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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #175 on: October 07, 2023, 02:10:35 PM »
I don't want either of these clowns.

We need new representation/appointments in all 3 branches of government.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #176 on: October 07, 2023, 05:31:32 PM »
We have agreement. This is a rarity on Getbig.  :)
In the overall scheme of things, I think people are starting to realize, right or left, the government is not our friend and does not have the best interest of the people in mind.
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« Reply #177 on: October 09, 2023, 08:45:47 AM »
Accurate.  Duhnold's attempt to turn the trial into a Frye Fest type disaster will only backfire just like  his numerous Hail Mary’s of appeals did and all the other motions that were squashed.   The little dumpster fire he started was already a scandal-riddled disaster that will only lead to bankruptcy for him and sanctions for his attorneys.  Which is all fine and dandy.  GOOD TIMES!


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Team Trump Is Using ‘Fyre Festival Strategies’ in NY Fraud Case
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In the weeks leading up to the start of his $250 million civil fraud trial in New York, Donald Trump and his attorneys privately discussed how they believed defeat in this trial was preordained. Their best chance — and it wasn’t much, according to two sources familiar with the matter and another two people briefed on internal deliberations — would be to fight the case on appeal.

This belief led to the development of an approach to the case that centers around chaos and cacophony, rather than any attempt to win it on the merits. One person close to Trump describes it as the “Fyre Festival strategies.”

That approach — “let’s just do it and be legends,” in the words of the festival’s founder —  famously turned Fyre Fest into a scandal-riddled disaster. But Trump and his lawyers are hoping that their legal strategy in their ongoing courtroom “suicide mission” will score some political and public-relations points for Trump, kick up as much dirt as possible, enrage the judge, gratuitously trash some of the witnesses, and turn the process into a media circus.

The aggressive approach is likely to appeal to the former president’s notable taste for the jugular. But the client-pleasing strategy also risks undermining the longer term legal work of defending the Trump business empire that propelled him to fame and the presidency as its future hangs in doubt.

Judge Arthur Engoron has already fined Trump’s attorneys $7,500 each for repeatedly bringing up legal arguments he had already barred. But in recent weeks, Trump has privately suggested that his lawyers should not “worry” for now about getting further sanctions by the court for their planned procedural antics, the sources tell Rolling Stone.

Instructed to ignore such concerns, his attorneys have crafted a courtroom game plan that leans on heavy-handed tactics such as deeply personal, at times (in the phrasing of a Trump adviser) “below the belt” attacks on witnesses, prosecutors, and the judge, and also planned threats of retaliatory lawsuits against some of those same people.

Trump and his lawyers — who include Chris Kise, Alina Habba, and Jesus Suarez for this trial — have also long settled on a roster of delay tactics that are almost guaranteed to antagonize Judge Engoron. This includes going into trial, which could last months, with the intention of grilling witnesses with lengthy, meandering questions and repeating again and again arguments that the judge has already deemed frivolous, the sources say.

“A lot of this is just begging for sanctions,” says one attorney who’s known Trump for years. “It is not how I’d do it, but…maybe that’s a reason I’m not on the [legal] team.”

In the weeks prior to the start of the trial, Trump had specifically discussed with some of his legal and political advisers how much he was looking forward to his attorneys making Michael Cohen “cry” on the stand, a person familiar with the situation says. Trump’s former lawyer and fixer is now a listed witness for New York attorney general Letitia James’ office, and the ex-president constantly has revenge on his mind.

Trump hopes that this will be achieved by relentlessly attacking his ex-fixer’s character, intelligence, professional acumen, federal criminal charges, and even personal life. The former president has encouraged his legal team to “fight rough and fight dirty, if you got to” with Cohen and others during the trial, a person close to Trump says, paraphrasing the ex-president. This source has spoken repeatedly to Trump about this case, and adds the former president gets especially animated or agitated when Cohen comes up.


Cohen, however, insists he’s not worried.

“I have provided a hundred hours of testimony before members of Congress, law enforcement agencies and committees whose, on behalf of Donald, primary goal was to denigrate me, discredit me and harass me. None of it has worked and it won’t work now when I take the stand in the [New York attorney general’s] case,” the former Trump attorney tells Rolling Stone. “I am certain Judge Engoron will not allow Donald’s legal team to make a mockery of his court and allow these antics to occur.”


If the team sticks to their, and their client’s, plans, Engoron’s interventions won’t stop them from trying — many times.

