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Re: Israel Attacked - Discussion?
« Reply #575 on: October 27, 2023, 06:23:22 PM »
You're confused. A 2 million-strong Pakistani military group will be a prime target for a few strategic nukes. The days of invading nuclear powers with an army is over. The nations being invaded will resort to nuking the aggressors.
Are we back to the ADHD tangent of America being invaded?

If the American dollar crashes, America will be a socialist hell hole over night. You won't be worrying about defending the country, you'll be fighting to get out. You think socialist are insufferable when you have a wealthy society wait until it's not, it'll be much much much worst.

The most probable likely to occur scenario is that Iran continually attacks the Persian gulf, trying to take out global oil production. Russia would be on board with this for obvious reasons, China would automatically get cut off from the oil if they invade Taiwan, via the US Navy.

If China is in this thing, they have every motivation to keep it a 3 front war, and can easily sent canon fodder to Ukraine/Iran.

You don't need to "win a war" you need to exhaust America's willingness to fight the war.

You're already defeated by the sounds of it.







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Re: Israel Attacked - Discussion?
« Reply #576 on: October 27, 2023, 07:42:48 PM »
"completely separate country"

Virtually ever country between Israel and Iran is an Irainian puppet in one form or another, including Iraq.

You miss the point.

The US sent 2 Aircraft carrier to join one already there to show support for Israel.

Upon arriving, The US blew up some things in Syria and claimed self defence.

Ie the US always intended to blow things up over there and cause a problem.

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« Reply #577 on: October 27, 2023, 08:02:48 PM »
US does what US wants to do
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« Reply #578 on: October 28, 2023, 08:48:18 AM »
I don't want to bash but MAGA guys quoting FBI directors?  3 weeks ago you wanted the guy's organization disbanded. No.

If you want Hamas destroyed then shouldn't you have a few questions about targeting them? Where are these bastards? Are we killing them? Instead of accepting wholesale murder of civilians in the hopes that the bad guys are some percentage of the dead? The dead which btw far outnumber the Israeli dead, who were also civilians. It was the killing of innocent civilians, if you'll recall, which defined the bad guys as irredeemable dickheads in the first place. So don't be an evil dickhead too, cheering the death of innocents. It's pretty simple when you're not blinded by vengeance.

Antisemitism? No. If I accept Barbara Spectre videos (love her name, it's so Bond Villain), along with umpteen other Jew supremancy advocates as representative of every Jew on the planet, then don't I also have to accept ANTIFA's 100 asshole white male examples as proof that all white males are evil? Except we're not. Check out Dave Smith. Check out Prof. Norm Finkelstein. Check out Ron Avidan.

Zionism? Not so much, from my honky perspective. As a project to kick out and kill people who lived there back in 1917 or whenever - fucking hell no. In 2023 tho, I have to apply the same logic. Israeli Jews live there now, and a lot were born there. So you can't just cancel Israel and tell them to gtfo. The bottom line is that the Arabs got conquered. Plenty of nations got formed that way. It was savage but we're not giving the land back to the Aborigines or the Injuns. Way of the world. Getting conquered sucks. Like the man said "Vae Victis." If the Arabs have a gripe they have to take it up with their great grandfather. That doesn't mean any of the Jewish or Evangelical Christian hocus pocus holy book nonsense is worth a damn thing. Tbh I find it freaky the US has members of Congress who decide war policy based on scripture.

Strategywise, Israel is on shaky ground imo. We give them 4 billion a year in peacetime, at least. Here we are post-terror wars, post-Afghan, in the midst of a public opinion swing against funding Ukraine, which is tied to domestic strife of several very non-trivial flavors, a desertion of enlistment by traditional folk, financial clouds, China on the horizon, basiclly everything but locust. What happens when the blush of the current thing is off the rose? What happens when it's not just me asking what exactly is the benefit to the US of all this money and possibly all these US body bags? What happens is that Israel is obliged to stand alone in a sea of adversity because the Brits are gone and the French are gone, and if the Americans go there's no more imperial big dog. So are you sure you want to put the squeeze on the US at this moment in history?

I ask again. How exactly does it benefit the US to back Israel? We give them money and weapons. A lot of money and weapons. And this could lead to much, much bigger things over there and things going boom at home. Plus the country is crumbling. What do we get in return? Why are we doing this?

