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Those pesky fake electors
« on: August 23, 2023, 07:13:14 AM »
Just can't keep a good thing secret.  But it's been "debunked" right?    :D :D :D :D

Crimes have consequences.  But one thing that makes me wonder..... when the 16 fake electors signed the document, did anyone from the GOP insist on signature verification?    :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

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Trump attorneys guided false electors in Georgia, GOP chair says
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Trump+attorneys+guided+false+electors+in+Georgia%2C+GOP+chair+says

Former Georgia Republican Party Chair David Shafer said attorneys for former President Donald Trump, his campaign and the local GOP were responsible for urging him to assemble a slate of false presidential electors that are now at the heart of a sprawling racketeering case.

Shafer is among the 18 defendants indicted in Fulton County, Georgia, alongside Trump as part of a conspiracy to subvert the 2020 election.

“Mr. Shafer and the other Republican Electors in the 2020 election acted at the direction of the incumbent President and other federal officials,” Shafer’s attorney wrote in a petition seeking to move the Fulton County case to federal court.

To bolster his proposition, Shafer provided new documents that underscore the Trump campaign’s close involvement in efforts to assemble a group of pro-Trump activists on Dec. 14, 2020 to sign documents claiming to be Georgia’s legitimate presidential electors. Those false electors were later used by Trump allies to attempt to foment a conflict on Jan. 6, 2021 and derail the transfer of power to President Joe Biden.

Shafer, who was among the Republicans who signed documents claiming to be a presidential elector for Trump despite Biden’s victory, has long claimed that the effort was meant to preserve Trump’s chances to prevail in Georgia in case his pending lawsuits broke in his favor. In Tuesday’s filing, Shafer underscored that the strategy was driven almost entirely by lawyers acting on Trump’s behalf — including Ray Smith, one of the other defendants charged in the case.

The filing underscores the tensions likely to manifest among the 19 defendants as the case unfolds and defendants seek to shift culpability to others charged in the alleged conspiracy.

“[A]n attorney for the President was present at the December 14, 2020 meeting of the presidential electors itself and advised the Presidential Electors, including Mr. Shafer, that performance of their duties was necessary on behalf of the President and the Constitution,” Shafer’s filing noted, identifying Smith as the attorney.

One of the documents Shafer revealed was a transcript of the meeting of the pro-Trump false elector slate. It reveals that Smith addressed the group before they signed the papers.

“We’re conducting this because the contest of the election in Georgia is ongoing,” Smith told the group. “And so we continue to contest the election of the electors in Georgia. And so we’re going to conduct this in accordance with the Constitution of the United States and we’re going to conduct the electorate today similar to what happened in 1960 in Hawaii.”

“And if we did not hold this meeting, then our election contest would effectively be abandoned,” Shafer replied to Smith.

“That’s correct,” Smith responded.

Shafer also revealed a Dec. 10, 2020 email he received from Alex Kaufman, a local GOP attorney urging him to push forward with convening the slate of false electors a few days later. Trump-affiliated attorneys Cleta Mitchell, Kurt Hilbert and Smith were copied on the email.

“I am reconfirming the importance and our collective advice that our slate of delegates meet on December 14th (per the Federal Deadline) and cast their ballots in favor of President Trump,” Kaufman wrote.

“It is essential that our delegates act and vote in the exact manner as if Governor Kemp has certified the Presidential Contest in favor of President Trump,” Kaufman continued. “ I believe that this is still the most conservative course of action to preserve the best chance for Georgia to ultimately support the President’s reelection.”

Prosecutors in Georgia have rejected Shafer’s contention that he was acting purely on the advice of Trump campaign lawyers and suggested that he, above other members of the false elector slate, played a leadership role in the effort.

In addition to racketeering, Shafer is charged with “impersonating a public officer,” forgery, false statements and writings, and filing false documents. Smith is charged with solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer, conspiracy to commit impersonating of a public officer and conspiracy to commit forgery.

In their communications with Shafer and the false electors, both Kaufman and Smith cited the experience of Hawaii in 1960, where Democrats signed documents falsely claiming to be the state’s legitimate electors due to an ongoing recount. Richard Nixon had narrowly prevailed in the state, and the results were certified by the governor. But the recount showed Kennedy making gains and likely to prevail, so the Democrats convened to preserve their ability to have their electors counted in case the outcome were reversed.

