How Are Republicans Going to Figure Out Abortion?

[Lartinos]

This is a wedge issue that the states can handle.

[JackTheRipper]

No rights are "inherent", they are all granted to you by other people

Your "right to life" is protected by other people, if it wasnt someone could just kill you any time they liked

Rights came along with laws.

yes but you seem to forget this

[joswift]

yes but you seem to forget this

I have had this mindset for the last 40 years, "Human rights are nonsense on stilts"

Go look it up

[JackTheRipper]

I have had this mindset for the last 40 years, "Human rights are nonsense on stilts"

Go look it up

[BBSSchlemiel]

Jesus you are fucking daft, women couldn't vote until what? 1920? spousal rape was legal until the 80s? mid 70's for a bank account?

No woman should ever be raped! I believe rapists deserve the death penalty.

I don’t think women should vote.

I don’t feel bad they didn’t have bank accounts, though I think they should have them now.

Should I take cues for treatment of women and morality from you?

[Method101]

Abortion is Eugenic and all right wingers should be in full support of state sponsored abortion, more intelligent women do not get accidentally pregnant in most cases and they plan getting pregnant intentionally, stupid people require abortions because they have low impulse control and aren't intelligent enough to use contraception correctly.

[BBSSchlemiel]

Abortion is Eugenic and all right wingers should be in full support of state sponsored abortion, more intelligent women do not get accidentally pregnant in most cases and they plan getting pregnant intentionally, stupid people require abortions because they have low impulse control and aren't intelligent enough to use contraception correctly.

Wouldn’t sterilization of morons and criminals and sociopaths do the job then, which is what early American eugenicists wanted?

[Method101]

Wouldn’t sterilization of morons and criminals and sociopaths do the job then, which is what early American eugenicists wanted?

Yes that would work but that is off the table in America today, both parties know that pandering to the morons is how they get votes not by promising to sterilize them. The democrats wouldn't even dare to financially disincentivize them from having a lot of children because they know the lowest elements of society that depend on those financial benefits are their biggest voting base.

[Henda]

I may be one of the only right wingers out there who think abortion should be legal. Just imagine how many more useless people will be born if abortion is illegal.

Fully agree mate, also if a woman’s a dumb enough bitch to get pregnant unplanned these days there’s a high likelihood she’s one of the useless waste of space lifetime benefit recipients and the child will grow up the same meaning even bigger welfare bill. Plus half these men opposing abortion would sharp change their tune if they impregnated someone behind their lasses back

[BBSSchlemiel]

Yes that would work but that is off the table in America today, both parties know that pandering to the morons is how they get votes not by promising to sterilize them. The democrats wouldn't even dare to financially disincentivize them from having a lot of children because they know the lowest elements of society are their biggest voting base.

Right.

Recommended reading: https://www.amazon.com/Case-Sterilization-Classic-Reprint/dp/1331646669

[joswift]

Fully agree mate, also if a woman’s a dumb enough bitch to get pregnant unplanned these days there’s a high likelihood she’s one of the useless waste of space lifetime benefit recipients and the child will grow up the same meaning even bigger welfare bill. Plus half these men opposing abortion would sharp change their tune if they impregnated someone behind their lasses back

If no one was on welfare all the staff at the welfare dept would be unemployed
Countries have social care systems because it creates wealth believe it or not

[Method101]

If no one was on welfare all the staff at the welfare dept would be unemployed
Countries have social care systems because it creates wealth believe it or not

It reallocates the wealth from the taxpayer and the nation largely into the coffers of multinational corporations that is not wealth creation.

[joswift]

It reallocates the wealth from the taxpayer and the nation largely into the coffers of multinational corporations that is not wealth creation.

Welfare people pay tax on their benefits, imagine how much tax is created from the hundreds of millions allocated to people on welfare

All money is simply a debt, its to keep societies in a perpetual state of debt

Take a mortgage for example, you take out a loan to buy a house, they create 200k say out of thin air and loan it to you on the "promise" that you will pay it back and then own the home.
Up until the final payment that house still belongs to the bank (or at least a lien on it) and if you cant pay they take it back, you get nada back.

