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#3. Third time's the charm.
« on: August 01, 2023, 03:13:32 PM »
Is it "debunked" yet?  Of course not.  But I am sure just like the last "debunking" where the evidence was listed online, on the State AG website, court records, and video of the AG stating the very words herself, that these charges too are "debunked."   :D

Oh wait, they are not.  So let's just get on with the denial, distraction, deflections, excuse making, TDfS, and off topic replies.

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Re: #3. Third time's the charm.
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2023, 03:22:31 PM »
…and more money and another bump in the polls. Keep ‘em coming lmao

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Re: #3. Third time's the charm.
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2023, 05:31:50 PM »
…and more money and another bump in the polls. Keep ‘em coming lmao

Which is meaningless overall.    “lmao”

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Re: #3. Third time's the charm.
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2023, 06:26:19 PM »
Also named :

 Co-Conspirator 1 is former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani.

Among other things, the indictment quotes from a voicemail that Co-Conspirator 1 left “for a United States Senator” on January 6, 2021. The quotes in the indictment match quotes from Giuliani’s call intended for GOP Sen. Tommy Tuberville, as reported by CNN and other outlets.

Ted Goodman, a political adviser to Giuliani, said in a statement that “every fact Mayor Rudy Giuliani possesses about this case establishes the good faith basis President Donald Trump had for the actions he took during the two-month period charged in the indictment,” adding that the indictment “eviscerates the First Amendment.”
Co-Conspirator 2 is former Trump lawyer John Eastman.

Among other things, the indictment says Co-Conspirator 2 “circulated a two-page memorandum” with a plan for Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 election while presiding over the Electoral College certification on January 6, 2021. The indictment quotes from the memo, and those quotes match a two-page memo that Eastman wrote, as reported and published by CNN.

CNN has reached to an attorney for Eastman.
Co-Conspirator 3 is former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell.

The indictment says Co-Conspirator 3 “filed a lawsuit against the Governor of Georgia” on November 25, 2020, alleging “massive election fraud” and that the lawsuit was “dismissed” on December 7, 2020. These dates and quotations match the federal lawsuit that Powell filed against Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp.

An attorney for Powell declined to comment.
Co-Conspirator 4 is former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark.

The indictment identifies Co-Conspirator 4 as “a Justice Department official.” The indictment also quotes an email that a top Justice Department official sent to Clark, rebutting Clark’s attempts to use the department to overturn the election. The quotes in that email directly match quotes in an email sent to Clark, according to a Senate report about how Trump tried to weaponize the Justice Department in 2020.

CNN has reached out to an attorney for Clark.
Co-Conspirator 5 is pro-Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro.

Among other things, the indictment references an “email memorandum” that Co-Conspirator 5 “sent” to Giuliani on December 13, 2020, about the fake electors plot. The email sender, recipient, date, and content are a direct match for an email that Chesebro sent to Giuliani, according to a copy of the email made public by the House select committee that investigated January 6.

CNN has reached out to an attorney for Chesebro.

The identity of Co-Conspirator 6 is unclear.

The indictment says they are “a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.” The indictment also further ties this person to the fake elector slate in Pennsylvania.

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but... but... the fake electors has been debunked.  I read it from a retard on here.

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Re: #3. Third time's the charm.
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2023, 06:30:29 PM »
Gotta love these quotes.  Because they are so true.

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"Trump's litigation playbook consists of merely a few pages," said James Sample, a professor at Hofstra University's School of Law. "He makes sweeping boasts in the court of public opinion. His filings whisper narrowly when he is governed by the rules of evidence. This scenario was best illustrated by his election challenges. Court after court found that his public boasts were the evidentiary equivalent of bounced checks."

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“When the Acting Attorney General told the Defendant that the Justice Department could not and would not change the outcome of the election, the Defendant responded, ‘Just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen,’” the indictment states.

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“The Vice President responded that he thought there was no constitutional basis for such authority and that it was improper,” the indictment states. “In response, the Defendant [Trump] told the Vice President, ‘you’re too honest.’”

