Utah Man Shot Dead By FBI Agents Was ‘Kind Person’ Who Posed No Real Threat

[Coach is Back!]

Let's see how this is :

Craig Deleeuw Robertson
1. "nice guy" - whatever that means
2. fat
3. walks with cane

who also :
4. made death threats against the POTUS
5. openly plotted the death of Alvin Braggs
6. openly made death threats against Merrick Garland
7. openly talked about dreaming of shooting Newsome
8. Taunted the FBI online and made veiled threats to keeping a gun handy for when they stopped by again
9.  Pointed a weapon at federal agents serving an arrest warrant on him for death threats against the president, interstate threats and retaliating against federal law enforcement.

Yeah sounds like a peaceful guy with no ill intentions in his head.  Only someone willfully stupid or just intellectually dishonest would try to spin this into something else.   

Dude, shut up.

[LurkerNoMore]

Reasonable deduction at the very least. Are you going to try to tell me they know nothing about him before they deployed how many FBI agents on his house and shot him how many times? He was 75 and barely walked. It was a hit.

The only "hit" that occurred was those bullets slamming into his body.  He earned those. 

[Coach is Back!]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/fbi-says-utah-man-who-allegedly-threatened-biden-was-killed-after-pointing-357-handgun-at-agents/ar-AA1fh1Hq

Hardly looks like an assassination. But the shooting will be investigated. FBI says it was justified, at this point, there is no reason to believe otherwise. Likely, no minds will change if the investigation concludes it was justified. The Coaches of the world will simply discount it. We'll probably see some body cam footage in the next couple weeks.

I stopped reading at “the FBI says”. What the fuck did you want them to say?

[LurkerNoMore]

I stopped reading at “the FBI says”. What the fuck did you want them to say?

Oh I expect them to say he was old, fat, and walked with a cane so they shot him to free up more oxygen for the rest of us healthy ones.

You  might watch out in that case.

[Agnostic007]

I stopped reading at “the FBI says”. What the fuck did you want them to say?

This is of course part of the problem. You discount ANY and All information if it doesn't align with your thinking. That is just a cult mentality. You, without being there, without having any information to support your allegation, have concluded it was a hit. I'm sure you'll dismiss any body cam footage as fake. Chaos posted earlier "you can't argue with stupid" and this is exactly what it looks like...

[Coach is Back!]

And this is why…

“Robertson was armed at the time of the shooting, according to two law enforcement sources who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss details of an ongoing investigation”

Utah is a constitutional carry (which is irrelevant here) and Stand your ground state with no duty to retreat. That being said, Agnostics article stated that he pointed a .357 at the FBI, the article I posted stated he was armed. Which he’s allowed to be.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/08/11/air-force-veteran-killed-after-threats-biden-believed-government-was-corrupt-overreaching.html/amp

[LurkerNoMore]

And this is why…

“Robertson was armed at the time of the shooting, according to two law enforcement sources who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss details of an ongoing investigation”

Utah is a constitutional carry (which is irrelevant here) and Stand your ground state with no duty to retreat. That being said, Agnostics article stated that he pointed a .357 at the FBI, the article I posted stated he was armed. Which he’s allowed to be.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/08/11/air-force-veteran-killed-after-threats-biden-believed-government-was-corrupt-overreaching.html/amp

Being armed and pointing a weapon at someone are two different things.  One is legal, the other is not.

This is EXACTLY why no one believes your stupid ass trains LE in anything.

 

R

[Agnostic007]

And this is why…

“Robertson was armed at the time of the shooting, according to two law enforcement sources who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity to discuss details of an ongoing investigation”

Utah is a constitutional carry (which is irrelevant here) and Stand your ground state with no duty to retreat. That being said, Agnostics article stated that he pointed a .357 at the FBI, the article I posted stated he was armed. Which he’s allowed to be.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/08/11/air-force-veteran-killed-after-threats-biden-believed-government-was-corrupt-overreaching.html/amp

"Ossola said he heard them tell Robertson to come outside and Robertson yelling back, saying he hadn’t committed any federal crimes."

The consensus so far is he was armed. Both articles state that. One article is more specific in that he pointed it at law enforcement. By the witnesses accounts, He knew they were there and he knew they were law enforcement. Even the family of the man says they hold no ill will against the offices. Apparently they knew what he was doing. They just don't "think" he would have followed through. Not a gamble I guess everyone was willing to take.

