New picture of Mr FAT

[nicorulez]

So ND, if Dorian is not your favorite then name five bodybuilders who should have beaten Dorian during his reign.  I harp on this because you belabor the point that Coleman was in 9th place in 1997, so by de facto standards he would lose to Dorian in 1998.  You state since Ronnie only beat Flex by three points, there would have been no way in hell Coleman would have beaten Yates.  However, you just posted that Yates did not look good in 1997 and should have lost.  With that logic, since you feel Flex was better, Dorian would have been third in the 1998 Mr. Olympia.     Damn, that is quite a fall for your hero.  I feel your thorough dislike for Coleman has clouded your vision.  Coleman was better in 1998/1999 than Yates ever was.  His waist was tight and his muscles popped.  The only year your boy came close was 1992/1993; after those years he was a walking bag of shit.  His symmetry sucked and his gut...yes, GH gut...was pronounced.  Coleman just decided to take it to the next level.  However, beyond increasing his waist size, he supersized his thighs, hams, back, chest and arms.  So, even a supersized Coleman ala 2003-2005 would have dwarfed Dorian.  I surmise that from the front, Gutler would have schooled Yates.  Way better lines and thighs that are ripped.

[NarcissisticDeity]

funny how flex magazine in their 99 Olynmpia coverage talks about Ronnie's lines and aesthetics.

funny how several years of a monster gut can make people forget.

LMFAO at aesthetics , two of these bodybuilders have aesthetics and it isn't the one with the gut hanging out in back !!

[NarcissisticDeity]

So ND, if Dorian is not your favorite then name five bodybuilders who should have beaten Dorian during his reign.  I harp on this because you belabor the point that Coleman was in 9th place in 1997, so by de facto standards he would lose to Dorian in 1998.  You state since Ronnie only beat Flex by three points, there would have been no way in hell Coleman would have beaten Yates.  However, you just posted that Yates did not look good in 1997 and should have lost.  With that logic, since you feel Flex was better, Dorian would have been third in the 1998 Mr. Olympia.     Damn, that is quite a fall for your hero.  I feel your thorough dislike for Coleman has clouded your vision.  Coleman was better in 1998/1999 than Yates ever was.  His waist was tight and his muscles popped.  The only year your boy came close was 1992/1993; after those years he was a walking bag of shit.  His symmetry sucked and his gut...yes, GH gut...was pronounced.  Coleman just decided to take it to the next level.  However, beyond increasing his waist size, he supersized his thighs, hams, back, chest and arms.  So, even a supersized Coleman ala 2003-2005 would have dwarfed Dorian.  I surmise that from the front, Gutler would have schooled Yates.  Way better lines and thighs that are ripped.

Yates in 97 was still shredded although his gut was out of control couple that with a torn tri , he should have lost but he didn't and lets say he enetered in 98 looking the way he did , I would say he should have lost to Coleman & Flex but he wouldn't because he had the title and they don't let reigning  winner lose , Yates is a perfect example of that and so is Coleman

Now I say hypothetically if Yates conitued even after he tore his tricep injury free and kept improving Ronnie would have never beat him in 98 .

[Hulkster]

hmmm. I have the 99 video and ronnie's stomach is tight.

that gut pic from 99 may not be legit.

[NarcissisticDeity]

hmmm. I have the 99 video and ronnie's stomach is tight.

that gut pic from 99 may not be legit.

Oh stop it , its legit and Flex & Chris waste Coleman in the aesthetics dept !!

[nicorulez]

Once again ND, you make no sense.  In 1997, Dorian was going downhill fast.  Yes, the judges let the Mr. Olympia win as you have to knock out the champ.  But seriously, do you honestly believe that Dorian was going to get better.  That is like saying if Ronnie kept his gut in check (relatively) after the 2001 ASC and then magically put on 40 pounds of muscle everywhere else, he would win. No shit, if they got better there would not even be a discussion.  Dorian was getting worse, very much so.  In 1997, his symmetry was horrific.  He had a good back and calves; everything else was a cluster.  Ronnie looked amazing in 1998/1999.  If he would have gotten 2nd, hypothetically, to a bloated disproportionate Yates, there would have been a bigger outcry than Jay losing in 2001 to an off Coleman.  Thus, your post has no merit as you know damn well that Dorian was not going to get better.  After 1993, he was a making a progressive slide downwards and by 1997 he had driven off the cliff.  Ronnie was better and you know it.  Now, I agree it would be fun to compare the two from 1993(DY) to 1999/2003(RC) and have a hypothetical face-off.  It has been done time and time again, but at least you are comparing them in shape.  In 1998, it would have been no contest, unless the judging was fixed, which is couldn't possibly be in a pro show. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Once again ND, you make no sense.  In 1997, Dorian was going downhill fast.  Yes, the judges let the Mr. Olympia win as you have to knock out the champ.  But seriously, do you honestly believe that Dorian was going to get better.  That is like saying if Ronnie kept his gut in check (relatively) after the 2001 ASC and then magically put on 40 pounds of muscle everywhere else, he would win. No shit, if they got better there would not even be a discussion.  Dorian was getting worse, very much so.  In 1997, his symmetry was horrific.  He had a good back and calves; everything else was a cluster.  Ronnie looked amazing in 1998/1999.  If he would have gotten 2nd, hypothetically, to a bloated disproportionate Yates, there would have been a bigger outcry than Jay losing in 2001 to an off Coleman.  Thus, your post has no merit as you know damn well that Dorian was not going to get better.  After 1993, he was a making a progressive slide downwards and by 1997 he had driven off the cliff.  Ronnie was better and you know it.  Now, I agree it would be fun to compare the two from 1993(DY) to 1999/2003(RC) and have a hypothetical face-off.  It has been done time and time again, but at least you are comparing them in shape.  In 1998, it would have been no contest, unless the judging was fixed, which is couldn't possibly be in a pro show. 