In 30 days a whole lot more people that me will be asking this and it'll take more than today's vapid McPropaganda to quell. And it's a valid question.

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Re: Israel Attacked - Discussion?
« Reply #579 on: October 28, 2023, 09:22:59 AM »
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« Reply #580 on: October 28, 2023, 09:42:40 AM »
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« Reply #581 on: October 28, 2023, 09:42:55 AM »
I don't want to bash but MAGA guys quoting FBI directors?  3 weeks ago you wanted the guy's organization disbanded. No.

If you want Hamas destroyed then shouldn't you have a few questions about targeting them? Where are these bastards? Are we killing them? Instead of accepting wholesale murder of civilians in the hopes that the bad guys are some percentage of the dead? The dead which btw far outnumber the Israeli dead, who were also civilians. It was the killing of innocent civilians, if you'll recall, which defined the bad guys as irredeemable dickheads in the first place. So don't be an evil dickhead too, cheering the death of innocents. It's pretty simple when you're not blinded by vengeance.

Antisemitism? No. If I accept Barbara Spectre videos (love her name, it's so Bond Villain), along with umpteen other Jew supremancy advocates as representative of every Jew on the planet, then don't I also have to accept ANTIFA's 100 asshole white male examples as proof that all white males are evil? Except we're not. Check out Dave Smith. Check out Prof. Norm Finkelstein. Check out Ron Avidan.

Zionism? Not so much, from my honky perspective. As a project to kick out and kill people who lived there back in 1917 or whenever - fucking hell no. In 2023 tho, I have to apply the same logic. Israeli Jews live there now, and a lot were born there. So you can't just cancel Israel and tell them to gtfo. The bottom line is that the Arabs got conquered. Plenty of nations got formed that way. It was savage but we're not giving the land back to the Aborigines or the Injuns. Way of the world. Getting conquered sucks. Like the man said "Vae Victis." If the Arabs have a gripe they have to take it up with their great grandfather. That doesn't mean any of the Jewish or Evangelical Christian hocus pocus holy book nonsense is worth a damn thing. Tbh I find it freaky the US has members of Congress who decide war policy based on scripture.

Strategywise, Israel is on shaky ground imo. We give them 4 billion a year in peacetime, at least. Here we are post-terror wars, post-Afghan, in the midst of a public opinion swing against funding Ukraine, which is tied to domestic strife of several very non-trivial flavors, a desertion of enlistment by traditional folk, financial clouds, China on the horizon, basiclly everything but locust. What happens when the blush of the current thing is off the rose? What happens when it's not just me asking what exactly is the benefit to the US of all this money and possibly all these US body bags? What happens is that Israel is obliged to stand alone in a sea of adversity because the Brits are gone and the French are gone, and if the Americas go there's no more imperial big dog. So are you sure you want to put the squeeze on the US at this moment in history?

I ask again. How exactly does it benefit the US to back Israel? We give them money and weapons. A lot of money and weapons. And this could lead to much, much bigger things. Meanwhile your own cointry is crumbling. What do we get in return? Why are we doing this?

In 30 days a whole lot more people that me will be asking this and it'll take more than today's vapid McPropaganda to quell. And it's a valid question.

Agreed. I've mentioned this before as well.

If the US and EU drop support, Israel is in serious trouble.

Their situation is similar to Rhodesia, as Israel is surrounded by enemies who can infiltrate their core territory and force them to fight a permanent counterinsurgency campaign from within, as well as a war on the borders. With their whole map then being a patchwork of enclaves, no-go zones, hotspots and attacked farming areas needing protection, draining manpower.

Eventually the economy is wrecked and the war can only continue with external financial and arms support. In Rhodesia's case, they had South Africa supplying them, but when that stopped, it was the beginning of the end.

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Re: Israel Attacked - Discussion?
« Reply #582 on: October 28, 2023, 10:41:50 AM »
Agreed. I've mentioned this before as well.

If the US and EU drop support, Israel is in serious trouble.

Their situation is similar to Rhodesia, as Israel is surrounded by enemies who can infiltrate their core territory and force them to fight a permanent counterinsurgency campaign from within, as well as a war on the borders. With their whole map then being a patchwork of enclaves, no-go zones, hotspots and attacked farming areas needing protection, draining manpower.

