Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?

[Thin Lizzy]

Over 200 million people in Pakistan. They have a life expectancy ~10 years less and a per capita GDP less than half of those in Gaza, yet the poor Pakis get no love from the “Free Palestine” crowd.😂

[joswift]

My point is that the wall cut through what was already built there.

So if Israel was so concerned about its citizens it could have left all the properties empy or demolished them

[Griffith]

So if Israel was so concerned about its citizens it could have left all the properties empy or demolished them

At the time, the walls were put there due to suicide bombers, who used cars and public buses and blew these up.

Fatah was in control of both Gaza and the West Bank. Fatah run the Palestinian Authority government and are not terrorists.

Only in 2007 did Hamas take over Gaza.

[Phantom Spunker]

That's different than claiming Israel is using human shields.

My superficial knowledge of the situation is that Hamas was planning this for two years, and purposely limited conflict to draw Israel into a false sense of security and let their guard down.

Then, it was accelerated due to a potential peace agreement with Saudi.

Sadly, the tactic of Israeli forces using human shields is very well documented, my friend. An investigation conducted by Amnesty International on Israel's 22-day assault on Gaza in 2008 found that it was common practice for the IDF to use Palestinian civilians—including children—as shields. You can find the report here, but here's a few of their key findings:

• Amnesty International delegates investigated dozens of cases comprising more than
  300 victims, more than half of them women and children.
• Israeli forces repeatedly targeted ambulances and medical crews, killing several
  medical workers while they were attempting to rescue the wounded and recover the
  dead.
• Injured civilians who could have been saved died needlessly as Israeli forces
  frequently denied access to ambulances and others to trying rescue the wounded,
  recover the dead and bring aid to those in need.
• The borders of Gaza were kept sealed throughout Operation “Cast Lead” and civilians
  could not flee, and there was nowhere in Gaza where their safety could be guaranteed.
• Israeli forces forced Palestinian civilians on several occasions to serve as “human
  shields”
• Amnesty International found no evidence that rockets were launched from residential
  houses or buildings while civilians were in these buildings, but Hamas and other
  Palestinian armed groups at times launched rockets and located military equipment
  and positions near civilian homes.

In several cases Israeli soldiers also used civilians, including children, as “human shields”,
endangering their lives by forcing them to remain in or near houses which they took over and
used as military positions. Some were forced to carry out dangerous tasks such as inspecting
properties or objects suspected of being booby-trapped. Soldiers also took position and
launched attacks from and around inhabited houses, exposing local residents to the danger of
attacks or of being caught in the crossfire (p. 3.)

Further detailed evidence is also found in the testimonies of former IDF soldiers who have published their stories through 'Breaking the Silence', which is 'an organization of veteran soldiers who have served in the Israeli military since the start of the Second Intifada and have taken it upon themselves to expose the public to the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories.' You can read many of their testimonies on the website, but here's just one example below:

Projecting potential harm onto Palestinian civilians

Explain what the 'neighbor procedure' is.

'Neighbor procedure' is a very simple procedure. You're assigned a mission to enter a home at night and arrest terrorists or just people who can be pressured to become collaborators for the Shin Bet Security Service. Assuming there was any risk that the army would arrive at the house and be met with open fire, to decrease the chance of soldiers being hit, the system is very simple: you enter the neighbor's house, that's why it's called 'neighbor procedure,' and you ask a Palestinian to accompany you. The word 'ask' is a bit of a euphemism. You order a Palestinian to accompany you and to open the door of the house you want to enter, to knock on the door and ask to enter, with a very simple objective: if the door blows up, a Palestinian will be blown up, and soldiers won’t be blown up. Ultimately it's a way to decrease harm to soldiers while transferring, actually projecting potential harm onto Palestinian civilians, whose only connection to the situation is that they were simply thrown into it.

How can you actually order a person to do something like that if he isn't suspected of anything?

The IDF controls the territories. If I come to your home, wherever you live, to your apartment, with a company or a platoon of armed soldiers in the middle of the night and knock on your door, point a rifle at you that you know might fire, and tell you [to] come outside, you'll come outside, I can promise you. It's like the mafia asking you to do something. It's not really a request. The possible consequence of him not doing what you ask is clear to him. It's probably not the first time he, or someone he knows, is asked to do something. He, or a friend of his, likely already cleared stone blockades from the road, he already cleared [traffic] spikes from the road, he already took down a flag from an electric pole. It's not as if you arrive at a pristine situation or a blank page. You arrive at a situation in which the consequences of saying no are very clear to him. There will probably also be a soldier who will hit him if he says no, or a soldier who will cock his weapon if he says no, or threaten him physically, or simply grab his kid and take him to do it.