Money is a complicated business, shame they dont teach about money creation in schools, then again they dont want people to know how fucked up it really is.

[mphgrove]

This is a wedge issue that the states can handle.

This answers my question directly and I actually agree that it is the most practical way for Republican presidential candidates to handle it:

“President Trump delivered on his promise to appoint a conservative Supreme Court”

“They made their decision which is that the states should handle this, which is what the individual states are now doing based on what their citizens want.”

“We should not do anything at the federal level (“pro-choice” or “pro-life”) because this might be out of synch with what the people want.”

But most of the candidates (Trump might be the one exception) are afraid to say this, so they are squirming away and this will catch up with them.

[residue]

Abortion is Eugenic and all right wingers should be in full support of state sponsored abortion, more intelligent women do not get accidentally pregnant in most cases and they plan getting pregnant intentionally, stupid people require abortions because they have low impulse control and aren't intelligent enough to use contraception correctly.

Undesirables having babies is vital to the economy, you have to fill prisons the country needs cheap labor and the military needs fodder

[joswift]

Undesirables having babies is vital to the economy, you have to fill prisons the country needs cheap labor and the military needs fodder

yep, pretty much

[Rambone]

I’m more concerned about that squat machine that almost killed a man

[SOMEPARTS]

I’m more concerned about that squat machine that almost killed a man

[AbrahamG]

I may be one of the only right wingers out there who think abortion should be legal. Just imagine how many more useless people will be born if abortion is illegal.

Not singling you out Rob but in general, I'd like to hear from the right wingers who don't particularly care for black folks what would it look like if suddenly 500,000 more black babies were carried to term?  What would the impact be on crime, schools, prisons, property values, overpopulation, etc?

[BBSSchlemiel]

Not singling you out Rob but in general, I'd like to hear from the right wingers who don't particularly care for black folks what would it look like if suddenly 500,000 more black babies were carried to term?  What would the impact be on crime, schools, prisons, property values, overpopulation, etc?

I suppose I’m right wing, although I’m not a conservative. I’m fine with this because I’m consistent and I don’t base what I think is moral on whether or not more blacks will be born. Correcting our institutions would solve all the problems you listed, and that would include punishment and disciplinary action for criminals and sociopaths regardless of race.

I’m also big on freedom of association, which we don’t have. That would solve problems as well.

One of the reasons I’m against abortion is that the right to abortion is actually one of the various ways women take a shit on society. Other ways are pornography, covering themselves with tattoos, dying their hair in stupid colors, walking around half nude, and bedding down with scumbags.

[Phantom Spunker]

I have had this mindset for the last 40 years, "Human rights are nonsense on stilts"

Go look it up

It's worth pointing out that Bentham was a lifelong humanist (and one of our first public proponents of animal rights). It was specifically the concept of natural rights grounded in God, and the rhetoric around these rights that he railed against. You'd struggle to find anyone (other than Getbiggers) who'd argue that humans don't have some sort of moral claim to a minimum standard of treatment.

[joswift]

It's worth pointing out that Bentham was a lifelong humanist (and one of our first public proponents of animal rights). It was specifically the concept of natural rights grounded in God, and the rhetoric around these rights that he railed against. You'd struggle to find anyone (other than Getbiggers) who'd argue that humans don't have some sort of moral claim to a minimum standard of treatment.

Unfortunatly any rigfhts you think you have are granted by the society you live in

If you genuinly believe you have an inalienable right to life go backpacking alone around the shanty towns of South Africa see how that pans out.

[joswift]

I did that at the height of the taxi wars

I take it you are black then

[beakdoctor]

Of all the distractions that are constantly floated by the U.S. voter Abortion has to be the most idiotic.

I mean we are talking about something that is statistically irrelevant in our day-to-day lives.

In my WHOLE life Ive known of 2 people personally who've gotten abortions.  I don't know a single person currently who's considering getting an abortion and the last person I knew who had an abortion was 25 years ago.

Aside from that, abortions are still legal in the overwhelming majority of the states in the USA.

It's just a totally crazy concept to base your vote on.

[B_B_C]

I take it you are black then

no
although both I & my are big they have nothing to do with the profile name - it is bodybuilding related which in hindsight is unusual for this site