1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud

[obsidian]

Not true... simply bullshit... courts that looked at the evidence have been posted here ad nauseum . I can only surmise at this point Trumpsters refuse to even look at the evidence so that they can post things like this.. that "courts refused to look at it" Where the hell have you been for the last 2 years? You sould like you have been isolated from news and updates...

Only a trial can do that. If someone is murdered, the court can't look at evidence in the absence of a trial and make a verdict. Evidence has to be presented by lawyers and counter arguments made. A jury has to deliberate. Otherwise, a corrupt judge can just disqualify any case.

[obsidian]

You have to actually have SOMETHING that is valid and able to stand as evidence.  They didn't.   

It's been explained to you more than once and you are still too stupid to understand it.  That's your problem.

That can only be determined in a trial.

Do you think this idiot is making any major decisions? If not, who is?

Stop being a gullible moron and learn to think for yourself!!

[LurkerNoMore]

Yeah..the ones that no nothing about real estate

Well should be easy to provide links to where they attacked the court, the judge, the DA, etc..   Why don't you show us those links?   We can wait.  It won't come as a surprise when you can't because it is just something else you pulled out of your ass.

[LurkerNoMore]

That can only be determined in a trial.

Do you think this idiot is making any major decisions? If not, who is?

Stop being a gullible moron and learn to think for yourself!!

No it doesn't.  The evidence is used to determine whether or not a trial is necessary or has merits.  Their evidence did not achieve either of these results because they had none.  That is why it was tossed.

[OzmO]

Trump is pretty damn stupid. His judgement is so bad, I still find it hard to believe any rational adult would want this clown as president. Having the emotional growth of a 7 year old is a dangerous thing.

You could easily replace Trump with Bite'm and the sentence would make better sense.

I don't know that I would call Trump stupid.  He is likely reasonably intelligent.  What he does have is resolve, strength, and determination to get what he wants done.  So far, he has been pretty successful; he became POTUS and runs a multi-billion dollar empire.  What blows me away is his following.  It's cult-like in that people are willing to give him a pass on many issues.  They seem to rationalize these things as the evil media trying to bring America's savior down and therefore are overblown or simply not true.  For me, l think this guy is a scum bag and a baffoon.  Biden is no different in many ways in that he is a career politician who is likely corrupt and now borderline senile.  WE are fucked, 300+ million people and 2024 might be these 2 again?  WTF?

[LurkerNoMore]

Duhnold is still complaining about this trial having no jury.   

Whose fault is that Dumbo?

[Soul Crusher]

I don't know that I would call Trump stupid.  He is likely reasonably intelligent.  What he does have is resolve, strength, and determination to get what he wants done.  So far, he has been pretty successful; he became POTUS and runs a multi-billion dollar empire.  What blows me away is his following.  It's cult-like in that people are willing to give him a pass on many issues.  They seem to rationalize these things as the evil media trying to bring America's savior down and therefore are overblown or simply not true.  For me, l think this guy is a scum bag and a baffoon.  Biden is no different in many ways in that he is a career politician who is likely corrupt and now borderline senile.  WE are fucked, 300+ million people and 2024 might be these 2 again?  WTF?

The TDS crowd still doesnt get it.   We know what Trump is.  But his policies helped far more than the filth we have now.   The deranged lunatics obsessed about Trump the man ignore the fact that Bidens policies have wrecked this country. 

Anyone want 4 more years of Bidens disastrous policies or Trumps' economy and policies? 

Everything is a disaster in this country policy wise under this frail demented old progressive corrupt fool.  The economy, border, foreign policy, you name it - name one thing better now.  You can't nor can any Team Blue No Matter Who cult freak. 

[Dos Equis]

The TDS crowd still doesnt get it.   We know what Trump is.  But his policies helped far more than the filth we have now.   The deranged lunatics obsessed about Trump the man ignore the fact that Bidens policies have wrecked this country. 

Anyone want 4 more years of Bidens disastrous policies or Trumps' economy and policies? 

Everything is a disaster in this country policy wise under this frail demented old progressive corrupt fool.  The economy, border, foreign policy, you name it - name one thing better now.  You can't nor can any Team Blue No Matter Who cult freak.

This is absolutely correct.  The criticism of Trump is about personal dislike of the man.  When you look at his actual policy decisions and accomplishments they were outstanding.  No question better than Biden. 

People personally dislike Biden too, but his actual decisions have been a disaster.  The country is much worse off today than under Trump.

[obsidian]

No it doesn't.  The evidence is used to determine whether or not a trial is necessary or has merits.  Their evidence did not achieve either of these results because they had none.  That is why it was tossed.

Horseshit! Presenting evidence takes time. A judge can't look at it in a day and throw out the case. If there are 1000 witnesses how will the judge go through all that?

The USA is controlled by a Deep State. Biden is not really in charge. This is evident when you see him blunder on stage, groping at women and children, walking past podiums, just standing with his back to the audience looking confused. Sometimes he just plain spews incoherent garbage. The proof is right in front of you. The Deep State controls the MSM. They have the judges in their pockets. It's an "Empire of Lies". But I could care less what you think. Just know that the USA, Canada and other Western nations are circling the drain. It will collapse like Rome, guaranteed. I see Russia and China outlasting the West. They are not riddled with trannies, homos and pedos.