You're not understanding what I said , I said hypothetically if Yates keep improving from 1995 on without any other mishaps or torn muscles there would be no way that Coleman would have beaten in 98 , the only other thing Ronnie had in 98 was mucg improved conditioning and that wouldn't beat even with a torn bicep

And let me state this if Dorian decided to enter the the 1998 Mr Olympia in the shape he enetered the 97 Olympia he would have won ever though he wouldn't deserve to , and there would be a big outcry and it would be a travisty , but A reiging Mr Olympia doesn't lose , the last time that happend was 1984 !!

[pumpster]

Using Cormier as an example of aesthetics isn't saying much-Martinez & Anthony smoke his ass. Cormier's got a special air of mediocrity about him, part of why he's always been over-hyped. Even in terms of aesthetics.

Coleman's aesthetics at his best were at least as good, better IMO; he just has a flow between  muscles accompanied by shape, that Cormier doesn't. Much better aesthetics than Yates, who never had much taper, with the powerlifter hips and waist.

Other than Ron's big advantages in taper, shape, flow, size, cuts, vascularity, bis, tris, delts & thighs, Yates is better.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Using Cormier as an example of aesthetics isn't saying much-Martinez & Anthony smoke his ass. Cormier's got a special air of mediocrity about him, part of why he's always been over-hyped. Even in terms of aesthetics.

Coleman's aesthetics at his best were at least as good, better IMO; he just has a flow between  muscles accompanied by shape, that Cormier doesn't. Much better aesthetics than Yates, who never had much taper, with the powerlifter hips and waist.

Other than Ron's big advantages in taper, shape, flow, size, cuts, vascularity, bis, tris, delts & thighs, Yates is better.

Cormier is among the best heavier aesthetic bodybuilders currently competing , better in my opinion than Martinez and at least on par with Melvin at a heavier weight !! Yates' doesn't have wide hips or a wide waist it became with a lot more weight , look at Yates in 91/92 look at Yates at 230lbs his waist is absolutely tiny as is his hips , and for all of you guys who say Yates has no taper why then does his ab-thigh shot not look like Cutlers? who at this point is probably as wide in the back as Yates was ? amd you say Ron has advatnages in taper , shape , flow , size , cuts , vasculairty , bis , tris , delts & thighs its all moot because he already better bigger guys , guys with better shape , smaller waists , etc he beat Coleman who was at his best weight around 250lbs but he wasn't at his best condition but even if he was Yates' conditioning was outstanding .

[pumpster]

Cormier: jack of all trades, definitely master of nothing. Even regarding aesthetics he's just not special enough.

Yates: joints were just too damn thick to make for nice sweeps or tapers-a domain of the bodybuilding greats. Yates had great density, thickness and conditioning.

[LuciusFox]

Yates in 97 was still shredded although his gut was out of control couple that with a torn tri , he should have lost but he didn't and lets say he enetered in 98 looking the way he did , I would say he should have lost to Coleman & Flex but he wouldn't because he had the title and they don't let reigning  winner lose , Yates is a perfect example of that and so is Coleman

Now I say hypothetically if Yates conitued even after he tore his tricep injury free and kept improving Ronnie would have never beat him in 98 .

 I actually agree with you

[nicorulez]

Face it, the fact of the matter is that Yate's did blow his bicep and you can't change that.  Thus, when he faced off against an in shape Coleman, he would have lost.   I don't believe that back double bi is from 1997, but maybe you can pull the article with pics.  The reason, in 1998/1999 he was way denser and thicker.  I believe that was Ronnie around 240.  Put 15 pounds on him with better conditioning, then we talk.  Yates looked bloated in 1995; his arm was already jacked.  Moreover, he started losing any semblance of symmetry after 1993.  Those B&W pics you love are from 1993.  Agreed, he was huge, but he was stll 10-15 pounds heavier than what he brought to the stage.  Also, the lighting was perfect and the photographer was excellent. Put pics of Ronnie in 2003 with controlled lighting and a similar B&W photographer and you would see that graininess and density show up better this way.  Digitalization to B&W does not cut it.  Anywho, the what if's are interesting, but most pro bodybuilders when asked who is from another world, Ronnie gets mentioned way more than Yates. 

[onlyme]

hmmm. I have the 99 video and ronnie's stomach is tight.

that gut pic from 99 may not be legit.