Ultimately, Hawaii’s election did tip to Kennedy, and a new governor certified Kennedy’s victory just two days before Congress convened to count electoral votes. It’s unclear whether the false electors made a difference to the outcome. At the time, then-Vice President Nixon presided over the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6, 1961 and agreed — without any objection from lawmakers in the room — to count the Democratic electors in Kennedy’s column. The contest had no bearing on the outcome of the national election.
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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2023, 01:46:37 PM »
Just can't keep a good thing secret.  But it's been "debunked" right?    :D :D :D :D

Crimes have consequences.  But one thing that makes me wonder..... when the 16 fake electors signed the document, did anyone from the GOP insist on signature verification?    :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

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Trump attorneys guided false electors in Georgia, GOP chair says
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Trump+attorneys+guided+false+electors+in+Georgia%2C+GOP+chair+says

Former Georgia Republican Party Chair David Shafer said attorneys for former President Donald Trump, his campaign and the local GOP were responsible for urging him to assemble a slate of false presidential electors that are now at the heart of a sprawling racketeering case.

Shafer is among the 18 defendants indicted in Fulton County, Georgia, alongside Trump as part of a conspiracy to subvert the 2020 election.

“Mr. Shafer and the other Republican Electors in the 2020 election acted at the direction of the incumbent President and other federal officials,” Shafer’s attorney wrote in a petition seeking to move the Fulton County case to federal court.

To bolster his proposition, Shafer provided new documents that underscore the Trump campaign’s close involvement in efforts to assemble a group of pro-Trump activists on Dec. 14, 2020 to sign documents claiming to be Georgia’s legitimate presidential electors. Those false electors were later used by Trump allies to attempt to foment a conflict on Jan. 6, 2021 and derail the transfer of power to President Joe Biden.

Shafer, who was among the Republicans who signed documents claiming to be a presidential elector for Trump despite Biden’s victory, has long claimed that the effort was meant to preserve Trump’s chances to prevail in Georgia in case his pending lawsuits broke in his favor. In Tuesday’s filing, Shafer underscored that the strategy was driven almost entirely by lawyers acting on Trump’s behalf — including Ray Smith, one of the other defendants charged in the case.

The filing underscores the tensions likely to manifest among the 19 defendants as the case unfolds and defendants seek to shift culpability to others charged in the alleged conspiracy.

“[A]n attorney for the President was present at the December 14, 2020 meeting of the presidential electors itself and advised the Presidential Electors, including Mr. Shafer, that performance of their duties was necessary on behalf of the President and the Constitution,” Shafer’s filing noted, identifying Smith as the attorney.

One of the documents Shafer revealed was a transcript of the meeting of the pro-Trump false elector slate. It reveals that Smith addressed the group before they signed the papers.

“We’re conducting this because the contest of the election in Georgia is ongoing,” Smith told the group. “And so we continue to contest the election of the electors in Georgia. And so we’re going to conduct this in accordance with the Constitution of the United States and we’re going to conduct the electorate today similar to what happened in 1960 in Hawaii.”

“And if we did not hold this meeting, then our election contest would effectively be abandoned,” Shafer replied to Smith.

“That’s correct,” Smith responded.

Shafer also revealed a Dec. 10, 2020 email he received from Alex Kaufman, a local GOP attorney urging him to push forward with convening the slate of false electors a few days later. Trump-affiliated attorneys Cleta Mitchell, Kurt Hilbert and Smith were copied on the email.

“I am reconfirming the importance and our collective advice that our slate of delegates meet on December 14th (per the Federal Deadline) and cast their ballots in favor of President Trump,” Kaufman wrote.

“It is essential that our delegates act and vote in the exact manner as if Governor Kemp has certified the Presidential Contest in favor of President Trump,” Kaufman continued. “ I believe that this is still the most conservative course of action to preserve the best chance for Georgia to ultimately support the President’s reelection.”

Prosecutors in Georgia have rejected Shafer’s contention that he was acting purely on the advice of Trump campaign lawyers and suggested that he, above other members of the false elector slate, played a leadership role in the effort.

In addition to racketeering, Shafer is charged with “impersonating a public officer,” forgery, false statements and writings, and filing false documents. Smith is charged with solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer, conspiracy to commit impersonating of a public officer and conspiracy to commit forgery.