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“As early as mid-November, for instance, the Senior Campaign Advisor had informed the Defendant that his claims of a large number of dead voters in Georgia were untrue,” the indictment reads.

In an email, that campaign adviser lamented, “you can see why we’re 0-32 on our [court] cases. I’ll obviously help on all fronts, but it’s tough to own any of this when it’s all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.”

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“Today’s indictment serves as an important reminder: Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States,” Pence said in a statement






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Re: #3. Third time's the charm.
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2023, 06:32:36 PM »
Gotta love these quotes.  Because they are so true.

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"Trump's litigation playbook consists of merely a few pages," said James Sample, a professor at Hofstra University's School of Law. "He makes sweeping boasts in the court of public opinion. His filings whisper narrowly when he is governed by the rules of evidence. This scenario was best illustrated by his election challenges. Court after court found that his public boasts were the evidentiary equivalent of bounced checks."

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“When the Acting Attorney General told the Defendant that the Justice Department could not and would not change the outcome of the election, the Defendant responded, ‘Just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen,’” the indictment states.

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“The Vice President responded that he thought there was no constitutional basis for such authority and that it was improper,” the indictment states. “In response, the Defendant [Trump] told the Vice President, ‘you’re too honest.’”

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“As early as mid-November, for instance, the Senior Campaign Advisor had informed the Defendant that his claims of a large number of dead voters in Georgia were untrue,” the indictment reads.

In an email, that campaign adviser lamented, “you can see why we’re 0-32 on our [court] cases. I’ll obviously help on all fronts, but it’s tough to own any of this when it’s all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.”

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“Today’s indictment serves as an important reminder: Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States,” Pence said in a statement






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Re: #3. Third time's the charm.
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2023, 06:39:19 PM »
Thanks for securing Trumps re-election 😂😂😂

It hasn't happened yet midget.  But if you say so, the opposite must be true.  And pretty sure after losing the 2020 and 2022 elections he won't win this upcoming one either.

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Re: #3. Third time's the charm.
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2023, 06:54:24 PM »
 ;D  hahahaha.  The walls at Mar-A-Lardo are gonna run red tonight.  Better buy more stock in Heinz.


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Re: #3. Third time's the charm.
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2023, 07:06:07 AM »
The evidence......   it's so,.....   IMPLICATING.    :D

It's a beautiful indictment.  Just beautiful.  It's the perfect indictment.  The biggest, most perfect one ever.  Everyone says they have never seen an indictment so beautiful.  He's got the best indictments.  BELIEVE ME!

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https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Six+Things+We+Learned+From+the+New+Trump+Indictment

Six Things We Learned From the New Trump Indictment
The new charges against Donald Trump may not be the first indictment against the former president, but they almost certainly include the most serious charges.

The indictment itself—a 45-page document laying out Trump’s scheme to subvert democracy and remain in power after he lost the 2020 election—includes a number of new revelations.

Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, as well as his actions on Jan. 6, have been well documented. Congress dedicated an entire special committee to showing how Trump acted inappropriately—or didn’t act at all—as rioters attacked the Capitol. But DOJ special prosecutor Jack Smith was still able to unearth new details that have never been previously disclosed.

Here are the top six revelations contained within Tuesday’s indictment:

Trump Was Trying to Delay Election Certification During the Jan. 6 Attack

The indictment notes that after it became clear Vice President Mike Pence “would not fraudulently alter the election results,” the attack on the U.S. Capitol halted the Electoral certification. “As violence ensued,” the indictment claims, “the Defendant and co-conspirators exploited the disruption by redoubling efforts to levy false claims of election fraud and convince Members of Congress to further delay the certification based on those claims.”

If true, that means Trump wasn’t just sitting on his hands during the Jan. 6 Capitol attack; he was actually pushing harder to delay the certification in his overall goal of overturning the election.

That evidence could show Trump’s intentions and highlight the former president’s slow action to deploy National Guard troops at the Capitol.
During and After Violence at the Capitol, Trump and Giuliani Kept Pressuring GOP Lawmakers to Delay Certification


It has been known that Trump personally called Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) on the afternoon of Jan. 6, though he apparently dialed Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) by accident first.