Eventually the economy is wrecked and the war can only continue with external financial and arms support. In Rhodesia's case, they had South Africa supplying them, but when that stopped, it was the beginning of the end.

I guess it depends to what extent superpower evangelical Christians in government are willing to send other people's money and children into the meat grinder.

My vote is zero but I'm not a Rapture guy.

Other than biblical prophecy, I'm not sure what we're getting from this deal.


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Re: Israel Attacked - Discussion?
« Reply #583 on: October 28, 2023, 10:52:34 AM »
Giant pro-palestine crowds in Turkey and the President calling to put Israel on a "war criminal" list at NATO. At the same time he just voted to add Sweden to NATO, a bordering state of Russia. Turkey's money has lost almost a third of its value in the past year. It seems all world "leaders" are spoiling for a war to cover their failures up, curiously at the same time.   ::)

Remember we are selling them military gear when they aren't buying it from Russia. Turkey has a population of 85 million and Iran 88 million..they are joined by religion not some shaky NATO agreement that is more of a hostage situation with Turkey.

With friends like this who needs enemies, and remember before you would say that Iran is our enemy...dem admins send aid and pallets of cash to Iran and Hezbollah among other things.

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« Reply #584 on: October 28, 2023, 12:24:01 PM »
Giant pro-palestine crowds in Turkey and the President calling to put Israel on a "war criminal" list at NATO. At the same time he just voted to add Sweden to NATO, a bordering state of Russia. Turkey's money has lost almost a third of its value in the past year. It seems all world "leaders" are spoiling for a war to cover their failures up, curiously at the same time.   ::)

Remember we are selling them military gear when they aren't buying it from Russia. Turkey has a population of 85 million and Iran 88 million..they are joined by religion not some shaky NATO agreement that is more of a hostage situation with Turkey.

With friends like this who needs enemies, and remember before you would say that Iran is our enemy...dem admins send aid and pallets of cash to Iran and Hezbollah among other things.

That's because he desperately wants F-16s and was extorting the US and NATO by vetoing Finland and Sweden. He still has not fully cleared Sweden for NATO, he has been delaying it for months and he just sent the protocol to the parliament (which is supposedly independent but controlled by him) for approval so if he doesn't get the things he wants, the veto on Sweden stays. He's playing both sides as usual, acting like a good guy saying he signed the protocol after demanding all sorts of concessions but also having the parliament as a reserve veto if things don't go his way. He's an inbred muslim conman who dreams of being the caliph of all muslims.

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Re: Israel Attacked - Discussion?
« Reply #585 on: October 28, 2023, 12:30:47 PM »
Giant pro-palestine crowds in Turkey and the President calling to put Israel on a "war criminal" list at NATO. At the same time he just voted to add Sweden to NATO, a bordering state of Russia. Turkey's money has lost almost a third of its value in the past year. It seems all world "leaders" are spoiling for a war to cover their failures up, curiously at the same time.   ::)

Remember we are selling them military gear when they aren't buying it from Russia. Turkey has a population of 85 million and Iran 88 million..they are joined by religion not some shaky NATO agreement that is more of a hostage situation with Turkey.

With friends like this who needs enemies, and remember before you would say that Iran is our enemy...dem admins send aid and pallets of cash to Iran and Hezbollah among other things.

Turkey has always been playing both sides.

And also blackmailing Europe with a flood of refugees from the Middle East, so they get paid off with subsidies of billions of Euros.

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Re: Israel Attacked - Discussion?
« Reply #586 on: October 28, 2023, 01:50:07 PM »
Giant pro-palestine crowds in Turkey and the President calling to put Israel on a "war criminal" list at NATO. At the same time he just voted to add Sweden to NATO, a bordering state of Russia. Turkey's money has lost almost a third of its value in the past year. It seems all world "leaders" are spoiling for a war to cover their failures up, curiously at the same time.   ::)

Remember we are selling them military gear when they aren't buying it from Russia. Turkey has a population of 85 million and Iran 88 million..they are joined by religion not some shaky NATO agreement that is more of a hostage situation with Turkey.

With friends like this who needs enemies, and remember before you would say that Iran is our enemy...dem admins send aid and pallets of cash to Iran and Hezbollah among other things.

I don't think Turkey and Iran and Saudi all get along. If we left them alone, they'd just sort it all out amongst themselves I don't think we need to referee it.