[LurkerNoMore]

Horseshit! Presenting evidence takes time. A judge can't look at it in a day and throw out the case. If there are 1000 witnesses how will the judge go through all that?

The USA is controlled by a Deep State. Biden is not really in charge. This is evident when you see him blunder on stage, groping at women and children, walking past podiums, just standing with his back to the audience looking confused. Sometimes he just plain spews incoherent garbage. The proof is right in front of you. The Deep State controls the MSM. They have the judges in their pockets. It's an "Empire of Lies". But I could care less what you think. Just know that the USA, Canada and other Western nations are circling the drain. It will collapse like Rome, guaranteed. I see Russia and China outlasting the West. They are not riddled with trannies, homos and pedos.

Yeah.  It takes time to present evidence.  The point is, they had NONE.  That is why the judges - many appointed by Republicans - tossed the cases.  They had NOTHING. 

[chaos]

I don't know that I would call Trump stupid.  He is likely reasonably intelligent.  What he does have is resolve, strength, and determination to get what he wants done.  So far, he has been pretty successful; he became POTUS and runs a multi-billion dollar empire.  What blows me away is his following.  It's cult-like in that people are willing to give him a pass on many issues.  They seem to rationalize these things as the evil media trying to bring America's savior down and therefore are overblown or simply not true.  For me, l think this guy is a scum bag and a baffoon.  Biden is no different in many ways in that he is a career politician who is likely corrupt and now borderline senile.  WE are fucked, 300+ million people and 2024 might be these 2 again?  WTF?

I would agree with most of this. People giving Trump a pass is no different than Trump haters giving Bite'm a pass, if these two are the choice in 2024, I know I won't be voting for Bite'm.
Term limits and age limits would solve tons of our problems.

[LurkerNoMore]

Trumpy claims that he is going to testify at his fraud trial.

hahahahahahahahahaa.    Yeah right.    Everyone knows what his record of testifying under oath is.   The only reason he spent 2.5 days attending the trial this week is so he wouldn't have to give a deposition in the lawsuit that he filed against Cohen. 

Fat chance that Orange turd will testify.

[OzmO]

I would agree with most of this. People giving Trump a pass is no different than Trump haters giving Bite'm a pass, if these two are the choice in 2024, I know I won't be voting for Bite'm.
Term limits and age limits would solve tons of our problems.

In my circle of peeps most, practically all except a few old friends on FB are fed up with both of them and their parties. 

[chaos]

In my circle of peeps most, practically all except a few old friends on FB are fed up with both of them and their parties.

There's a few hardcore Trumpers in my circle, most would vote Trump over Bite'm, absolutely zero Bite'm supporters, quite a few have talked about not voting because of the same two candidates and parties.

[Dos Equis]

The NY AG posted this.  The city/county doesn't do an appraisal.  They do an assessment.  The assessment is almost always lower than the appraised value.  Appraised value = market value.  She really is a dummy.  This is the woman who campaigned for AG on the promise to "get Trump."  Ozmo you ok with this? 

[LurkerNoMore]

It's funny seeing Trumpturds arguing about the value and numbers of Mar-A-Lardo being incorrect and yet keeping quiet about the values and numbers Trumpy used elsewhere.  I mean, it's only like what this entire case is about.   

Funny numbers is ok when Trumpy uses them but not when anyone else does?

Ok, so does this mean he will be receiving an amended tax bill for the property over the years or what?   

[Primemuscle]

Anyone want 4 more years of Bidens disastrous policies or Trumps' economy and policies? 

Policies, both good and bad, can and often do change with each Administration. Huge national debt increases stay with us forever.

Four more years of Trump economics, (increases in national debt) could bankrupt the U.S.

The national debt increased by almost $7.8 trillion between 2016 to 2020. Expect tax increases because this is about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country. This deficit under Trump is the third-biggest increase in history. Unlike under George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln’s increases in deficits, Trump did not launch two foreign conflicts or pay for a civil war.

To be fair, Biden's administration isn't doing much better. As of last February, the debt increased about $3.7 trillion since Biden took office.

[OzmO]

Policies, both good and bad, can and often do change with each Administration. Huge national debt increases stay with us forever.

Four more years of Trump economics, (increases in national debt) could bankrupt the U.S.

The national debt increased by almost $7.8 trillion between 2016 to 2020. Expect tax increases because this is about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country. This deficit under Trump is the third-biggest increase in history. Unlike under George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln’s increases in deficits, Trump did not launch two foreign conflicts or pay for a civil war.

To be fair, Biden's administration isn't doing much better. As of last February, the debt increased about $3.7 trillion since Biden took office.

I don't want either of these clowns.

We need new representation/appointments in all 3 branches of government.   

[Coach is Back!]

It's funny seeing Trumpturds arguing about the value and numbers of Mar-A-Lardo being incorrect and yet keeping quiet about the values and numbers Trumpy used elsewhere.  I mean, it's only like what this entire case is about.   