Suarez, in particular, has already earned Engoron’s ire with a lengthy questioning of Trump’s former accountant, Donald Bender.

As the Trump attorney tried to walk Bender through a lengthy series of repetitive questions concerning nearly a dozen years worth of Trump financial filings, Engoron blew up at what he called a “ridiculous” line of inquiry that would “waste time.” At one point Suarez even asked Bender if he had “any mental health reasons [he] can’t testify today,” prompting an objection from the attorney general’s office.

It is a bombastic, quintessentially Trumpian legal strategy that’s less geared towards impressing a judge who Trump openly despises, and more a PR blitz aimed at “the Fox News set,” one of the sources briefed on the plans characterizes.

And it’s a strategy that Engoron appears to be aware of. “Who are you talking to — me, the press or the audience?” he barked at Trump’s lawyers on Tuesday.

Still, among Trump’s many attorneys and different legal teams, this approach is not without its detractors. Trump’s legal teams, including ones now tasked with handling the high-stakes civil and criminal cases against him, are routinely fraught with infighting, backstabbing, power grabs, and turnover. There are some Trump legal counselors who believe this strategy could easily backfire, result in too many expensive sanctions, and ultimately make an appeal harder, not easier, people with knowledge of the matter say. There are also some Trump attorneys who are convinced that if the current strategy fails to deliver for the ex-president, he will harshly blame and scream at his legal team, even though the mud-slinging was his own preferred strategy in the first place.

There are scant signs of imminent shakeup for this particular Trump legal crew. But that doesn’t mean the former president isn’t keen on keeping his options open. In the past two weeks, Trump has discussed with some of his longtime associates the names of other defense attorneys who he has considered asking to join the New York legal team, two sources with knowledge of the matter say. Some of the names that Trump recently floated were lawyers who didn’t even have a background in the kind of laws at the center of this trial.

The civil trial currently playing out in a New York courtroom represents the culmination of a years-long investigation by New York state attorney general Letitia James into allegations of fraud against the Trump Organization, the heart of the 45th U.S. president’s business empire. James initiated the investigation in 2019 and brought a suit against the former president’s company in 2022, claiming that the organization had engaged in fraud by dramatically overvaluing its assets to the tune of many millions of dollars.

In late September, Engoron ruled that Trump and his sons were liable for fraud alleged in the suit, revoking their business licenses and putting the financial stability of Trump’s family business at risk.

That helped prompt Trump, who has often preferred to skip legal proceedings, to make a rare — and voluntary — public appearance in court last week. He has used the occasion to bask in the publicity surrounding the case, call for the presiding judge, Engoron, to be disbarred, floated baseless conspiracy theories about the court clerk on social media, and earned himself a gag order for the attack on court staff.

Sources who have spoken to the former president say that Trump has repeatedly stressed that his visits to the courthouse were motivated by a desire to publicly defend his long-curated reputation as a talented businessman, his net worth, and claims about the value of his assets — all of which have come into question as a result of the case.

The sources say that the former president is uniquely sensitive to allegations that he and his business inflated their value and has long attached a strong emotional weight to his status on the Forbes magazine list of richest Americans.

In an apparent sign of how much the case has rattled Trump, a person with direct knowledge of the matter tells Rolling Stone that in the last month the former president has repeatedly interjected comments, entirely unprompted, about his wealth in the middle of unrelated conversations. In these sudden outbursts, Trump complains that people are “lying” about his personal and corporate net worth and the value of his Florida club, Mar-a-Lago, the source adds.

Furthermore, Trump has signaled he wants to testify in the case. “At the appropriate time I will be,” he told reporters on Tuesday in New York. James, too, has indicated a desire to put the former president, his sons, Don Jr and Eric, and his daughter, Ivanka, on the stand. As The Daily Beast first reported, the New York attorney general listed all four Trumps in a proposed witness list.

The former president is famous for delivering public bluster about how much he’d relish testifying for an investigation or during an official proceeding, only to later have his attorneys deploy delay tactic after delay tactic. This is in part due to his legal teams’ recurring fears over the many years about just how much he would uncontrollably lie or possibly incriminate himself under oath.

“Of course that remains an issue, as always,” says a source familiar with the Trump team’s internal discussions on this.

