Lex Fridman speaks to Palestinians in the West Bank.

[Matt]

Check this out:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

^ IMO, that is evidence that Hitler's policy on Jews was initially one of emigration, not extermination. He did allude to a Holocaust if Germany was dragged into another war, by what he deemed Jewish influence in the press and in international finance.

Which makes me wonder - why antagonize someone who promised that, who had the means to carry it out?

Makes me think elite Jews either wanted to Holocaust [for sympathy for a Jewish homeland, or to cull their lower IQ members, given how selective Jews are as to who becomes a Jew or not], or didn't take Hitler seriously.

I'm not sure which.

But Hitler would have never planned to relocate Jews to Madagascar if he had a plan of Jewish extermination from the start.

Maybe it was just a matter of not thinking Whites/Gentiles ever push back, and losing control of the situation.

You'd think if a world leader as powerful as Hitler was threatens a Holocaust, you would take him seriously.

This is a good article, written by a Jewish scholar:

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

^ Jews have not committed crimes against humanity to that extent since Hitler. So he clearly factors in the Jewish collective consciousness at some level.

What I can't stand is the one-sided nature of this topic.

I agree that Jews were scapegoated - but common Jews were scapegoated for the actions of elite Jews...like Lazar Kaganovich, who perpetrated the Ukrainian Famine [Holodolor].

To make it sound like everything outlined in that YNetNews article didn't happen...that's ridiculous.

Although normal Jews being killed over what Kaganovich or the Rothschilds did isn't fair. But we have this conversation like none of that happened.

[AbrahamG]

Matt - I'm with you on Israel until you start up on Hitler, the Rothschilds, etc. To me the creation of Israel was botched. It is now 75 years old and their actions are losing the support of the world not just the Arab world. It is heading in the direction of apartheid. That will spell the beginning of its end. Young people here aren't going to be riddled with guilt over the Holocaust and are just not going to support it. Let me be clear in my belief that the Holocaust happened and yes, in the numbers reported. I support Never Again which is why 2 states is the only way. Ron is right when he says bad actors on each side sabotage any hope of this. Residue is correct in that since Israel has all the power that their actions are going to drive new generations of young Arabs into the arms of terrorists.

[GymnJuice]

Matt - I'm with you on Israel until you start up on Hitler, the Rothschilds, etc. To me the creation of Israel was botched. It is now 75 years old and their actions are losing the support of the world not just the Arab world. It is heading in the direction of apartheid. That will spell the beginning of its end. Young people here aren't going to be riddled with guilt over the Holocaust and are just not going to support it. Let me be clear in my belief that the Holocaust happened and yes, in the numbers reported. I support Never Again which is why 2 states is the only way. Ron is right when he says bad actors on each side sabotage any hope of this. Residue is correct in that since Israel has all the power that their actions are going to drive new generations of young Arabs into the arms of terrorists.

I doubt there will be any peaceful solution regardless of Israel agreeing to a 2 state solution or Palestinians agreeing to Israel's right to exist. Even if those 2 things happen, they will be at war with each other within a few decades.

[Phantom Spunker]

This one isn't religion, matt's right in that zionists are disgusting monsters, barely better than nazis. I grew up drinking the koolaid, it wasn't until is served in the idf that you see how we basically turn these people into terrorists or how we've actively squash any potential growth or future they can have

It takes integrity for someone from your background to admit that. Respect.

[illuminati]

Interesting that in general population Both Jews & Muslim's are disliked
and not trusted - Jews & muslim's also hate each other.

I know just get rid of them all or only let them stay in their own countries. 

2023 & this stupid nonsense is going on - We'v really not moved very far forwards.   

[Ron]

Fuque Palestinians.  They are the Chicagoans of the Desert

No, most Palestinians are good people, who want to live in peace. But the fanatic right, if they even say so, will have them killed.

Jews & muslim's also hate each other

Many, many do not - but it is the far right on both sides that drive the hatred and fear mongering.

You'd think if a world leader as powerful as Hitler was threatens a Holocaust, you would take him seriously.

It is because the world didn't want to be a part of it, as it was 'not their problem'.  Until it was.  20 million were killed, 6 millions Jews.