[illuminati]

Sadly, the tactic of Israeli forces using human shields is very well documented, my friend. An investigation conducted by Amnesty International on Israel's 22-day assault on Gaza in 2008 found that it was common practice for the IDF to use Palestinian civilians—including children—as shields. You can find the report here, but here's a few of their key findings:

• Amnesty International delegates investigated dozens of cases comprising more than
  300 victims, more than half of them women and children.
• Israeli forces repeatedly targeted ambulances and medical crews, killing several
  medical workers while they were attempting to rescue the wounded and recover the
  dead.
• Injured civilians who could have been saved died needlessly as Israeli forces
  frequently denied access to ambulances and others to trying rescue the wounded,
  recover the dead and bring aid to those in need.
• The borders of Gaza were kept sealed throughout Operation “Cast Lead” and civilians
  could not flee, and there was nowhere in Gaza where their safety could be guaranteed.
• Israeli forces forced Palestinian civilians on several occasions to serve as “human
  shields”
• Amnesty International found no evidence that rockets were launched from residential
  houses or buildings while civilians were in these buildings, but Hamas and other
  Palestinian armed groups at times launched rockets and located military equipment
  and positions near civilian homes.

In several cases Israeli soldiers also used civilians, including children, as “human shields”,
endangering their lives by forcing them to remain in or near houses which they took over and
used as military positions. Some were forced to carry out dangerous tasks such as inspecting
properties or objects suspected of being booby-trapped. Soldiers also took position and
launched attacks from and around inhabited houses, exposing local residents to the danger of
attacks or of being caught in the crossfire (p. 3.)

Further detailed evidence is also found in the testimonies of former IDF soldiers who have published their stories through 'Breaking the Silence', which is 'an organization of veteran soldiers who have served in the Israeli military since the start of the Second Intifada and have taken it upon themselves to expose the public to the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories.' You can read many of their testimonies on the website, but here's just one example below:

Projecting potential harm onto Palestinian civilians

Explain what the 'neighbor procedure' is.

'Neighbor procedure' is a very simple procedure. You're assigned a mission to enter a home at night and arrest terrorists or just people who can be pressured to become collaborators for the Shin Bet Security Service. Assuming there was any risk that the army would arrive at the house and be met with open fire, to decrease the chance of soldiers being hit, the system is very simple: you enter the neighbor's house, that's why it's called 'neighbor procedure,' and you ask a Palestinian to accompany you. The word 'ask' is a bit of a euphemism. You order a Palestinian to accompany you and to open the door of the house you want to enter, to knock on the door and ask to enter, with a very simple objective: if the door blows up, a Palestinian will be blown up, and soldiers won’t be blown up. Ultimately it's a way to decrease harm to soldiers while transferring, actually projecting potential harm onto Palestinian civilians, whose only connection to the situation is that they were simply thrown into it.

How can you actually order a person to do something like that if he isn't suspected of anything?

The IDF controls the territories. If I come to your home, wherever you live, to your apartment, with a company or a platoon of armed soldiers in the middle of the night and knock on your door, point a rifle at you that you know might fire, and tell you [to] come outside, you'll come outside, I can promise you. It's like the mafia asking you to do something. It's not really a request. The possible consequence of him not doing what you ask is clear to him. It's probably not the first time he, or someone he knows, is asked to do something. He, or a friend of his, likely already cleared stone blockades from the road, he already cleared [traffic] spikes from the road, he already took down a flag from an electric pole. It's not as if you arrive at a pristine situation or a blank page. You arrive at a situation in which the consequences of saying no are very clear to him. There will probably also be a soldier who will hit him if he says no, or a soldier who will cock his weapon if he says no, or threaten him physically, or simply grab his kid and take him to do it.

Yet so very many believe the talking shit heads & Lying MSM that tells them the Israelis
Are the innocent victims & that they never do fuck all wrong.   

Is no wonder they're disliked & been kicked out of 101 countries.

