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In America "It was an assassination" Is NOT questioning things. It is making a conclusive statement about an ongoing situation where any evidence/information available contradicts that conclusion.

You skirted round my question - yet again
you have your own agenda clearly.

I'm asking question's -

Cop's investigating Cop's  ::) yeah great idea
Driving into his home ?
Was he an imminent danger to Pedo Pete or anyone else ?
Could've this been handle better - surely they knew his age
Health / mental status ?

And many more questions


Yes sure he was a Twat & a Fool
They're every where including 2 or 3 here on Getbig !!
Let's send the cops to smash into their homes & kill them, yes ?


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What??  No.  Due process, equal protection, civil liberties, proper use of force, etc. all apply to people who break the law. 

We don't know all the facts.


Yes we do, he threatened to kill the president and vice president with a sniper rifle, FBI paid him a visit, they left when he said to come back with a warrant, posted that he was about to eradiate the FBI agents.  They came back to visit with a warrant and tried to get him to come out peacefully numerous times, once he pointed a 357 Magnum at them, they put him to sleep like Rowdy Roddy Piper.


He did everything to get that high five.   Ironically, it was Truth Social that reported him to the FBI to begin with.   

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Yes we do, he threatened to kill the president and vice president with a sniper rifle, FBI paid him a visit, they left when he said to come back with a warrant, posted that he was about to eradiate the FBI agents.  They came back to visit with a warrant and tried to get him to come out peacefully numerous times, once he pointed a 357 Magnum at them, they put him to sleep like Rowdy Roddy Piper.


He did everything to get that high five.   Ironically, it was Truth Social that reported him to the FBI to begin with.

Vince, you can't explain something to people that are determined to whine and make excuses no matter what.  It is exactly as you stated it to be.  Which is exactly as I stated it to be and Agnostic007 stated it to be.  Hypocrites are just being stupid or willfully dishonest by suggesting anything else.

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Looks like the scenario could be repeating itself again and again.    :) 

Subtract another one from being able to vote next year.   :D  GOOD TIMES!!!  (unless you are Trumpy or one of his supporters.)

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“We Will Kill You”: Trump Supporters Threaten Judge, Jurors Amid Indictments
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%E2%80%9CWe+Will+Kill+You%E2%80%9D%3A+Trump+Supporters+Threaten+Judge%2C+Jurors+Amid+Indictments

“You are in our sights, we want to kill you.”

This was the totally normal, not-at-all terrifying voicemail that a Donald Trump supporter left for Judge Tanya Chutkan, the U.S. District Court judge in Washington who is presiding over one of the former president’s indictment cases.

A Texas woman was arrested Wednesday for making this threatening call to Chutkan. Abigail Jo Shry called Chutkan’s chambers on August 5, two days after Trump was indicted in Washington, D.C., for trying to overturn the 2020 election.

Shry called Chutkan, who is Black, a “stupid slave” and said the judge would be “targeted personally, publicly, your family, all of it.” Shry warned that “if Trump doesn’t get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you.”

When she was arrested, Shry admitted that she had also threatened to kill Texas Democratic Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, who is also Black.

The same day that Shry was arrested, the grand jurors who indicted Trump in Georgia were doxxed, meaning that their personal information was shared online. Georgia is one of the few states that publishes the names of jurors for the sake of transparency in criminal proceedings.

Internet users have shared the grand jurors names and addresses on far-right message boards and made violent threats against them. One user on the message board where the QAnon conspiracy theory began threatened to “follow these people home and photograph their faces.”

A user on another message board described the jurors’ names as a “hit list.” Another user responded, “Godspeed anons, you have all the long range rifles in the world.”

Yet another user said they were “about ready to go Turner Diaries on these treasonous n***** fucks,” referring to a gruesome white supremacist book, written by a neo-Nazi leader, that has inspired multiple acts of violence.

It should come as no surprise that the people involved in holding Trump accountable, particularly people of color, are under threat from his supporters. Trump supporters rioted on January 6, with many arguing Trump himself had summoned them to Washington. Acts of extremist political violence are on the rise, and many can be traced directly back to Trump’s own rhetoric.
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Yes we do, he threatened to kill the president and vice president with a sniper rifle, FBI paid him a visit, they left when he said to come back with a warrant, posted that he was about to eradiate the FBI agents.  They came back to visit with a warrant and tried to get him to come out peacefully numerous times, once he pointed a 357 Magnum at them, they put him to sleep like Rowdy Roddy Piper.


