PARTITION THAT IN MY MIND AND BUILD TRUST AGAIN?"

[JackTheRipper]

But if it worked out for him, what's the problem?

Yeah i guess he Googled it 

[Matt]

dont worry Matt, hes a fan boy 

Lol, that's good.

Remember that loser in your gym who was blaming the unvaccinated, then you told him you were unvaccinated, and after the plandemic/joke ended, you confronted him on the scam?

Good on you, mate!

Good going, joswift. Keep doing stuff like that! 

[ProudVirgin69]

But if it worked out for him, what's the problem?

Medicine (and science as a whole) deals with probabilities.  Medical practice should be based on the interventions that have the highest chance of good outcomes.  Sometimes, the right interventions can still lead to a bad outcome.  Conversely, not doing the right interventions can sometimes result in a good outcome.

We all know that smoking cigarettes is bad for one’s health, and yet there are still outliers who live a long life despite smoking a pack a day.  We all know that eating healthy and exercising regularly promotes health and well-being, and yet there are people who do all that and still die of cancer or heart attack in their 40s.  Neither of those outlier cases invalidate the negative effects of smoking or the beneficial effects of healthy diet & exercise.

In Jeff’s example, he had a good outcome against the odds.  He rolled the dice and got lucky.  If that scenario played out 100x, the majority of the time he wouldn’t have had the same positive outcome.  Extrapolating his particular case to all cases of kidney stones is fallacious thinking.

Hope that helps.

[Matt]

Yeah i guess he Googled it 

I Googled that only 1,159 of 23,426,916 Canadians under age 50 died of Covid, meaning that over 99.995% survived, after 3.5 years of this pandemic farce.

I also Googled that most of those 1,159 who did die had cancer or other terminal illnesses, making the Covid survival rate in my demographic 100%.

So I didn't get vaccinated. My doctor did.

Was I wrong?

Was joswift wrong?

[Gym Rat]

A lot of Dr's are garbage, lots are great... Up to the patient to research and find out, and to choose a good one if needed.
Some are very fat, retarded, smoking slobs... Dont get stuck w/ a dumb-ass and just follow dumb advices...

[JackTheRipper]

I Googled that only 1,159 of 23,426,916 Canadians under age 50 died of Covid, meaning that over 99.995% survived, after 3.5 years of this pandemic farce.

I also Googled that most of those 1,159 who did die had cancer or other terminal illnesses, making the Covid survival rate in my demographic 100%.

So I didn't get vaccinated. My doctor did.

Was I wrong?

Was joswift wrong?

Time will tell luck always runs out

[Tapeworm]

Do your own research and don't blindly follow a doctor's advices.

Huh. I didn't know guys who drove trains were so brainy.

[IroNat]

[Hulkotron]

Medicine (and science as a whole) deals with probabilities.  Medical practice should be based on the interventions that have the highest chance of good outcomes.  Sometimes, the right interventions can still lead to a bad outcome.  Conversely, not doing the right interventions can sometimes result in a good outcome.

We all know that smoking cigarettes is bad for one’s health, and yet there are still outliers who live a long life despite smoking a pack a day.  We all know that eating healthy and exercising regularly promotes health and well-being, and yet there are people who do all that and still die of cancer or heart attack in their 40s.  Neither of those outlier cases invalidate the negative effects of smoking or the beneficial effects of healthy diet & exercise.

In Jeff’s example, he had a good outcome against the odds.  He rolled the dice and got lucky.  If that scenario played out 100x, the majority of the time he wouldn’t have had the same positive outcome.  Extrapolating his particular case to all cases of kidney stones is fallacious thinking.

Hope that helps.

Science in general deals with what happens "on average".  Medicine is more about what happens to an individual or how to best treat an individual.  I'm not a doctor, but that is the hard part of medicine, I'd imagine.

[bigkid]

Physicians in America are among the best-trained professionals out there.  The high salaries attract the best minds, although perhaps not all are “smart”.  It’s good to be informed and question medical guidance with a critical eye, but it’s quite arrogant to think that a layperson would know better than a medical doctor.

That might have been true 30+ years ago.  Many of the most average people I know became doctors.  Many more medical schools these days, especially in the islands.  Now surgeons are a different story but your average internist  is by no means guaranteed to be a smart person these days.

[SOMEPARTS]

That might have been true 30+ years ago.  Many of the most average people I know became doctors.  Many more medical schools these days, especially in the islands.  Now surgeons are a different story but your average internist  is by no means guaranteed to be a smart person these days.

Agreed, there are some very talented surgeons and the technology in that part of the field has increased good outcomes.

There has been a brain drain to tech and financials. Most small hospital systems in the USA are staffed by MD doctors who received their initial degrees in other home countries then transferred here to put their time in. They are not the best of the best. I have seen these types come and go with my parent's medical issues.

In general being a doctor does not attract the critical thinker. It attracts good students of rote knowledge. In short, you aren't going to run into Dr. House in today's medical system. They do what they are told, by the book.

[Fortress]

I have come to realize that, indeed, a great many medical doctors are not particularly intelligent.

Like most every institution, the practice has been massively corrupted, too.

Outside of prescription and surgery, the average person is better off to tend to his own health matters.

[Megalodon]

Covid experts taught us never to read about a subject unless we are involved in that subject professionally.

I buy whatever car my car dealer tells me. He's the expert. Only idiots take it upon themselves to research. Who told you you could read, peasant? 

[Bevo]

Physicians in America are among the best-trained professionals out there.  The high salaries attract the best minds, although perhaps not all are “smart”.  It’s good to be informed and question medical guidance with a critical eye, but it’s quite arrogant to think that a layperson would know better than a medical doctor.

Getbiggers are their own doctors, just look at bhanky

[joswift]

Covid experts taught us never to read about a subject unless we are involved in that subject professionally.

I buy whatever car my car dealer tells me. He's the expert. Only idiots take it upon themselves to research. Who told you you could read, peasant? 

he sells you the car thats going to benefit him the most , not you, fucks sake mate.

[Megalodon]

he sells you the car thats going to benefit him the most , not you, fucks sake mate.

Right. Because I certainly wasn't being sarcastic.

[JackTheRipper]

he sells you the car thats going to benefit him the most , not you, fucks sake mate.

like your Doctor who gives you, your anti-depression pills.
Double egged sword son but you just don´t get it.