“But,” this person predicts, “we have a while to go before he would even [possibly] take the stand.”
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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #178 on: October 09, 2023, 10:03:45 AM »
This alleged overvaluing of his property is a cornerstone of the case.  That's why this dummy posted that picture/chart on Twitter.  It's ironic that she is accusing Trump of misrepresenting his value, when that is precisely what she is doing.  A mistake this egregious calls into question everything she is doing. 


Cornerstone? lol.  It's one part of many that must be carefully examined and challenged.  To say that it's a "cornerstone" is obviously cherry-picking to make a point as the basis of selling outrage. If it was just Mar-a-Largo you and I would agree. Why does it seem like most Trump backers are ignoring the other evidence?  I think it should all be questioned and will be because that's what this is about.

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Yes, it is unprecedented for an attorney general to campaign on a promise to "get" a private citizen.  I cannot believe you're ok with that.  It's insane.  No one with the power of law enforcement should be able to run for office with the promise of targeting a private citizen. 

How is Trump supposed to get a fair trial when the AG campaigned on a promise to "get Trump" and the judge called Trump a "bad guy" a year ago? 

How?  Simple: Follow the rule of law and allow representation to argue on his behalf which is happening.

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And we still have this glaring problem with the fact there is no victim.  The banks are not complaining.  They loaned money.  Trump repaid it with interest.  And they want to seize his business because of this?  Put his business in a receivership?  Receiverships are for insolvent businesses. 

He broke the law (assuming that's the result of this).  And based on the way the law reads there doesn't have to be a victim or even a complaint.  He is being charged with committing fraud on many many counts, not just Mar-a-Largo.

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I think my blood pressure just increased typing this stuff. lol  I'm just incredibly bothered by how fascistic this whole thing is.  This isn't about Trump.  It's about protecting our country.  We cannot allow this kind of crap to happen.

I don't think it's fantastic at all.  The dude is dirty (most all of them are).  If it was just this fraud case, maybe, but its not, just like its not just Mar-a-Largo. 

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #179 on: October 09, 2023, 10:04:22 AM »
In the overall scheme of things, I think people are starting to realize, right or left, the government is not our friend and does not have the best interest of the people in mind.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #180 on: October 09, 2023, 03:59:41 PM »
Cornerstone? lol.  It's one part of many that must be carefully examined and challenged.  To say that it's a "cornerstone" is obviously cherry-picking to make a point as the basis of selling outrage. If it was just Mar-a-Largo you and I would agree. Why does it seem like most Trump backers are ignoring the other evidence?  I think it should all be questioned and will be because that's what this is about.

How?  Simple: Follow the rule of law and allow representation to argue on his behalf which is happening.

He broke the law (assuming that's the result of this).  And based on the way the law reads there doesn't have to be a victim or even a complaint.  He is being charged with committing fraud on many many counts, not just Mar-a-Largo.

I don't think it's fantastic at all.  The dude is dirty (most all of them are).  If it was just this fraud case, maybe, but its not, just like its not just Mar-a-Largo.

Yes it's the cornerstone of the "case" against Trump.  Why else would the AG tweet out the picture I posted, but nothing else?  Obviously, because it's the claim that has the largest discrepancy.  You have to be wearing blinders to not see this is the focal point of their case. 

Why is it Trump haters ignore the law, fundamental fairness, targeting, election interference, etc.?  Because you dislike the man so much that none of those things matter.  He's just a bad guy, so anything goes.  That's what we have seen since 2016.  And as I keep saying, this is much bigger than Trump. 

So it's just simple to put the admitted bias of the AG and the biased comments from the judge in a box and pretend they didn't happen.  That's nuts.

Ensure you say it correctly:  he is being charged with defrauding lenders.  Those lenders loaned him money.  He repaid the money with interest.  The lenders are not complaining.  They didn't lose a dime.  Neither did any other consumer.  And for that, they are trying to put his business in a receivership and shut down all of his New York operations. 

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #181 on: October 09, 2023, 07:42:03 PM »
Oh, the Trumpy haters most certainly do care about election interference.  That is exactly why he and the other dumb asses who tried it have indictments against them.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #182 on: October 10, 2023, 07:33:09 AM »
Yes it's the cornerstone of the "case" against Trump.  Why else would the AG tweet out the picture I posted, but nothing else?  Obviously, because it's the claim that has the largest discrepancy.  You have to be wearing blinders to not see this is the focal point of their case. 