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Re: Israel Attacked - Discussion?
« Reply #587 on: October 28, 2023, 02:10:17 PM »


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« Reply #588 on: October 28, 2023, 10:17:23 PM »

Because the US is supporting and supplying this, there's every chance of angry muzzie attacks. The US needs to walk away from this immediately and say "We refuse to be party to the mass murder of civilians and children."

Instead they're bombing Iranian assets and doing everything they can to start WW3. The country really is run by deepstate war machine psychos who want to watch your kids get fed into a meat grinder while they sip champagne.

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« Reply #589 on: October 29, 2023, 09:24:55 AM »
Hamas is using Crisis Actors.




“Hamas Crisis Actor pretends to be a victim of an Israeli air strike- appearing in a hospital bed while pretending to be in a critical condition as two supporting actors hold his hand.

In reality, the man is a Hamas musician and actor who has been appearing in various videos for the terror group.

One video he is seen celebrating in the streets as Hamas fire rockets towards Israel.

In another video he can be seen crying after claiming his apartment was hit by an airstrike.

And in another video he is seen singing while brandishing a gun while praising Hamas.“

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« Reply #590 on: October 29, 2023, 09:32:07 AM »
I don't want to bash but MAGA guys quoting FBI directors?  3 weeks ago you wanted the guy's organization disbanded. No.

If you want Hamas destroyed then shouldn't you have a few questions about targeting them? Where are these bastards? Are we killing them? Instead of accepting wholesale murder of civilians in the hopes that the bad guys are some percentage of the dead? The dead which btw far outnumber the Israeli dead, who were also civilians. It was the killing of innocent civilians, if you'll recall, which defined the bad guys as irredeemable dickheads in the first place. So don't be an evil dickhead too, cheering the death of innocents. It's pretty simple when you're not blinded by vengeance.

Antisemitism? No. If I accept Barbara Spectre videos (love her name, it's so Bond Villain), along with umpteen other Jew supremancy advocates as representative of every Jew on the planet, then don't I also have to accept ANTIFA's 100 asshole white male examples as proof that all white males are evil? Except we're not. Check out Dave Smith. Check out Prof. Norm Finkelstein. Check out Ron Avidan.

Zionism? Not so much, from my honky perspective. As a project to kick out and kill people who lived there back in 1917 or whenever - fucking hell no. In 2023 tho, I have to apply the same logic. Israeli Jews live there now, and a lot were born there. So you can't just cancel Israel and tell them to gtfo. The bottom line is that the Arabs got conquered. Plenty of nations got formed that way. It was savage but we're not giving the land back to the Aborigines or the Injuns. Way of the world. Getting conquered sucks. Like the man said "Vae Victis." If the Arabs have a gripe they have to take it up with their great grandfather. That doesn't mean any of the Jewish or Evangelical Christian hocus pocus holy book nonsense is worth a damn thing. Tbh I find it freaky the US has members of Congress who decide war policy based on scripture.

Strategywise, Israel is on shaky ground imo. We give them 4 billion a year in peacetime, at least. Here we are post-terror wars, post-Afghan, in the midst of a public opinion swing against funding Ukraine, which is tied to domestic strife of several very non-trivial flavors, a desertion of enlistment by traditional folk, financial clouds, China on the horizon, basiclly everything but locust. What happens when the blush of the current thing is off the rose? What happens when it's not just me asking what exactly is the benefit to the US of all this money and possibly all these US body bags? What happens is that Israel is obliged to stand alone in a sea of adversity because the Brits are gone and the French are gone, and if the Americans go there's no more imperial big dog. So are you sure you want to put the squeeze on the US at this moment in history?

I ask again. How exactly does it benefit the US to back Israel? We give them money and weapons. A lot of money and weapons. And this could lead to much, much bigger things over there and things going boom at home. Plus the country is crumbling. What do we get in return? Why are we doing this?

In 30 days a whole lot more people that me will be asking this and it'll take more than today's vapid McPropaganda to quell. And it's a valid question.


Trump said it too

Obama is Muslim, and he controls Biden. Let that sink in

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« Reply #591 on: October 29, 2023, 10:25:24 AM »
And you think supporting Israel makes terrorist attacks in the US less likely given that Biden left the border wide open?

I think it makes it more likely.