I feel you have allot of things of Ronnies. You either have to be Ronnie himself or at least related in some way.  And I'm pretty sure you are the National President for the Ronnie Coleman Fan Club.  COleman is definitely the most massive BB out there or ever.  No doubt.  But he is far from having the most pleasing body to look at.  Like I said somewhere else, do a poll in several major magazines like Life, Newsweek, Sports Illustrated, Time, Readers Digest, and a few more.  Show them a picture of Coleman along with Richard Jones or even Pavol.  Ask the readers what body they find most attractive and appealing and something they would love to have and COleman would barely receive 10% of the vote if that.  When Arnold was Mr. Olympia those numbers would be reversed, only 10% would not want his body.  Mr. Olympia got our of hand.  It is not a title to award the best built body anymore.  It is whoever is the biggest and freakiest looking.  There is nothing aesthetic about Coleman.  Sorry Hulkster

[pumpster]

The context has been completely forgotten, obviously.

Bodybuilding dating back to the 70s has rarely been about most aesthetic or appealing to the average joe. Ask someone in a poll in the 70s and Schwarzenegger comes in well behind Zane & Ed Corney with the general public.

Best to keep the different context in mind.

[LuciusFox]

I feel you have allot of things of Ronnies. You either have to be Ronnie himself or at least related in some way.  And I'm pretty sure you are the National President for the Ronnie Coleman Fan Club.  COleman is definitely the most massive BB out there or ever.  No doubt.  But he is far from having the most pleasing body to look at.  Like I said somewhere else, do a poll in several major magazines like Life, Newsweek, Sports Illustrated, Time, Readers Digest, and a few more.  Show them a picture of Coleman along with Richard Jones or even Pavol.  Ask the readers what body they find most attractive and appealing and something they would love to have and COleman would barely receive 10% of the vote if that.  When Arnold was Mr. Olympia those numbers would be reversed, only 10% would not want his body.  Mr. Olympia got our of hand.  It is not a title to award the best built body anymore.  It is whoever is the biggest and freakiest looking.  There is nothing aesthetic about Coleman.  Sorry Hulkster

 I thought he was very aesthetic around 98 and 99. Better than Flex no-torso Wheeler.

[Hulkster]

I thought he was very aesthetic around 98 and 99. Better than Flex no-torso Wheeler.

that is what I am saying, and that is what inside people (magazine writers) said back in 1998/9.

Just because Ronnie has had a big gut for the last 3 million years doesn't mean he didn't have great lines and taper at one time.

[LuciusFox]

that is what I am saying, and that is what inside people (magazine writers) said back in 1998/9.

Just because Ronnie has had a big gut for the last 3 million years doesn't mean he didn't have great lines and taper at one time.

 I don't see how people didn't think he was aesthetic. Small waist, nice lines and great thickness.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Coleman was never aesthetic , you guys think flaring quads and a small waist with wide shoulders equals aesthetic , it doesn't Mike Francios , fits that criteria to a T and he isn't aesthetic , Ronnie was always a bunch of impressive parts and at one time he managed to tie them together pretty good ( 240-250lbs ) and then he fucked it all up again , but aesthetic , not even close .

[bigdumbbell]

Coleman was never aesthetic , you guys think flaring quads and a small waist with wide shoulders equals aesthetic , it doesn't Mike Francios , fits that criteria to a T and he isn't aesthetic , Ronnie was always a bunch of impressive parts and at one time he managed to tie them together pretty good ( 240-250lbs ) and then he fucked it all up again , but aesthetic , not even close .

cut the crap  he was never aesthetic to you

[gtbro1]

Cute but makes no sense. You're basically saying that anyone in the audience at any conest must be gay.

NO...never said that. but I wouldn't go pay to see them..sorry.

[NarcissisticDeity]

cut the crap  he was never aesthetic to you

Oh please , why oh why din't he make the 20 most asethetic bodybuilders list then? I'll tell you why , because he has an ugly phsyique , no harmony , balance , a gigantic ass , a bloated stomach , believe me , he isn't in the leauge if ANY of that list !!

[Hulkster]

Oh please , why oh why din't he make the 20 most asethetic bodybuilders list then? I'll tell you why , because he has an ugly phsyique , no harmony , balance , a gigantic ass , a bloated stomach , believe me , he isn't in the leauge if ANY of that list !!

once again, 7 years of having a gut destorts people's memory of the truth.

[buffalo]

he looks like a fat guy who never worked out

are you kidding me???

how long have you followed bodybuilding to now know that the pros get huge in offseason.  It's not what the eye can see now, it's what's underneath....

[LuciusFox]

Oh please , why oh why din't he make the 20 most asethetic bodybuilders list then? I'll tell you why , because he has an ugly phsyique , no harmony , balance , a gigantic ass , a bloated stomach , believe me , he isn't in the leauge if ANY of that list !!

 I think he was aesthetic and so do many others

[bigdumbbell]

Oh please , why oh why din't he make the 20 most asethetic bodybuilders list then? I'll tell you why , because he has an ugly phsyique , no harmony , balance , a gigantic ass , a bloated stomach , believe me , he isn't in the leauge if ANY of that list !!

why?  LOL  like that validates something  because some jack0ff editor didnt like it, that's why