In their communications with Shafer and the false electors, both Kaufman and Smith cited the experience of Hawaii in 1960, where Democrats signed documents falsely claiming to be the state’s legitimate electors due to an ongoing recount. Richard Nixon had narrowly prevailed in the state, and the results were certified by the governor. But the recount showed Kennedy making gains and likely to prevail, so the Democrats convened to preserve their ability to have their electors counted in case the outcome were reversed.

Ultimately, Hawaii’s election did tip to Kennedy, and a new governor certified Kennedy’s victory just two days before Congress convened to count electoral votes. It’s unclear whether the false electors made a difference to the outcome. At the time, then-Vice President Nixon presided over the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6, 1961 and agreed — without any objection from lawmakers in the room — to count the Democratic electors in Kennedy’s column. The contest had no bearing on the outcome of the national election.
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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2023, 03:19:05 PM »
why are you rebroadcasting , giving more audience & amplifying this loons posts?

good point  :)
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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2023, 07:42:50 AM »
Hahaha.... just can't keep a good fake elector down.   ;D

Kind of strange that the criminals charged with election interference are Republicans.  And most witnesses supplying evidence and testimony against these criminals are Republicans.  I guess the argument is "to fight voter fraud, we must commit voter fraud"...


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Fake elector launches effort to 'guard' the Constitution
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Fake+elector+launches+effort+to+%27guard%27+the+Constitution

A retired Air Force veteran has launched a new project whose aim he says is to guard the Constitution, educate public officials and inspire activism across the country.

But there’s a wrinkle: The veteran is among those accused of trying to derail the 2020 election, who are now under scrutiny by federal prosecutors.

Shawn Meehan, 57, was a "fake elector" in Nevada, who in 2020, along with five other Republicans in the state, signed documents that authorities say aimed to interfere with Joe Biden’s rightful electoral victory. At least two fellow pro-Trump electors in Nevada have testified before a special grand jury in Washington, D.C. Meehan, who has retained an attorney, would not say whether he has been subpoenaed to testify.

To some, the fact that someone would set up a site aimed at protecting the Constitution when accused of attempting to upend the nation’s storied history of a peaceful transition of power is rich with irony.

“The irony runs deep because it is these folks who claim the most stringent adherence to the framers and the ideas that they had who are advancing these implausible, atextual and completely ahistorical readings of the Constitution, to try to reach their political goal — all while draping themselves in the Constitution,” said Jeff Mandell, a Wisconsin attorney who led a lawsuit against fraudulent electors in his state.
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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2023, 01:08:54 PM »
Hahaha.... just can't keep a good fake elector down.   ;D

Kind of strange that the criminals charged with election interference are Republicans.  And most witnesses supplying evidence and testimony against these criminals are Republicans.  I guess the argument is "to fight voter fraud, we must commit voter fraud"...


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Fake elector launches effort to 'guard' the Constitution
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Fake+elector+launches+effort+to+%27guard%27+the+Constitution

A retired Air Force veteran has launched a new project whose aim he says is to guard the Constitution, educate public officials and inspire activism across the country.

But there’s a wrinkle: The veteran is among those accused of trying to derail the 2020 election, who are now under scrutiny by federal prosecutors.

Shawn Meehan, 57, was a "fake elector" in Nevada, who in 2020, along with five other Republicans in the state, signed documents that authorities say aimed to interfere with Joe Biden’s rightful electoral victory. At least two fellow pro-Trump electors in Nevada have testified before a special grand jury in Washington, D.C. Meehan, who has retained an attorney, would not say whether he has been subpoenaed to testify.

To some, the fact that someone would set up a site aimed at protecting the Constitution when accused of attempting to upend the nation’s storied history of a peaceful transition of power is rich with irony.

“The irony runs deep because it is these folks who claim the most stringent adherence to the framers and the ideas that they had who are advancing these implausible, atextual and completely ahistorical readings of the Constitution, to try to reach their political goal — all while draping themselves in the Constitution,” said Jeff Mandell, a Wisconsin attorney who led a lawsuit against fraudulent electors in his state.
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  strange how everything the republicans are accusing the democrats of doing they themselves have done and continue to do so, very strange.
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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2023, 02:37:32 PM »
  strange how everything the republicans are accusing the democrats of doing they themselves have done and continue to do so, very strange.