Funny numbers is ok when Trumpy uses them but not when anyone else does?

Ok, so does this mean he will be receiving an amended tax bill for the property over the years or what?   

Because those with common sense (unlike you) knows if she fudged the numbers there she did it across the board with everything. Should we draw it out on a white board for you with stick figures?

 Banks were paid back with interest, on time and in some cases before the loans came due. Banks aren’t complaining. No one was hurt. Who are the victims here? I can tell you by illegally dissolving his businesses in NY….the city of NY are the victims because of incompetence on the judge and a proven Marxist AG.

[OzmO]

The NY AG posted this.  The city/county doesn't do an appraisal.  They do an assessment.  The assessment is almost always lower than the appraised value.  Appraised value = market value.  She really is a dummy.  This is the woman who campaigned for AG on the promise to "get Trump."  Ozmo you ok with this? 

If this fraud case hinged on Mar-a-Lago's value assessment I likely wouldn't be ok with this.  However, it is not the "only" evidence presented.

It seems people are consistently using Mar-a-Lago as the basis to challenge the credibility of the fraud charge.  Some seem to be using it to justify that there shouldn't be any charges in the first place while not addressing or ignoring all the other stuff.  Are you? 

I don't care that this woman campaigned on the promise to get Trump.  Is she the only person ever to make promises to "get people"?

What I care about is that Trump gets a fair trial, that the evidence is sound, and the law is clear; and that his consequences are in proportion to his crime.  I say this again, I don't agree with this corporate death penalty.

Same with Biden, and the rest of them.

Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think it's healthy

[Dos Equis]

If this fraud case hinged on Mar-a-Lago's value assessment I likely wouldn't be ok with this.  However, it is not the "only" evidence presented.

It seems people are consistently using Mar-a-Lago as the basis to challenge the credibility of the fraud charge.  Some seem to be using it to justify that there shouldn't be any charges in the first place while not addressing or ignoring all the other stuff.  Are you? 

I don't care that this woman campaigned on the promise to get Trump.  Is she the only person ever to make promises to "get people"?

What I care about is that Trump gets a fair trial, that the evidence is sound, and the law is clear; and that his consequences are in proportion to his crime.  I say this again, I don't agree with this corporate death penalty.

Same with Biden, and the rest of them.

Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think it's healthy

This alleged overvaluing of his property is a cornerstone of the case.  That's why this dummy posted that picture/chart on Twitter.  It's ironic that she is accusing Trump of misrepresenting his value, when that is precisely what she is doing.  A mistake this egregious calls into question everything she is doing. 

Yes, it is unprecedented for an attorney general to campaign on a promise to "get" a private citizen.  I cannot believe you're ok with that.  It's insane.  No one with the power of law enforcement should be able to run for office with the promise of targeting a private citizen. 

How is Trump supposed to get a fair trial when the AG campaigned on a promise to "get Trump" and the judge called Trump a "bad guy" a year ago? 

And we still have this glaring problem with the fact there is no victim.  The banks are not complaining.  They loaned money.  Trump repaid it with interest.  And they want to seize his business because of this?  Put his business in a receivership?  Receiverships are for insolvent businesses. 

I think my blood pressure just increased typing this stuff. lol  I'm just incredibly bothered by how fascistic this whole thing is.  This isn't about Trump.  It's about protecting our country.  We cannot allow this kind of crap to happen.

[LurkerNoMore]

Because those with common sense (unlike you) knows if she fudged the numbers there she did it across the board with everything. Should we draw it out on a white board for you with stick figures?

 Banks were paid back with interest, on time and in some cases before the loans came due. Banks aren’t complaining. No one was hurt. Who are the victims here? I can tell you by illegally dissolving his businesses in NY….the city of NY are the victims because of incompetence on the judge and a proven Marxist AG.

Retards void of common sense like you do not see the irony or hypocrisy in your own statements. 

So since it worth 10x or 50x or whatever he claims now as opposed to what the judge said, he won't be complaining when he gets served an adjusted tax bill and owes more money right?

[Coach is Back!]

Retards void of common sense like you do not see the irony or hypocrisy in your own statements. 

So since it worth 10x or 50x or whatever he claims now as opposed to what the judge said, he won't be complaining when he gets served an adjusted tax bill and owes more money right?

I’m sure there won’t be any adjusted tax bill since the corporation has been paying almost the same for years based on assessments, And if the “judge” and Marxist Willis has under valued his NY properties based on THEIR assessments, then I would guess he’s due a giant fucking refund.

[LurkerNoMore]

I’m sure there won’t be any adjusted tax bill since the corporation has been paying almost the same for years based on assessments, And if the “judge” and Marxist Willis has under valued his NY properties based on THEIR assessments, then I would guess he’s due a giant fucking refund.

Big jump from 18M to 500+M.   Big tax bill for all the years prior that it was undervalued.  Sounds like you better double up on the donations to him.

[Agnostic007]

I don't want either of these clowns.

We need new representation/appointments in all 3 branches of government.

agree