Not really surprising you're an epic fatass given how much Zionist bullshit you swallow. And it's moot, not mute

Of course, as usual, a discussion and dialogue always has to have the one that calls out names, instead of some beneficial material. And it is mute.  Aka silent, quiet. Can't have a discussion when one side doesnt even acknowledge a countries right to exist. When they decide to be be silent and remove it from their code, maybe things can get better. Might take another generation or two to happen.

their actions are going to drive new generations of young Arabs into the arms of terrorists

Sadly, both right wingers have an influence in this.   I don't have any answer for a solution, I don't think anyone does at the moment, but a spark of recognizing the right to exist might help a little.   AS for discussion, I do believe in the right of free speech.  I do not believe in the right to use that free speech for threats, calling out violence, and especially, attacking others just for the fun of it.

[Matt]

No, most Palestinians are good people, who want to live in peace.

 

Come on, Ron...it would be nice to all get along. I understand the Palestinian plight. I get it.

As Van Bilderass alluded to, the issue isn't so much about Jews displacing Palestinians, but the hypocrisy of strong borders for Jews [rightfully so], but not for the West/Europe.

I say: strong borders for EVERYONE.

A comparison is often made with Palestinians in Israel and Indigenous people in Canada. But Indigenous people DO commit most of the murders in my city. And WHAT can be tried to make things work in Israel that hasn't been tried?

?

In Canada, no amount of free college/dental care, etc, has improved the lot in life for our Indigenous people. In fact...big monetary handouts hurt my cousin.

My cousins are half-Ojibwe from Emo First Nation.

I just feel diversity does not work, and forcing it doesn't change that. It's sad, but...I see no other truth right now.

[residue]

It takes integrity for someone from your background to admit that. Respect.

I'm uniquely qualified in this topic, certainly here anyway. My family is mizrahi we never left, we lived with the arabs for hundreds of years. A lot/most of these folks don't have basic infrastructure, we have bombed them back into the 1800's all because of hamas. In reality Hamas is just a puppet of the Iranian and Qatari governments, yeah they fund shit like schools, running water and hospitals to keep hamas in power, but that comes with a price. So people are left with an impossible choice, watch their kids starve/die of some curable disease or participate in terrorism.


And as political as this board is, people cant understand what it's like having a government that doesn't actually represent the people? that's what happening there too, people are being punished because of the actions of hamas who dont represent the people but represent foreign governments

[residue]

Come on, Ron...it would be nice to all get along. I understand the Palestinian plight. I get it.

As Van Bilderass alluded to, the issue isn't so much about Jews displacing Palestinians, but the hypocrisy of strong borders for Jews [rightfully so], but not for the West/Europe.

I say: strong borders for EVERYONE.

A comparison is often made with Palestinians in Israel and Indigenous people in Canada. But Indigenous people DO commit most of the murders in my city. And WHAT can be tried to make things work in Israel that hasn't been tried?

?

In Canada, no amount of free college/dental care, etc, has improved the lot in life for our Indigenous people. In fact...big monetary handouts hurt my cousin.

My cousins are half-Ojibwe from Emo First Nation.

I just feel diversity does not work, and forcing it doesn't change that. It's sad, but...I see no other truth right now.

if you want to make a comparison with the fist nation to Palestinians, compare modern day Palestine to the first nation of the 17 and 1800's. 

[illuminati]

I'm uniquely qualified in this topic, certainly here anyway. My family is mizrahi we never left, we lived with the arabs for hundreds of years. A lot/most of these folks don't have basic infrastructure, we have bombed them back into the 1800's all because of hamas. In reality Hamas is just a puppet of the Iranian and Qatari governments, yeah they fund shit like schools, running water and hospitals to keep hamas in power, but that comes with a price. So people are left with an impossible choice, watch their kids starve/die of some curable disease or participate in terrorism.


And as political as this board is, people cant understand what it's like having a government that doesn't actually represent the people? that's what happening there too, people are being punished because of the actions of hamas who dont represent the people but represent foreign governments

That sounds very similar in a way to US, UK & many other European countries
Governments aren't listing to its people & are controlled by an outside
Group with it's own agenda.

[The Scott]

I'm uniquely qualified in this topic, certainly here anyway. My family is mizrahi we never left, we lived with the arabs for hundreds of years. A lot/most of these folks don't have basic infrastructure, we have bombed them back into the 1800's all because of hamas. In reality Hamas is just a puppet of the Iranian and Qatari governments, yeah they fund shit like schools, running water and hospitals to keep hamas in power, but that comes with a price. So people are left with an impossible choice, watch their kids starve/die of some curable disease or participate in terrorism.


And as political as this board is, people cant understand what it's like having a government that doesn't actually represent the people? that's what happening there too, people are being punished because of the actions of hamas who dont represent the people but represent foreign governments

So then, you still reside amongst the siliconegroes?  You have never left, correct?