[Grape Ape]

Sadly, the tactic of Israeli forces using human shields is very well documented, my friend. An investigation conducted by Amnesty International on Israel's 22-day assault on Gaza in 2008 found that it was common practice for the IDF to use Palestinian civilians—including children—as shields. You can find the report here, but here's a few of their key findings:

• Amnesty International delegates investigated dozens of cases comprising more than
  300 victims, more than half of them women and children.
• Israeli forces repeatedly targeted ambulances and medical crews, killing several
  medical workers while they were attempting to rescue the wounded and recover the
  dead.
• Injured civilians who could have been saved died needlessly as Israeli forces
  frequently denied access to ambulances and others to trying rescue the wounded,
  recover the dead and bring aid to those in need.
• The borders of Gaza were kept sealed throughout Operation “Cast Lead” and civilians
  could not flee, and there was nowhere in Gaza where their safety could be guaranteed.
• Israeli forces forced Palestinian civilians on several occasions to serve as “human
  shields”
• Amnesty International found no evidence that rockets were launched from residential
  houses or buildings while civilians were in these buildings, but Hamas and other
  Palestinian armed groups at times launched rockets and located military equipment
  and positions near civilian homes.

In several cases Israeli soldiers also used civilians, including children, as “human shields”,
endangering their lives by forcing them to remain in or near houses which they took over and
used as military positions. Some were forced to carry out dangerous tasks such as inspecting
properties or objects suspected of being booby-trapped. Soldiers also took position and
launched attacks from and around inhabited houses, exposing local residents to the danger of
attacks or of being caught in the crossfire (p. 3.)

Further detailed evidence is also found in the testimonies of former IDF soldiers who have published their stories through 'Breaking the Silence', which is 'an organization of veteran soldiers who have served in the Israeli military since the start of the Second Intifada and have taken it upon themselves to expose the public to the reality of everyday life in the Occupied Territories.' You can read many of their testimonies on the website, but here's just one example below:

Projecting potential harm onto Palestinian civilians

Explain what the 'neighbor procedure' is.

'Neighbor procedure' is a very simple procedure. You're assigned a mission to enter a home at night and arrest terrorists or just people who can be pressured to become collaborators for the Shin Bet Security Service. Assuming there was any risk that the army would arrive at the house and be met with open fire, to decrease the chance of soldiers being hit, the system is very simple: you enter the neighbor's house, that's why it's called 'neighbor procedure,' and you ask a Palestinian to accompany you. The word 'ask' is a bit of a euphemism. You order a Palestinian to accompany you and to open the door of the house you want to enter, to knock on the door and ask to enter, with a very simple objective: if the door blows up, a Palestinian will be blown up, and soldiers won’t be blown up. Ultimately it's a way to decrease harm to soldiers while transferring, actually projecting potential harm onto Palestinian civilians, whose only connection to the situation is that they were simply thrown into it.

How can you actually order a person to do something like that if he isn't suspected of anything?

The IDF controls the territories. If I come to your home, wherever you live, to your apartment, with a company or a platoon of armed soldiers in the middle of the night and knock on your door, point a rifle at you that you know might fire, and tell you [to] come outside, you'll come outside, I can promise you. It's like the mafia asking you to do something. It's not really a request. The possible consequence of him not doing what you ask is clear to him. It's probably not the first time he, or someone he knows, is asked to do something. He, or a friend of his, likely already cleared stone blockades from the road, he already cleared [traffic] spikes from the road, he already took down a flag from an electric pole. It's not as if you arrive at a pristine situation or a blank page. You arrive at a situation in which the consequences of saying no are very clear to him. There will probably also be a soldier who will hit him if he says no, or a soldier who will cock his weapon if he says no, or threaten him physically, or simply grab his kid and take him to do it.

I was pointing out the specific difference between locating weapons and tunnels under hospitals vs just having people exist in border towns.  It's just not the same thing.

I'm positive there have been atrocities committed on both sides.  But I'm sticking with Hamas went the over the top brutality route on Oct 7 for a reason, and I will consider them evil because of it.