You noticed this too? Glad you did and let us hope millions more people have too. The Republican party should be renamed to the Hypocrite party.

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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2023, 05:16:57 PM »
  strange how everything the republicans are accusing the democrats of doing they themselves have done and continue to do so, very strange.
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Republicans have never been good at hiding their hypocrisy or projections.   Just look at the ones on this forum.   They get busted it in all the time.

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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2023, 03:59:08 PM »
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Republicans have never been good at hiding their hypocrisy or projections.   Just look at the ones on this forum.   They get busted it in all the time.
   yet their arrogance won't allow them to admit when they might be totally wrong. sound like someone else we all know and love. hint= name sounds like rump.
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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2023, 04:28:24 PM »
You noticed this too? Glad you did and let us hope millions more people have too. The Republican party should be renamed to the Hypocrite party.
PrimeBite'm over here with his diminishing mental capacity on full display.
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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2023, 05:47:14 PM »
Oh no.... Trumpy buddy Cheeseybro, giving evidence of the fake elector plot in NV as well.

But I thought all that was "debunked".   ;D

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2023, 10:43:54 PM »
   yet their arrogance won't allow them to admit when they might be totally wrong. sound like someone else we all know and love. hint= name sounds like rump.

I'm not saying the grade point avg is true, too easy to fake that, but the meme is spot on, no getting around that. 

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2023, 08:19:01 AM »
I'm not saying the grade point avg is true, too easy to fake that, but the meme is spot on, no getting around that.

Meme or not.... for a family that brags about how well they know business, they certainly proved on the stand that they don't know anything about their business at all hardly. 

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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2023, 08:47:26 AM »
   yet their arrogance won't allow them to admit when they might be totally wrong. sound like someone else we all know and love. hint= name sounds like rump.
Put your dad back on the account and let him know he raised a liberal twat. :D
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2023, 09:12:00 AM »
Almost like when  the demturdz cried "fake election" when Kilary lost.
Are all demturdz that hypocritical with tiny memories? (Of when they also cried)?

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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2023, 07:47:35 AM »
Almost like when  the demturdz cried "fake election" when Kilary lost.
Are all demturdz that hypocritical with tiny memories? (Of when they also cried)?

Yeah, I remember that.  And all those lawsuits they filed.  And all those fake electors they came up with to change the vote.  And all the audits/fraudits/and recounts.  And all the Dem lawyers that lost their licenses.  And the indictments served on over a dozen of people.

Oh wait... that didn't happen at all.

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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2023, 03:17:16 PM »
I thought this fake elector stuff was "debunked".   Oh my.... looks like it wasn't.  Just like everyone else pointed out.

Don't worry, I am sure Cheeseybro will put a good word in for you.   ;)

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Nevada fake electors plead not guilty to state charges; trial set for March
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Nevada+fake+electors+plead+not+guilty+to+state+charges%3B+trial+set+for+March

The six Nevada Republicans who served as “fake electors” for the Trump campaign in 2020 pleaded not guilty Monday to state charges.

The defendants were arraigned in Clark County District Court, making their first court appearance two weeks after they were indicted by Nevada Attorney General Aaron Ford. The defendants participated virtually, while Ford, a Democrat, attended the hearing in-person with some of his fellow prosecutors.

Judge Mary Kay Holthus scheduled their trials to begin on March 11.

The defendants are Nevada GOP chairman Michael McDonald; Nevada GOP vice chairs James DeGraffenreid and Durward Hindle; Clark County GOP chairman Jesse Law; and Douglas County GOP officials Shawn Meehan and Eileen Rice. They were each charged with two felonies: One count of forgery, and one count of filing a false record.

Prosecutors said Monday that they would soon start turning over hard drives with evidence to the defendants as part of the pre-trial discovery process.

Nevada is the third state to file criminal charges in connection with the Trump campaign’s fake electors plan to subvert the 2020 election, which was carried out in seven states that Donald Trump lost. Activists met in each state, falsely claimed they were the rightful electors, and submitted phony certificates to Congress, hoping that somehow they would be recognized instead of Joe Biden’s legitimate electors.