[Coach is Back!]

Being armed and pointing a weapon at someone are two different things.  One is legal, the other is not.

This is EXACTLY why no one believes your stupid ass trains LE in anything.

 

R

Again, stay in your lane. You have no idea what you’re talking about

[Coach is Back!]

"Ossola said he heard them tell Robertson to come outside and Robertson yelling back, saying he hadn’t committed any federal crimes."

The consensus so far is he was armed. Both articles state that. One article is more specific in that he pointed it at law enforcement. By the witnesses accounts, He knew they were there and he knew they were law enforcement. Even the family of the man says they hold no ill will against the offices. Apparently they knew what he was doing. They just don't "think" he would have followed through. Not a gamble I guess everyone was willing to take.

There were 20 or more tactical agents with an armored vehicle. They KNEW his disabilities with little mobility and could barely walk even with a cain across a room. The front door wasn’t the only place they could have breached and entered. The whole thing sketchy at best. This story took a day to get into the news cycle and less than a day to get out of it.

[Agnostic007]

Being armed and pointing a weapon at someone are two different things.  One is legal, the other is not.

This is EXACTLY why no one believes your stupid ass trains LE in anything.

 

R

And just when I thought we were going to have an adult conversation. Oh well


You can't point a weapon at someone and NOT be armed. You can be armed and NOT point a weapon at someone. So S.E. both articles are accurate. One is more specific. And are you REALLY trying to argue he did NOT point a gun at them because one article didn't specifically say those words? Don't be a tard.

The article I posted was from FOX. I know you don't trust them anymore because they left you hanging on your election nonsense but I could find 10 articles stating he was armed and or pointed the weapon at them. But so what? At this point, what's the difference? One is legal one is not? And you question ME? 

A "hit".... FFS....

[Dos Equis]

He was assassinated plain and simple

Maybe.  Maybe not.  Doesn't look good.  But I want to know everything that happened and why they believed they needed to break down his door instead of just arresting him when he left his house.  It's not like he posed an imminent threat to the POTUS.

[Dos Equis]

Dude, shut up.

That's basically what I said.  lol   

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Very interested to see all of the facts here.  If this man was old, overweight, walked with a cane, etc., why break down his door and shoot him?  Just arrest him when he leaves the house, particularly if he was under surveillance. 

Utah Man Shot Dead By FBI Agents Was ‘Kind Person’ Who Posed No Real Threat, Neighbor Says
Community reels after early-morning FBI raid ends with death of elderly man
By  Brent Scher
Aug 11, 2023   DailyWire.com
https://www.dailywire.com/news/utah-man-shot-dead-by-fbi-agents-was-kind-person-who-posed-no-real-threat-neighbor-says

A 75 year old with a gun can still kill people.  Ive read what he wrote and you have to take shit like that seriously.

Sorry but no mystery here

[Dos Equis]

A 75 year old with a gun can still kill people.  Ive read what he wrote and you have to take shit like that seriously.

Sorry but no mystery here

Of course they should take threats against the POTUS seriously.  But what imminent threat to the POTUS did a 75 year-old man, who is overweight, walks with a cane, and can barely move, when he was hundreds of miles away from the POTUS? 

I want to know why they used a batteram on his front door.  Sounds like they could have easily arrested him without breaking down his door.  So yes, there is a mystery about why they used the level of force they did, at the time they used it. 

[LurkerNoMore]

Again, stay in your lane. You have no idea what you’re talking about

I’m talking to a retard who doesn’t understand facts.  Unlike you I know exactly what I am talking about. 

[LurkerNoMore]

There were 20 or more tactical agents with an armored vehicle. They KNEW his disabilities with little mobility and could barely walk even with a cain across a room. The front door wasn’t the only place they could have breached and entered. The whole thing sketchy at best. This story took a day to get into the news cycle and less than a day to get out of it.

Doesn’t matter how many agents there were. 

Doesn’t matter what his disability was.  If he is able to point a gun at agents he is able to accept the consequences.

These are federal agents.  They are not Jehovas Witnesses.   They are not going to stand there three hours knocking on the door.

Nobody cares what a retard thinks about how they should have breached.  I’m sure that the agents had some real training in that regards.   Not the pretend shit you claim you do.