What is the benefit to the US of supplying and supporting Israel?

It's like the fifth time I've asked. Apparently no one knows but you're all gung ho anyway.

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« Reply #592 on: October 29, 2023, 10:27:50 AM »
Hamas is using Crisis Actors.




“Hamas Crisis Actor pretends to be a victim of an Israeli air strike- appearing in a hospital bed while pretending to be in a critical condition as two supporting actors hold his hand.

In reality, the man is a Hamas musician and actor who has been appearing in various videos for the terror group.

One video he is seen celebrating in the streets as Hamas fire rockets towards Israel.

In another video he can be seen crying after claiming his apartment was hit by an airstrike.

And in another video he is seen singing while brandishing a gun while praising Hamas.“

Just bomb the Hamas Oscars and get them all together

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Re: Israel Attacked - Discussion?
« Reply #593 on: October 29, 2023, 10:28:15 AM »
i seriously doubt iran is gonna even attempt to strike one of our air craft strike groups they will get wiped out, amazes me how many morons there are on this forum iran isnt going to do shit. nor turkey or jordan or egypt. 

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« Reply #594 on: October 29, 2023, 10:35:36 AM »
i seriously doubt iran is gonna even attempt to strike one of our air craft strike groups they will get wiped out, amazes me how many morons there are on this forum iran isnt going to do shit. nor turkey or jordan or egypt.

Why are we there at all?

Even if you're right and they don't do anything it's still wildly expensive and that money could be used domestically or not stripped from the taxpayers at all.

Why are we there? How does it benefit us to be there?

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« Reply #595 on: October 29, 2023, 11:04:42 AM »
So kind of like how no one could point to any concrete benefits to the US for spending over 100 billion dollars to fund Ukraine, but it was pretty easy to point to downsides like the risk of causing WW3, encouraging a Russia-China alliance along with other BRICS nations, and being 100+ billion poorer. But they told you it was the right thing to do. Morally right. Not right in the practical sense of actually strengthening your country instead of weakening it, or making it safer instead of more at risk.

Is this like that? It's the morally right thing? Making your country weaker and putting it at risk, and endangering and impoverishing your children in order to benefit another country is the morally right thing to do?

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« Reply #596 on: October 29, 2023, 12:29:11 PM »
And you think supporting Israel makes terrorist attacks in the US less likely given that Biden left the border wide open?

I think it makes it more likely.

What is the benefit to the US of supplying and supporting Israel?

It's like the fifth time I've asked. Apparently no one knows but you're all gung ho anyway.


If you ask The Loony Liberal Leftists on here they'll tell you Biden by allowing in Millions of unchecked illegals into the USA it helps protect American citizens
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I don't see any benefit to USA by getting involved it's smacks of they're
being told they have to get involved by their controllers.

Which People's / Religion / Can you Not say anything against without
all MSM & Puppet talking heads condemning yew ??

Hell there are even laws in some places against questioning the Holocaust
- Yet not any other mass Genocide. 

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« Reply #597 on: October 29, 2023, 01:45:07 PM »
Why are we there at all?

Even if you're right and they don't do anything it's still wildly expensive and that money could be used domestically or not stripped from the taxpayers at all.

Why are we there? How does it benefit us to be there?

The US are there to assist in the push to cut oil supplies because There is only 6yrs left to cut emissions by half.

The benefit is it forces and validates the move to renewable energy and sustainability.

Again, when fuel hits US13/gallon the peasants won’t be driving much or consuming as much and you’ll see emissions drop like a lead balloon towards the target level.

The ME scenario is the 2nd inflationary wave which is the one that basically breaks people’s ability to consume crap from China. Once volumes drop prices will rip much harder than you’ve seen so far. Clothing can easily 4x from here in 6yrs.

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« Reply #598 on: October 29, 2023, 06:22:29 PM »
Groups Behind Pro-Hamas Protests Funded by George Soros

Flat out someone needs to smoke this guy and his kid..

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/10/29/report-groups-behind-pro-hamas-protests-funded-george-soros/

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« Reply #599 on: October 29, 2023, 07:57:15 PM »
Groups Behind Pro-Hamas Protests Funded by George Soros

Flat out someone needs to smoke this guy and his kid..

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/10/29/report-groups-behind-pro-hamas-protests-funded-george-soros/

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