You don't think there are other possible reasons the pic was tweeted out and the only reason is that it's the cornerstone of the case?  Seriously?  And that the AG did this why?  How does she doing this affect the rule of law (ROL) in this case?

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Why is it Trump haters ignore the law, fundamental fairness, targeting, election interference, etc.?  Because you dislike the man so much that none of those things matter.  He's just a bad guy, so anything goes.  That's what we have seen since 2016.  And as I keep saying, this is much bigger than Trump. 

I hope not, in light of the FBI revelations and inactivity on Biden and his son.

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So it's just simple to put the admitted bias of the AG and the biased comments from the judge in a box and pretend they didn't happen.  That's nuts.

I am not saying this things weren't said (not sure about anyone else).  However, the ROL should prevent a bias from violating someone's right to a fair trial.   

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Ensure you say it correctly:  he is being charged with defrauding lenders.  Those lenders loaned him money.  He repaid the money with interest.  The lenders are not complaining.  They didn't lose a dime.  Neither did any other consumer.  And for that, they are trying to put his business in a receivership and shut down all of his New York operations.

He is being charged with committing fraud that resulted in him getting favorable terms on loans which violates a New York state law. 
The principle you keep stating doesn't matter here in regard to the law itself.   Now, I personally think this is way over the line in terms of this draconian type of punishment. 

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #183 on: October 10, 2023, 09:53:17 AM »
You don't think there are other possible reasons the pic was tweeted out and the only reason is that it's the cornerstone of the case?  Seriously?  And that the AG did this why?  How does she doing this affect the rule of law (ROL) in this case?

I hope not, in light of the FBI revelations and inactivity on Biden and his son.

I am not saying this things weren't said (not sure about anyone else).  However, the ROL should prevent a bias from violating someone's right to a fair trial.   

He is being charged with committing fraud that resulted in him getting favorable terms on loans which violates a New York state law. 
The principle you keep stating doesn't matter here in regard to the law itself.   Now, I personally think this is way over the line in terms of this draconian type of punishment.

All of the loans were paid back with interest.  There was no victim. 

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« Reply #184 on: October 10, 2023, 11:21:05 AM »
All of the loans were paid back with interest.  There was no victim.

I have acknowledged that several times.  What I am saying is that the law does not require a victim and it allows a penalty regardless.  You can point that out all day long, until your fingertips bleed from typing but nothing will change that.

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Prompt: Where does it say in the New York State NY Executive Law 63 (12) that there doesn't have to be a complaint or victim for someone to commit fraud?

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The New York State Executive Law 63(12) allows the attorney general to bring an action against a person or entity for "repeated fraudulent or illegal acts" in the conduct of business. The law is designed to protect the public interest and does not necessarily require a specific victim or complaint to initiate action. The focus is on "fraudulent or illegal acts" that are "repeated" or demonstrate "persistent fraud or illegality."

The key phrase often cited is that the attorney general may act "whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business."

This provision allows the attorney general to act proactively to protect the public interest, even if no specific complaint has been filed or individual victim identified. The aim is to prevent ongoing or future harm to the public by stopping fraudulent or illegal business practices.


I am not trying to be a dick about this guys, but that's the law they are using.  So complaining or trying to make a point about there being no victim is moot here.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #185 on: October 10, 2023, 11:24:14 AM »
I have acknowledged that several times.  What I am saying is that the law does not require a victim and it allows a penalty regardless.  You can point that out all day long, until your fingertips bleed from typing but nothing will change that.

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The New York State Executive Law 63(12) allows the attorney general to bring an action against a person or entity for "repeated fraudulent or illegal acts" in the conduct of business. The law is designed to protect the public interest and does not necessarily require a specific victim or complaint to initiate action. The focus is on "fraudulent or illegal acts" that are "repeated" or demonstrate "persistent fraud or illegality."

The key phrase often cited is that the attorney general may act "whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business."

This provision allows the attorney general to act proactively to protect the public interest, even if no specific complaint has been filed or individual victim identified. The aim is to prevent ongoing or future harm to the public by stopping fraudulent or illegal business practices.

You can try and type all day long that no victim is required, but you will always get tripped up by common sense and your quote:  "The aim is to prevent ongoing or future harm to the public by stopping fraudulent or illegal business practices."