But the indictment reveals for the first time the extent of Trump and Giuliani’s efforts to continue pushing lawmakers to delay the certification process, during and after the worst of the violence at the Capitol. None of these lawmakers were named in the indictment.

At 6:01 p.m., Trump finally urged rioters to “go home in love & peace.” According to the indictment, at 6:00 p.m., Trump—through aides—attempted to reach two senators on the phone.

An hour later, Giuliani placed calls to five congressmen and one senator. At the same time, Co-conspirator Number 6 was attempting to track down phone numbers for six more senators that Trump had directed Giuliani to contact.

Giuliani left a voicemail for a senator in which he said: “We need you, our Republican friends, to try to just slow it down so we can get these legislatures to get more information to you. And I know they’re reconvening at eight tonight but the only strategy we can follow is to object to numerous states and raise issues so that we get ourselves into tomorrow—ideally until the end of tomorrow.”

In another voicemail, Giuliani repeated false claims about 2020 election fraud, said Pence’s actions were surprising, and asked the senator to “object to every state and kind of spread this out a little bit like a filibuster.”

Trump Loyalists Welcomed Possibility of Widespread Violence and Suggested Martial Law

During a meeting on Jan. 3, Co-conspirator Number 4 spoke to Patrick Philbin, the Deputy White House Counsel, who warned that “there would be riots in every major city in the United States” if Trump remained in office. Co-Conspirator Number 4 replied to Philbin, “that’s why there’s an Insurrection Act.” That law, enacted in 1807, empowers the president to deploy federal troops within the United States to suppress civil disorder.

Then, on Jan. 4, a Trump Senior Adviser told Co-Conspirator Number 2 that their plan to overturn the election would cause “riots in the streets.” At that point, according to the indictment, Co-Conspirator Number 2 said that there had been points in American history when violence was necessary to preserve the country.

Trump Personally Reinserted Language Attacking Pence Into His Jan. 6 Speech

The indictment claims that, at 11:15 a.m., Trump called Pence once again and “pressured him to fraudulently reject or return Biden' legitimate electoral votes.” Pence once again refused.

“Immediately after the call, the Defendant decided to single out the Vice President in public remarks he would make within the hour, reinserting language that he had personally drafted earlier that morning falsely claiming that the Vice President had authority to send electoral votes to the states but that advisers had previously successfully advocated be removed.”

We knew Trump had inserted language going after Pence into his Jan. 6 speech. But we didn’t know that aides had removed that language—only to have Trump reinsert the language again.

Trump Privately Said He’d “Give” a National Security Crisis “To The Next Guy”

On Jan. 3, Trump indicated he knew he was imminently leaving office during a meeting with top national security officials. According to the indictment, Gen. Mark Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, briefed Trump on an unspecified “overseas national security issue”—which had previously come up in December—and presented options for Trump to address it.

When Milley and another official advised Trump against acting on the situation so close to the transfer of power, the president agreed. “Yeah, you’re right, it’s too late for us,” Trump said. “We’re going to give that to the next guy.”

Mike Pence Took ‘Contemporaneous Notes’ of a Damning Meeting With Trump

The indictment notes that Pence took “contemporaneous notes” during one meeting with Trump and alleged co-conspirator John Eastman. The indictment alleges that Trump “knowingly false claims of election fraud” during that meeting.

“Bottom line won every state by 100,000s of votes," Trump said, according to Pence’s notes. The president claimed he “won every state” and asked about a claim that senior Justice Department officials had previously had told him was false—the alleged claim that there were 205,000 more votes than voters in Pennsylvania.

According to Pence’s notes, Eastman asked Pence to either unilaterally reject the legitimate electors from seven states that Trump wanted to dispute, or to at least send the question of which slate of electors was legitimate back to state legislatures.

Pence purportedly challenged Eastman on whether he was allowed to do that. "Well, nobody's tested it before,” Eastman said, according to Pence’s notes.