[Thin Lizzy]

Reading some of these posts, this becomes understandable. And I thought this country was fucked:



Muhammad top baby name for fifth year running in UK

https://www.trtworld.com/life/muhammad-top-baby-name-for-fifth-year-running-in-uk-52191


Muhammad revealed as the most popular UK baby boy name for 2022

https://www.gbnews.com/news/muhammad-revealed-as-the-most-popular-uk-baby-boy-name-for-2022/331678

[Megalodon]

The surest way to stop

Muhammad from being the top baby name for fifth year running in UK

is to fight and fund the wars benefitting Israel which destabilize the middle east and cause Muslims to be refugees in the first place

and then to give 100s of $BILLIONS in aid to the number one country BY FAR (Israel) facilitating and funding through NGOS and other organizations..

the endless flood of Muslims and Africans into Western lands 

"The strategy of organised Zionist groups like the ADL is to defend aggressive, expansionist Јewish nationalism in the Middle East and promote The Open Society in the West."

continued below images

Break outside of the Fox news/Ben Shapiro limited hangout, controlled opposition when it comes to the destruction of the West. It's illogical to be against destroying the West but to support the destruction of the West.

All Israeli or Jewish sources and it's the tip of the tip of the iceberg:













"The strategy of organised Zionist groups like the ADL is to defend aggressive, expansionist Јewish nationalism in the Middle East and promote The Open Society in the West."

"In a liberal pluralist society where individualism is sacrosanct and the worst sin is "racism", groups that network and use nepotism have a huge advantage playing as a team while everyone else plays solo. "

"Extreme taboos against discussions of group behaviour, maintained by the WW2 mythos, prohibits anyone from identifying influence of groups if they succeed in capturing powerful institutions."

"Maximum diversity protects against the danger of
a supermajority establishing a nationalist government and taking back control of institutions from minoritarian interests for the benefit of the majority.

Extreme censorship to silence nationalists, people identifying the effects of ethnic networking, and any other opponents of the open society is necessary to maintain this, which is why Zionist groups like the ADL have led the push for censoring free speech on the internet."











Unrequited love:

[Zillotch]

destabilize the middle east and cause Muslims to be refugees - endless flood of Muslims and Africans into Western lands

yes, that is on the agenda... but u have to look beyond 'the jews'

'the jews' have no actual power.

[Megalodon]

yes, that is on the agenda... but u have to look beyond 'the jews'

'the jews' have no actual power.

You have to look beyond 'the Jews'. I'm naming organizations.

[Ron]

Amazing on some of these.   The war that will start is not going to be in Israel, nor in Gaza.  The true war will be in Europe, when the Muslims have reached a portion of the population in European countries in which they start to push the Eastern Values onto the French, the British, the German's, etc, and start to force the Muslim way upon them. 

Israel will achieve the goal of removing or seriously hindering Hamas, a terrorist organization that killed 1,400 people in Israel.  Simple as that. They killed 1,400 people with the intention of killing thousands more if they were not stropped. You can blame whatever you want, but this occured because of that incident on October 7th. It will result in Hamas leaving Gaza, and another group, aka Fatah taking over, and truly wanting a two state solution.  And actual peace on day by people who want it.  Thousands more will die in this war as Hamas doesnt care, and it is a war, not a genocide, since Hamas likes to put numbers like over 10,000 killed in Gaza (but not how many were killed fighting against Israel). 

Yes, screaming genocide and using AI to make good pictures, to make people angry works.  But the truth is, Israel will be there stronger when this is over, and the Palestinian people will have a chance in Gaza to make is as nice as other cities can be without a terrorist group like Hamas killing them. So many of these propaganda on both sides so the 1% of extreme's.

Privately, quite a few Arabs just want Hamas out so they can actually get peace in the region.  Jews don't hate Palestinians, and vice versa.  Both sides hate the extreme right wingers that destroy it for the 90% of the people who just want to live in peace.  Hence, why so many Arab countries are not or want to deal with Hamas.

[Moontrane]

Amazing on some of these.   The war that will start is not going to be in Israel, nor in Gaza.  The true war will be in Europe, when the Muslims have reached a portion of the population in European countries in which they start to push the Eastern Values onto the French, the British, the German's, etc, and start to force the Muslim way upon them. 

Israel will achieve the goal of removing or seriously hindering Hamas, a terrorist organization that killed 1,400 people in Israel.  Simple as that. They killed 1,400 people with the intention of killing thousands more if they were not stropped. You can blame whatever you want, but this occured because of that incident on October 7th. It will result in Hamas leaving Gaza, and another group, aka Fatah taking over, and truly wanting a two state solution.  And actual peace on day by people who want it.  Thousands more will die in this war as Hamas doesnt care, and it is a war, not a genocide, since Hamas likes to put numbers like over 10,000 killed in Gaza (but not how many were killed fighting against Israel). 