There is no ongoing or future harm, because that requires a victim.  You shouldn't die on this hill.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #186 on: October 10, 2023, 11:25:19 AM »
You can try and type all day long that no victim is required, but you will always get tripped up by common sense and your quote:  "The aim is to prevent ongoing or future harm to the public by stopping fraudulent or illegal business practices."

There is no ongoing or future harm, because that requires a victim.  You shouldn't die on this hill.

I am just telling you all this is what they are using to get him. 

And if its as you say, then it shouldn't be too hard for his lawyers to get him out of it?

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« Reply #187 on: October 10, 2023, 11:37:17 AM »
You can try and type all day long that no victim is required, but you will always get tripped up by common sense and your quote:  "The aim is to prevent ongoing or future harm to the public by stopping fraudulent or illegal business practices."

There is no ongoing or future harm, because that requires a victim.  You shouldn't die on this hill.

When one is riddled with TDS - all sense and logic goes out the window.   

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #188 on: October 10, 2023, 01:15:59 PM »
When one is riddled with TDS - all sense and logic goes out the window.

This is true.  Otherwise smart people just lose their minds when it comes to Trump. 

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #189 on: October 10, 2023, 04:30:53 PM »
You can try and type all day long that no victim is required, but you will always get tripped up by common sense and your quote:  "The aim is to prevent ongoing or future harm to the public by stopping fraudulent or illegal business practices."

There is no ongoing or future harm, because that requires a victim.  You shouldn't die on this hill.

The law is the law. There was a time when you needed a spouse to file charges against you in order to be charged with domestic violence. We found that didn't work out so well. This seems to be a similar situation. IF all a crook has to do is agree to pay restitution to the people they defrauded to avoid being charged and convicted, then there is no incentive for a crook NOT to defraud anyone. We caught on to that as well and apparently took steps to hold people accountable.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #190 on: October 10, 2023, 04:41:23 PM »
The law is the law. There was a time when you needed a spouse to file charges against you in order to be charged with domestic violence. We found that didn't work out so well. This seems to be a similar situation. IF all a crook has to do is agree to pay restitution to the people they defrauded to avoid being charged and convicted, then there is no incentive for a crook NOT to defraud anyone. We caught on to that as well and apparently took steps to hold people accountable.

It is not in the same universe as a domestic violence situation.  You always have a victim in those situations.  Terrible comparison. 

And it's nothing like a restitution.  It's the repayment of a loan, with interest, in accordance with whatever they negotiated with the lender. 

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #191 on: October 10, 2023, 04:48:12 PM »
It is not in the same universe as a domestic violence situation.  You always have a victim in those situations.  Terrible comparison. 

And it's nothing like a restitution.  It's the repayment of a loan, with interest, in accordance with whatever they negotiated with the lender.

IF the repayment was within the stipulations of the agreement, I agree. If the repayment was made as a last ditch effort to avoid prosecution, I don't agree. If they repaid the loan according to the terms, why are we even hearing about it?

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #192 on: October 10, 2023, 05:18:47 PM »
IF the repayment was within the stipulations of the agreement, I agree. If the repayment was made as a last ditch effort to avoid prosecution, I don't agree. If they repaid the loan according to the terms, why are we even hearing about it?

Holy smokes.  You mean we actually agree??  These loans are from many years ago.  All were repaid years before this witch hunt started.

So yes, why we are we even talking about this now?  Because Trump is running for president and they are doing whatever they can to prevent that from happening.  That's the only reason.  If he would have faded off into the sunset in 2020, none of this would be happening.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #193 on: October 10, 2023, 08:26:09 PM »
Those of us who see trump for what he is... we'll do anything to save our country. Picture yourself and other trumpsters as Jonestown residents a week before the cyanide laced drinks.. We are sending in a delegation to help you... don't be like they were back then.. don't shoot our emissaries.. listen to what we are trying to tell you. Trump is a con man.... who is out for Trump. Do NOT drink the Kool-Aid. We are not looking forward to seeing your bloated carcasses.  Yes Biden sucks.. but Trump sucks 10X worse... Biden is a typical idiot politician.. Trump is "the best idiot ever.. " that's what it boils down to.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #194 on: October 11, 2023, 08:18:51 AM »
The loans were not illegal.  The repayment is not the issue.  The crime is the false valuation of his business assets.  It's pretty much spelled out in the indictment.   ::)

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« Reply #195 on: October 11, 2023, 08:24:05 AM »
Those of us who see trump for what he is... we'll do anything to save our country. Picture yourself and other trumpsters as Jonestown residents a week before the cyanide laced drinks.. We are sending in a delegation to help you... don't be like they were back then.. don't shoot our emissaries.. listen to what we are trying to tell you. Trump is a con man.... who is out for Trump. Do NOT drink the Kool-Aid. We are not looking forward to seeing your bloated carcasses.  Yes Biden sucks.. but Trump sucks 10X worse... Biden is a typical idiot politician.. Trump is "the best idiot ever.. " that's what it boils down to.