He did everything to get that high five.   Ironically, it was Truth Social that reported him to the FBI to begin with.

Its not Pedo Pete & Kamel toe harris he should've been after
It's their String Pullers that's the Problem.


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Yes we do, he threatened to kill the president and vice president with a sniper rifle, FBI paid him a visit, they left when he said to come back with a warrant, posted that he was about to eradiate the FBI agents.  They came back to visit with a warrant and tried to get him to come out peacefully numerous times, once he pointed a 357 Magnum at them, they put him to sleep like Rowdy Roddy Piper.


He did everything to get that high five.   Ironically, it was Truth Social that reported him to the FBI to begin with.

What is your source for him pointing a 357 at them? 

What we don't know is why they broke his door down instead of just waiting to arrest him when he hobbled out of his house, particularly when he was already under surveillance, and did not pose any imminent threat to Biden. 

So you have enough information to form your opinion.  I do not.

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What is your source for him pointing a 357 at them? 

What we don't know is why they broke his door down instead of just waiting to arrest him when he hobbled out of his house, particularly when he was already under surveillance, and did not pose any imminent threat to Biden. 

So you have enough information to form your opinion.  I do not.

You can make all the arguments you want but the fact is thst he did it to himself.  Case closed
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You can make all the arguments you want but the fact is thst he did it to himself.  Case closed

I'm not making any arguments.  I'm looking at limited facts and asking questions.  He obviously set this entire thing in motion by making stupid comments.  Was breaking down his door the only option?  I don't know.  I doubt it, but I want to see how it all plays out.

It's closed for you.  Not for me. 

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What is your source for him pointing a 357 at them? 

What we don't know is why they broke his door down instead of just waiting to arrest him when he hobbled out of his house, particularly when he was already under surveillance, and did not pose any imminent threat to Biden. 

So you have enough information to form your opinion.  I do not.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/08/15/utah-man-killed-fbi-raid-had/
Robertson was shot and killed by federal agents at around 6:15 a.m. on Aug. 9 after he allegedly pointed a gun at them as they tried to arrest him, according to an FBI statement released Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/utah-man-killed-fbi-pointed-gun-agents-fatal-shooting-rcna99326
A Utah man fatally shot by the FBI on Wednesday was armed when FBI agents confronted him at his home, a senior law enforcement official told NBC News. Authorities said he pointed his weapon at agents and did not respond to their commands.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bc-us-utah-man-killed-biden-threats_n_64dd256be4b06b5d9bad9cbc
Craig Robertson was killed after pointing a revolver at FBI agents who came to his house in numbers last Wednesday. Nearly five years earlier, he brought a handgun into his Provo, Utah, backyard to demand Google Fiber employees working on a utility pole to connect a neighbor's WiFi get off his property, according to a Provo Police incident report obtained by The Associated Press.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2023-08-14/utah-man-accused-of-threatening-president-pointed-gun-at-agents-fbi-says
The Utah man accused of making violent threats against President Joe Biden before a trip to Salt Lake City last week pointed a handgun at FBI agents attempting to arrest him, the agency said on Monday.


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You skirted round my question - yet again
you have your own agenda clearly.

I'm asking question's -

Cop's investigating Cop's  ::) yeah great idea
Driving into his home ?
Was he an imminent danger to Pedo Pete or anyone else ?
Could've this been handle better - surely they knew his age
Health / mental status ?

And many more questions


Yes sure he was a Twat & a Fool
They're every where including 2 or 3 here on Getbig !!
Let's send the cops to smash into their homes & kill them, yes ?

How would you have handled this situation had you been one of the FBI special agents sent to serve the search warrant on Craig Robertson when he points a gun at you and verbally threatens to shoot you?