Similar charges are pending against fake electors in Michigan and Georgia. Trump faces federal charges in connection with the scheme, and stemming from his broader attempt to overturn the 2020 election.

Lawyers for the fake electors have maintained that their actions were meant to preserve Trump’s ability to contest the election in court, and that federal law gives them leeway to send in their own elector certificates if the results are in question.
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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2023, 10:41:08 PM »
Almost like when  the demturdz cried "fake election" when Kilary lost.
Are all demturdz that hypocritical with tiny memories? (Of when they also cried)?

Refresh my memory on how that went and how long that lasted? I was assuming Hillary would win up to that night. When she didn't, I hadn't a thought about a stolen election. I'm not saying some people didn't cry fowl but come on.. are you really going to try and paint a picture of anything even close to what happened in 2020/21?

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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2023, 04:58:49 PM »
Refresh my memory on how that went and how long that lasted? I was assuming Hillary would win up to that night. When she didn't, I hadn't a thought about a stolen election. I'm not saying some people didn't cry fowl but come on.. are you really going to try and paint a picture of anything even close to what happened in 2020/21?
Trying to remember how long the media blasted Hillarys loss in our face 24/7/365? Oh wait, they stopped coverage of her terrible performance and the crying in the streets by her supporters really quickly to turn their attention to attacking everything Trump and they haven't stopped since.
Might as well call him Donald Kardashian with how obsessed you people are over him. ::)
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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2023, 06:35:51 PM »
Trying to remember how long the media blasted Hillarys loss in our face 24/7/365? Oh wait, they stopped coverage of her terrible performance and the crying in the streets by her supporters really quickly to turn their attention to attacking everything Trump and they haven't stopped since.
Might as well call him Donald Kardashian with how obsessed you people are over him. ::)

Trying to remember how long Trumpy blasted his loss in our face 24/7/365.....  oh wait, I can't because it hasn't stopped yet.

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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2023, 07:27:30 PM »
Trying to remember how long Trumpy blasted his loss in our face 24/7/365.....  oh wait, I can't because it hasn't stopped yet.
Trump would fade away if you dipshits didn't yearn to follow his every move.
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2023, 08:44:23 AM »
Trump would fade away if you dipshits didn't yearn to follow his every move.

How terrible that would be for you not to have his ass around to keep your head up. 

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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2023, 01:44:55 PM »
Trump would fade away if you dipshits didn't yearn to follow his every move.

-Not if Trump has anything to say about it. He likes being in the limelight. He uses his 'victimhood' as a catalyst to keep his poll numbers high and presumably his MAGA support right where he wants them to be. 

But you are correct in one respect, if it were possible for those good people on both sides to discontinue all conversation about him, in theory he would disappear. I do not see this happening. He will have a place in history. He will be famous, infamous or both depending on what folks believe about him.

Besides, following celebrities' every move is an international sport. It just goes to show that much of the populous has nothing better to think about or do.  ;D     
 

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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2023, 02:56:39 PM »
PrimeBite'm over here with his diminishing mental capacity on full display.
One foot in the grave. Who will miss him.......
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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2023, 03:20:35 PM »
One foot in the grave. Who will miss him.......

Clearly not you. Just so you know, this breaks my heart.

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Re: Those pesky fake electors
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2023, 03:48:58 PM »
How terrible that would be for you not to have his ass around to keep your head up.
You sound jealous, would you like something up your ass ???

-Not if Trump has anything to say about it. He likes being in the limelight. He uses his 'victimhood' as a catalyst to keep his poll numbers high and presumably his MAGA support right where he wants them to be. 

But you are correct in one respect, if it were possible for those good people on both sides to discontinue all conversation about him, in theory he would disappear. I do not see this happening. He will have a place in history. He will be famous, infamous or both depending on what folks believe about him.

Besides, following celebrities' every move is an international sport. It just goes to show that much of the populous has nothing better to think about or do.  ;D     
 

If democrat controlled media stopped cycling the guy 24/7, he would fade away but you people eat up every bit of negative attention about him that you can get your beady little eyes on. The media blasting Trump in your face (there's a gloryhole joke there) 24/7 isn't going to increase your hatred of him any more. It's not possible for your kind to hate him any more than you already do, they are shoving him down your throats (another glory hole joke) to sway the people on the fence about him.
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