[LurkerNoMore]

Maybe.  Maybe not.  Doesn't look good.  But I want to know everything that happened and why they believed they needed to break down his door instead of just arresting him when he left his house.  It's not like he posed an imminent threat to the POTUS.

There is no "maybe" to it.  There is also not a single reason or scenario you could construct on it being an assassination without looking ignorant and "dishonest".  The situation is 100% his own doing. 


They don't have to wait for him to go anywhere when they got an arrest warrant. 

[illuminati]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/fbi-says-utah-man-who-allegedly-threatened-biden-was-killed-after-pointing-357-handgun-at-agents/ar-AA1fh1Hq

Hardly looks like an assassination. But the shooting will be investigated. FBI says it was justified, at this point, there is no reason to believe otherwise. Likely, no minds will change if the investigation concludes it was justified. The Coaches of the world will simply discount it. We'll probably see some body cam footage in the next couple weeks.

1, who will be doing the investigation ??
2, why not release all body cam footage immediately ,
when it is delayed it looks like they're trying to hide something & or edit
the footage.

The man doesn't sound to clever with his actions for sure,
Then, the FBI would've had an in depth a file all about him & his age & physical / mental condition... appears like they took a huge sledge hammer
to crack open a peanut & acted as judge jury & executioner.

Clearly as an ex cop you hang onto every word that comes out of their
arse holes, lap it all up & defend it always.

Never ever questioning the possibility of abuse of power or excess force. 
 

[LurkerNoMore]

^^  The part about the man being old, fat and using a cane hit home with Pinocchio here.

[Agnostic007]

1, who will be doing the investigation ??
2, why not release all body cam footage immediately ,
when it is delayed it looks like they're trying to hide something & or edit
the footage.

The man doesn't sound to clever with his actions for sure,
Then, the FBI would've had an in depth a file all about him & his age & physical / mental condition... appears like they took a huge sledge hammer
to crack open a peanut & acted as judge jury & executioner.

Clearly as an ex cop you hang onto every word that comes out of their
arse holes, lap it all up & defend it always.

Never ever questioning the possibility of abuse of power or excess force. 

There was another guy a few years back that claimed the same ignorant thing. That I always back cops. Tu Holmes.. even went so far as to challenge my denial. So we made a bet, loser has to leave the forum. I found several examples where I didn’t because I’m not stupid. I know cops screw up.

[illuminati]

There was another guy a few years back that claimed the same ignorant thing. That I always back cops. Tu Holmes.. even went so far as to challenge my denial. So we made a bet, loser has to leave the forum. I found several examples where I didn’t because I’m not stupid. I know cops screw up.

Hmmm okay I'll believe you although 1000's wouldn't - 

1, who will be doing the investigation ??
2, why not release all body cam footage immediately ,
when it is delayed it looks like they're trying to hide something & or edit
the footage.


On a different subject - as a detective you cannot of failed to notice
Just how well My Pavlov's training has worked on The Nonce
WOOF WOOF the POOF POOF as much as the Nonce despise's Me
It's compelled to post 99% of the time immediately after I post 
I can't even see what the Nonce says as it's Blocked. 

Getbig certainly does have more than it's fair share of Nonce's & very
easily triggered Nonce's at that.
watch & see how quickly it responds in 1.......... 2............ 3..............
here here come on WOOF WOOF

[Dos Equis]

Hmmm okay I'll believe you although 1000's wouldn't - 

1, who will be doing the investigation ??
2, why not release all body cam footage immediately ,
when it is delayed it looks like they're trying to hide something & or edit
the footage.


On a different subject - as a detective you cannot of failed to notice
Just how well My Pavlov's training has worked on The Nonce
WOOF WOOF the POOF POOF as much as the Nonce despise's Me
It's compelled to post 99% of the time immediately after I post 
I can't even see what the Nonce says as it's Blocked. 

Getbig certainly does have more than it's fair share of Nonce's & very
easily triggered Nonce's at that.
watch & see how quickly it responds in 1.......... 2............ 3..............
here here come on WOOF WOOF

They usually investigate themselves.   

[LurkerNoMore]

So we got a foreigner twat that claims he ignores me, but yet reads every. single. post. I. make.

 

Just another day, another lie for Pinocchio. 

[illuminati]

They usually investigate themselves.   

Yes & There's nothing remotely dodgy about that is there , Not that they'd ever
Dream of clearing their own .
What an utter load of Bollocks .