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Looks like he received the stupid games/stupid prizes award.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Martin Luther King was assassinated, John F Kennedy was assassinated, Malcolm was assassinated.  He just got shot



I read that one in Chris Rocks voice, not yours. “Cut down by an assassins bullet” ;D

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https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/08/15/utah-man-killed-fbi-raid-had/
Robertson was shot and killed by federal agents at around 6:15 a.m. on Aug. 9 after he allegedly pointed a gun at them as they tried to arrest him, according to an FBI statement released Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/utah-man-killed-fbi-pointed-gun-agents-fatal-shooting-rcna99326
A Utah man fatally shot by the FBI on Wednesday was armed when FBI agents confronted him at his home, a senior law enforcement official told NBC News. Authorities said he pointed his weapon at agents and did not respond to their commands.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bc-us-utah-man-killed-biden-threats_n_64dd256be4b06b5d9bad9cbc
Craig Robertson was killed after pointing a revolver at FBI agents who came to his house in numbers last Wednesday. Nearly five years earlier, he brought a handgun into his Provo, Utah, backyard to demand Google Fiber employees working on a utility pole to connect a neighbor's WiFi get off his property, according to a Provo Police incident report obtained by The Associated Press.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/nation-world/story/2023-08-14/utah-man-accused-of-threatening-president-pointed-gun-at-agents-fbi-says
The Utah man accused of making violent threats against President Joe Biden before a trip to Salt Lake City last week pointed a handgun at FBI agents attempting to arrest him, the agency said on Monday.

All leftist bullshit. I posted an article from Military that stated he was armed (as he’s allowed to be) but nothing on pointing the weapon at anyone.

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You skirted round my question - yet again
you have your own agenda clearly.

I'm asking question's -

Cop's investigating Cop's  ::) yeah great idea
Driving into his home ?
Was he an imminent danger to Pedo Pete or anyone else ?
Could've this been handle better - surely they knew his age
Health / mental status ?

And many more questions


Yes sure he was a Twat & a Fool
They're every where including 2 or 3 here on Getbig !!
Let's send the cops to smash into their homes & kill them, yes ?

Ok, I ignored the rest of the post to keep things amicable. But if you insist..

Cops investigating cops.... In MY experience, the SIU (Special Investigations Unit) we had that was soley assigned to investigate critical incidents and the Internal Affairs unit was staffed with officers/detectives/Supervisors with impecable reputations for calling ducks ducks. In fact field officers often felt the SIU and IA were coming down too hard, nitpicking a lot of things. Never did we have an atmosphere where we felt either unit was rubber stamping anything. In fact, we often felt they went overboard trying to find things to pin on the officers. So, no, I don't have a problem with cops investigating cops.

But I understand there are concern among civilians about it and while I am confident in my old Departments abilities, I can't speak for them all. And certainly history has shown there are instances when outcomes of investigations were questionable. But the mere fact Law Enforcement is investigating Law Enforcement isn't that concerning. We also had civilians known as Police Monitors that were advocates of the citizens that would monitor the investigations for transparency.

But if we are at the point where we trust police only when they act as we think they should, I.E. dealing with minorities, and then distrust them when it is someone you may tend to align with, you're talking about a whole different ballgame. I don't know the FBI's divisions, other than they do have a special unit that investigates critical incidents. For me, the likelihood they got all the responders to agree to lie in order to kill the guy is in Coach territory. Having been in the game a long time, I think lying is unlikely as you have body cam footage and written statements from every person on scene. Is it worth spinning a yarn if he didn't point a weapon vs arresting him and putting him through the court system? For me, it's pretty clear.

In every critical incident there are liberals that want to know why X had to happen when it comes to police force. Did they have to do this, did they have to do that. It stems from just lack of knowledge about tactics and the pros and cons of the available choices. If you are asking me why they didn't do X rather than Y I don't know. I didn't sit in on the intel briefing. But I have sat in on many similar briefings. I can honestly tell you this, there hasn't been a police shooting that I am aware of, no matter how clean.. that some of the public didn't complain about it. The only thing that has changed in the last month is one of the suspects was a right wing republican

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Ok, I ignored the rest of the post to keep things amicable. But if you insist..

Cops investigating cops.... In MY experience, the SIU (Special Investigations Unit) we had that was soley assigned to investigate critical incidents and the Internal Affairs unit was staffed with officers/detectives/Supervisors with impecable reputations for calling ducks ducks. In fact field officers often felt the SIU and IA were coming down too hard, nitpicking a lot of things. Never did we have an atmosphere where we felt either unit was rubber stamping anything. In fact, we often felt they went overboard trying to find things to pin on the officers. So, no, I don't have a problem with cops investigating cops.

But I understand there are concern among civilians about it and while I am confident in my old Departments abilities, I can't speak for them all. And certainly history has shown there are instances when outcomes of investigations were questionable. But the mere fact Law Enforcement is investigating Law Enforcement isn't that concerning. We also had civilians known as Police Monitors that were advocates of the citizens that would monitor the investigations for transparency.

