I know what you mean and I've said the same on here many times but opiates might have/probably do have different "small" deleterious physical effects over time. Bob Chick used to say Prince fucked his kidneys with Nubain. Probably wasn't main driver but at one point I looked at long term sides of opiates, which I forgot about now, but there were some concerns from what it looked like to me. From what was said Prince possibly mixed in cocaine in his shots too.
I don't drink, smoke, or use drugs. Although I had a real piece of shit woman I was seeing in 2018, and I more or less tried everything that year.
Then I made a decision to never do anything ever again, with the exception that if I do indulge, it will be an opiate/opioid.
I'd say once a quarter is ok. But it's the sort of thing that can spiral out of control. But...I've gone my entire life being way too cautious, so...I don't know, I'm thinking...go with once a quarter and take the risk.
The reason why I feel opiates are appropriate is precisely because they are nontoxic. I also feel that downers are a better choice than uppers.
As for Nubain...I went to the Wikipedia page. What is an opioid agonist antagonist?:
Nalbuphine is a mixed agonist/antagonist opioid modulator.
Also, this blurb before that:
Unlike other opioids, it has little to no capacity for euphoria or respiratory depression.
Huh? No euphoria? That's not what one Getbigger said. He said it was like having a little oven inside you keeping you warm, haha!
And I don't get this:
Bioavailability
Oral:
11% (young adults)
>44% (elderly)
LOL. Wtf?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NalbuphineAlso...it says no euphoria. I find that hard to believe?
As for Bob's comment that Nubain fucked up Tom's kidneys...Bob is in denial. Being 315-lb at 5'7.5" and the resulting skyrocketing of blood pressure fucked up Tom's kidneys. Opiates are not kidney toxic.
And people with money get better care, a doctor who makes sure they aren't getting malnourished and so on.
I have a friend who has been taking a 30mg codeine/500 paracetamol tablet for about 15 years straight. Sometimes up to 12 tabs a day. The docs told him "we really should start looking at a more permanent solution for you." I told my friend what I thought they meant, they are thinking of switching him over to oxycodone due to the toxicity of the paracetamol and because codeine is weak comparatively. But ai told him to think it over hard, you are committing to a lifelong regimen of basically heroin.
The Paracetamol [Tylenol] is WAY worse than the opiate!
Tylenol is such a useless antipyretic!
And yeah...being on any opiate is like being on heroin, systemically.
But that's my point:
Opiates are not systemically damage.
What happens is...OVERDO THEM...and you DIE.
Hence the lifespan for opiates users is shorter, due to the people using them irresponsibly and dying from respiratory depression.
But if you don't die, they don't do much damage to your organs...if any, really.
Again, you just die. Or go bankrupt. Or both.
Like I said, IMO, Bob is wrong about Nubain messing up Tom's kidneys. People have the mentality "It can't happen to me." So Bob wants to think Tom messed up his kidneys doing the only drug Bob wasn't doing. IMO, the bodybuilding/kidney risks are:
[1] High body weight = high blood pressure = destructive to kidneys over time.
[2] Cutting drugs / diuretics [dehydration] is hard on the kidneys.
Originally, I thought Nubain had Paracetamol in it, and that messed up Tom's organs. But that damages the liver [in doses over 3-4g daily]. Not the kidneys.
And look...I'm not rationalizing my own opiate dabbling. I'm CHOOSING to dabble in opiate stuff [and NOTHING else] in the future BECAUSE it's nontoxic, and because I have willpower.
I'm a hypochondriac...I don't want to mess up my body. IMO, doing 25mg of oxycodone once in a blue moon is a lot less toxic than getting piss drunk.
I could be wrong, but I truly believe opiates are extremely nontoxic.
Again...the issue is respiratory depression leading to death. If you skirt that, and skirt going bankrupt, the worst issue is constipation, IMO.
I am admittedly pro-opiate.
What other drug is that nontoxic? Keep in mind, I can't smoke weed [I get WAY too paranoid]. I wish I could smoke weed, but I can't.
My birthday is December 21st, which would be a perfect night for some oxycodone if I can find any.