Pence apparently seized on that to challenge Trump. "Did you hear that? Even your own counsel is not saying I have that authority," he allegedly said. Trump then told Pence that was OK because he preferred the first option—Pence just unilaterally rejecting the legitimate electors—anyway.
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Re: #3. Third time's the charm.
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2023, 07:43:13 AM »
The evidence......   it's so,.....   IMPLICATING.    :D

It's a beautiful indictment.  Just beautiful.  It's the perfect indictment.  The biggest, most perfect one ever.  Everyone says they have never seen an indictment so beautiful.  He's got the best indictments.  BELIEVE ME!

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https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Six+Things+We+Learned+From+the+New+Trump+Indictment

Six Things We Learned From the New Trump Indictment
The new charges against Donald Trump may not be the first indictment against the former president, but they almost certainly include the most serious charges.

The indictment itself—a 45-page document laying out Trump’s scheme to subvert democracy and remain in power after he lost the 2020 election—includes a number of new revelations.

Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, as well as his actions on Jan. 6, have been well documented. Congress dedicated an entire special committee to showing how Trump acted inappropriately—or didn’t act at all—as rioters attacked the Capitol. But DOJ special prosecutor Jack Smith was still able to unearth new details that have never been previously disclosed.

Here are the top six revelations contained within Tuesday’s indictment:

Trump Was Trying to Delay Election Certification During the Jan. 6 Attack

The indictment notes that after it became clear Vice President Mike Pence “would not fraudulently alter the election results,” the attack on the U.S. Capitol halted the Electoral certification. “As violence ensued,” the indictment claims, “the Defendant and co-conspirators exploited the disruption by redoubling efforts to levy false claims of election fraud and convince Members of Congress to further delay the certification based on those claims.”

If true, that means Trump wasn’t just sitting on his hands during the Jan. 6 Capitol attack; he was actually pushing harder to delay the certification in his overall goal of overturning the election.

That evidence could show Trump’s intentions and highlight the former president’s slow action to deploy National Guard troops at the Capitol.
During and After Violence at the Capitol, Trump and Giuliani Kept Pressuring GOP Lawmakers to Delay Certification


It has been known that Trump personally called Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) on the afternoon of Jan. 6, though he apparently dialed Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) by accident first.

But the indictment reveals for the first time the extent of Trump and Giuliani’s efforts to continue pushing lawmakers to delay the certification process, during and after the worst of the violence at the Capitol. None of these lawmakers were named in the indictment.

At 6:01 p.m., Trump finally urged rioters to “go home in love & peace.” According to the indictment, at 6:00 p.m., Trump—through aides—attempted to reach two senators on the phone.

An hour later, Giuliani placed calls to five congressmen and one senator. At the same time, Co-conspirator Number 6 was attempting to track down phone numbers for six more senators that Trump had directed Giuliani to contact.

Giuliani left a voicemail for a senator in which he said: “We need you, our Republican friends, to try to just slow it down so we can get these legislatures to get more information to you. And I know they’re reconvening at eight tonight but the only strategy we can follow is to object to numerous states and raise issues so that we get ourselves into tomorrow—ideally until the end of tomorrow.”

In another voicemail, Giuliani repeated false claims about 2020 election fraud, said Pence’s actions were surprising, and asked the senator to “object to every state and kind of spread this out a little bit like a filibuster.”

Trump Loyalists Welcomed Possibility of Widespread Violence and Suggested Martial Law

During a meeting on Jan. 3, Co-conspirator Number 4 spoke to Patrick Philbin, the Deputy White House Counsel, who warned that “there would be riots in every major city in the United States” if Trump remained in office. Co-Conspirator Number 4 replied to Philbin, “that’s why there’s an Insurrection Act.” That law, enacted in 1807, empowers the president to deploy federal troops within the United States to suppress civil disorder.

Then, on Jan. 4, a Trump Senior Adviser told Co-Conspirator Number 2 that their plan to overturn the election would cause “riots in the streets.” At that point, according to the indictment, Co-Conspirator Number 2 said that there had been points in American history when violence was necessary to preserve the country.