But if we are at the point where we trust police only when they act as we think they should, I.E. dealing with minorities, and then distrust them when it is someone you may tend to align with, you're talking about a whole different ballgame. I don't know the FBI's divisions, other than they do have a special unit that investigates critical incidents. For me, the likelihood they got all the responders to agree to lie in order to kill the guy is in Coach territory. Having been in the game a long time, I think lying is unlikely as you have body cam footage and written statements from every person on scene. Is it worth spinning a yarn if he didn't point a weapon vs arresting him and putting him through the court system? For me, it's pretty clear.

In every critical incident there are liberals that want to know why X had to happen when it comes to police force. Did they have to do this, did they have to do that. It stems from just lack of knowledge about tactics and the pros and cons of the available choices. If you are asking me why they didn't do X rather than Y I don't know. I didn't sit in on the intel briefing. But I have sat in on many similar briefings. I can honestly tell you this, there hasn't been a police shooting that I am aware of, no matter how clean.. that some of the public didn't complain about it. The only thing that has changed in the last month is one of the suspects was a right wing republican


Yet again you fail to be concise & address the points raised
and just waffle on about how you trust the Cops.

Me & others have had different experiences with cops and are well aware
that cops do Lie quite often to cover their own backs & their boyfriends,
ther's countless examples - hell how many have been executed only for
years later to be exonerated as evidence was suppressed or altered to
fit the person they got.

Cops are the Biggest criminal gang , they have the best equipment to
cover for themselves.

So many have the I'm a Cop & can do as I want to who I want Mentality.

Yes They'res a Minority who don't are very decent cop's & people.


An outside No police investigation would be far better & more trustworthy.















Still Those in Maui did get the whole $700 didn't they ?
And Pedo pete had no cause to interrupt his holiday.

 ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D   Got Laugh or we'd go cracker's .

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All leftist bullshit. I posted an article from Military that stated he was armed (as he’s allowed to be) but nothing on pointing the weapon at anyone.

Reality has a liberal basis.

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I'm not making any arguments.  I'm looking at limited facts and asking questions.  He obviously set this entire thing in motion by making stupid comments.  Was breaking down his door the only option?  I don't know.  I doubt it, but I want to see how it all plays out.

It's closed for you.  Not for me.


Its closed for me because he's dead.   In retrospect, his family should have gotten a POA on him years ago when he started ranting and making death threats at people and got rid of his weapons.  But he's gone and not coming back and no one is going to investigate it
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As soon as he pointed that gun at federal agents, he developed an acute allergic reaction to oxygen.

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Reality has a liberal basis.

Until you realize Democrats are the literal enemy of this country and the Wrey licks Garlands ass…


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Yet again you fail to be concise & address the points raised
and just waffle on about how you trust the Cops.

Me & others have had different experiences with cops and are well aware
that cops do Lie quite often to cover their own backs & their boyfriends,
ther's countless examples - hell how many have been executed only for
years later to be exonerated as evidence was suppressed or altered to
fit the person they got.

Cops are the Biggest criminal gang , they have the best equipment to
cover for themselves.

So many have the I'm a Cop & can do as I want to who I want Mentality.

Yes They'res a Minority who don't are very decent cop's & people.


An outside No police investigation would be far better & more trustworthy.















Still Those in Maui did get the whole $700 didn't they ?
And Pedo pete had no cause to interrupt his holiday.

 ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D   Got Laugh or we'd go cracker's .

Ok

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Until you realize Democrats are the literal enemy of this country and the Wrey licks Garlands ass…

Coach, I hope you and your family are safe during this upcoming Hillary event.

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Ok

Hey 👊🏻

Twice now you've agreed with Me , Excellent.
You must be recovering from Libturdia & starting to think rationaly & normally
Let's hope it continues.


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Until you realize Democrats are the literal enemy of this country and the Wrey licks Garlands ass…

It takes a lot of retardation to buy into your delusions doesn't it?

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Its closed for me because he's dead.   In retrospect, his family should have gotten a POA on him years ago when he started ranting and making death threats at people and got rid of his weapons.  But he's gone and not coming back and no one is going to investigate it

Since he was older, maybe he had Alzheimer’s disease which can cause aggressive or violent behavior.

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It takes a lot of retardation to buy into your delusions doesn't it?

Yeah, the reality is they, along with China because at this point they’re basically one and the same, do more damage to this country than Russia could even hope to do. Congrats, you voted for this. You are the enemy