This and everything else going on seems to highlight the dissatisfaction we all feel about our so-called representative government.  How does a man like Trump get any serious consideration?  Because the rest of the field is complete crap.  People don't feel represented and are left with supporting anyone who talks directly about their concerns whether they actually do anything about them or not. 

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #196 on: October 11, 2023, 09:49:46 AM »
Those of us who see trump for what he is... we'll do anything to save our country. Picture yourself and other trumpsters as Jonestown residents a week before the cyanide laced drinks.. We are sending in a delegation to help you... don't be like they were back then.. don't shoot our emissaries.. listen to what we are trying to tell you. Trump is a con man.... who is out for Trump. Do NOT drink the Kool-Aid. We are not looking forward to seeing your bloated carcasses.  Yes Biden sucks.. but Trump sucks 10X worse... Biden is a typical idiot politician.. Trump is "the best idiot ever.. " that's what it boils down to.

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #197 on: October 11, 2023, 09:54:41 AM »
This and everything else going on seems to highlight the dissatisfaction we all feel about our so-called representative government.  How does a man like Trump get any serious consideration?  Because the rest of the field is complete crap.  People don't feel represented and are left with supporting anyone who talks directly about their concerns whether they actually do anything about them or not.

How does Trump get serious consideration?  Oh I don't know.  Maybe because he was phenomenally successful as POTUS?  Record breaking economy.  Record breaking stock market.  Affordable gas.  Affordable food. Record low unemployment.  Record high employment.  Low inflation.  Low interest rates.  Dramatic reduction in the corporate tax rate and tax cuts across the board for everyone.  Record numbers dropping off of public assistance.  Enforcing immigration laws and securing the border.  Investments in poor communities.  First POTUS in my lifetime to not start an armed conflict.  Got North Korea to stand down.  Secured peace deals in the Middle East.  Corrected the mess Obama created in Iraq and Syria. 

There is more, but if any reasonable person is looking at his actual record and not making an emotional decision, it's not hard to see why people support him. 

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #198 on: October 11, 2023, 09:59:46 AM »
How does Trump get serious consideration?  Oh I don't know.  Maybe because he was phenomenally successful as POTUS?  Record breaking economy.  Record breaking stock market.  Affordable gas.  Affordable food. Record low unemployment.  Record high employment.  Low inflation.  Low interest rates.  Dramatic reduction in the corporate tax rate and tax cuts across the board for everyone.  Record numbers dropping off of public assistance.  Enforcing immigration laws and securing the border.  Investments in poor communities.  First POTUS in my lifetime to not start an armed conflict.  Got North Korea to stand down.  Secured peace deals in the Middle East.  Corrected the mess Obama created in Iraq and Syria. 

There is more, but if any reasonable person is looking at his actual record and not making an emotional decision, it's not hard to see why people support him.

A post like this shows just how nuts and insane these lunatics are.  They prefer WW3 , a disaster economy, a disaster country, all because of their personal hatred of a man, regardless of the fact his policies were the best in anyones lifetime.   These liberal kooks and cultists are sick in the fng head.   

Let them all go die in Ukraine for Biden for all I care. 

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Re: 1 of 4? New York judge finds Donald Trump liable for fraud
« Reply #199 on: October 11, 2023, 10:29:36 AM »
A post like this shows just how nuts and insane these lunatics are.  They prefer WW3 , a disaster economy, a disaster country, all because of their personal hatred of a man, regardless of the fact his policies were the best in anyones lifetime.   These liberal kooks and cultists are sick in the fng head.   

Let them all go die in Ukraine for Biden for all I care.

It's really a shame how Trump has broken people.

I was leaving the store on Sunday after buying food for the fam and reflecting how much the cost of food has increased.  I'm paying at least $100 a week more for food now.  I can absorb it, but a lot of families cannot.  This inflation has to be crushing a lot of people.

But hey at least we don't have to read mean tweets from the POTUS.