Trump Personally Reinserted Language Attacking Pence Into His Jan. 6 Speech

The indictment claims that, at 11:15 a.m., Trump called Pence once again and “pressured him to fraudulently reject or return Biden' legitimate electoral votes.” Pence once again refused.

“Immediately after the call, the Defendant decided to single out the Vice President in public remarks he would make within the hour, reinserting language that he had personally drafted earlier that morning falsely claiming that the Vice President had authority to send electoral votes to the states but that advisers had previously successfully advocated be removed.”

We knew Trump had inserted language going after Pence into his Jan. 6 speech. But we didn’t know that aides had removed that language—only to have Trump reinsert the language again.

Trump Privately Said He’d “Give” a National Security Crisis “To The Next Guy”

On Jan. 3, Trump indicated he knew he was imminently leaving office during a meeting with top national security officials. According to the indictment, Gen. Mark Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, briefed Trump on an unspecified “overseas national security issue”—which had previously come up in December—and presented options for Trump to address it.

When Milley and another official advised Trump against acting on the situation so close to the transfer of power, the president agreed. “Yeah, you’re right, it’s too late for us,” Trump said. “We’re going to give that to the next guy.”

Mike Pence Took ‘Contemporaneous Notes’ of a Damning Meeting With Trump

The indictment notes that Pence took “contemporaneous notes” during one meeting with Trump and alleged co-conspirator John Eastman. The indictment alleges that Trump “knowingly false claims of election fraud” during that meeting.

“Bottom line won every state by 100,000s of votes," Trump said, according to Pence’s notes. The president claimed he “won every state” and asked about a claim that senior Justice Department officials had previously had told him was false—the alleged claim that there were 205,000 more votes than voters in Pennsylvania.

According to Pence’s notes, Eastman asked Pence to either unilaterally reject the legitimate electors from seven states that Trump wanted to dispute, or to at least send the question of which slate of electors was legitimate back to state legislatures.

Pence purportedly challenged Eastman on whether he was allowed to do that. "Well, nobody's tested it before,” Eastman said, according to Pence’s notes.

Pence apparently seized on that to challenge Trump. "Did you hear that? Even your own counsel is not saying I have that authority," he allegedly said. Trump then told Pence that was OK because he preferred the first option—Pence just unilaterally rejecting the legitimate electors—anyway.
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Re: #3. Third time's the charm.
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2023, 04:58:28 PM »
…and more money and another bump in the polls. Keep ‘em coming lmao

It never ceases to surprise me that there are so many gullible suckers in the world who get taken in by charlatans and thieves like Trump. Let’s hope he never pulls the Jim Jones tainted Kool-Aid trick on them. The Trump ‘MAGA’ folks would end up as Trump ‘NADA’ folks and would truly be sad. 

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Re: #3. Third time's the charm.
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2023, 05:18:45 PM »
It never ceases to surprise me that there are so many gullible suckers in the world who get taken in by charlatans and thieves like Trump. Let’s hope he never pulls the Jim Jones tainted Kool-Aid trick on them. The Trump ‘MAGA’ folks would end up as Trump ‘NADA’ folks and would truly be sad.

Hmmmmm 🙄   

"It never ceases to surprise me that there are so many gullible suckers in the world who get taken in by charlatans" 

Really!!

Strange you didn't & don't think that way about the China Virus & T.E.Vaccines Scam  ::)

Just goes to show how different folks maybe fooled by different things.

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Re: #3. Third time's the charm.
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2023, 05:20:28 PM »
It never ceases to surprise me that there are so many gullible suckers in the world who get taken in by charlatans and thieves like Trump. Let’s hope he never pulls the Jim Jones tainted Kool-Aid trick on them. The Trump ‘MAGA’ folks would end up as Trump ‘NADA’ folks and would truly be sad.

I am kind of hoping he does.  It will be the only time he actually does drain the swamp and raises the collective IQ of the nation as a whole.

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