Yes, screaming genocide and using AI to make good pictures, to make people angry works.  But the truth is, Israel will be there stronger when this is over, and the Palestinian people will have a chance in Gaza to make is as nice as other cities can be without a terrorist group like Hamas killing them. So many of these propaganda on both sides so the 1% of extreme's.

Privately, quite a few Arabs just want Hamas out so they can actually get peace in the region.  Jews don't hate Palestinians, and vice versa.  Both sides hate the extreme right wingers that destroy it for the 90% of the people who just want to live in peace.  Hence, why so many Arab countries are not or want to deal with Hamas.

Ron, watch Birmingham, UK.

2000 14% Muslim
2010 21% Muslim
2021 30% Muslim

I predict that 35% is the tipping point when it rapidly becomes another Savile Town.  No shots fired, no swords drawn.

Hope to hell I'm wrong.

[Phantom Spunker]

Yet so very many believe the talking shit heads & Lying MSM that tells them the Israelis
Are the innocent victims & that they never do fuck all wrong.   

It is truly scary how easily people still fall for it. Politics in the US (and the UK is following suit) has become so polarized that loyalty to one's political tribe is more important than loyalty to truth and decency. People are too lazy to actually read up on something and think about it. They'd rather turn to conmen on Twitter and YouTube who are paid to throw out stupid buzzwords and empty slogans designed to shut down dialogue. The owner of this site is literally defending a genocide that's unfolding right before his eyes, and dismissing facts as Hamas propaganda and AI, lol. The world is fucked.

The surest way to stop

Muhammad from being the top baby name for fifth year running in UK

is to fight and fund the wars benefitting Israel which destabilize the middle east and cause Muslims to be refugees in the first place

BINGO. Regardless of what we think of certain groups (and I hate organized religion), the right to take your family out of harm's way when there's a war going on is a universal one. Don't like it, then stop fucking supporting atrocities, overthrowing regimes, and bombing the hell out of places for reasons that don't benefit us—the ordinary citizens—in any justifiable way at all.

[AbrahamG]

It is truly scary how easily people still fall for it. Politics in the US (and the UK is following suit) has become so polarized that loyalty to one's political tribe is more important than loyalty to truth and decency. People are too lazy to actually read up on something and think about it. They'd rather turn to conmen on Twitter and YouTube who are paid to throw out stupid buzzwords and empty slogans designed to shut down dialogue. The owner of this site is literally defending a genocide that's unfolding right before his eyes, and dismissing facts as Hamas propaganda and AI, lol. The world is fucked.


BINGO. Regardless of what we think of certain groups (and I hate organized religion), the right to take your family out of harm's way when there's a war going on is a universal one. Don't like it, then stop fucking supporting atrocities, overthrowing regimes, and bombing the hell out of places for reasons that don't benefit us—the ordinary citizens—in any justifiable way at all.

The amount of children killed in Gaza since October 7 is equal to two 9/11's and then some. 

[BEEFCAKE]

The amount of children killed in Gaza since October 7 is equal to two 9/11's and then some.

the life of one white man is worth about 100 gaza babys so probably not.....

[Kwon]

Amazing on some of these.   The war that will start is not going to be in Israel, nor in Gaza.  The true war will be in Europe, when the Muslims have reached a portion of the population in European countries in which they start to push the Eastern Values onto the French, the British, the German's, etc, and start to force the Muslim way upon them. 

Israel will achieve the goal of removing or seriously hindering Hamas, a terrorist organization that killed 1,400 people in Israel.  Simple as that. They killed 1,400 people with the intention of killing thousands more if they were not stropped. You can blame whatever you want, but this occured because of that incident on October 7th. It will result in Hamas leaving Gaza, and another group, aka Fatah taking over, and truly wanting a two state solution.  And actual peace on day by people who want it.  Thousands more will die in this war as Hamas doesnt care, and it is a war, not a genocide, since Hamas likes to put numbers like over 10,000 killed in Gaza (but not how many were killed fighting against Israel). 

Yes, screaming genocide and using AI to make good pictures, to make people angry works.  But the truth is, Israel will be there stronger when this is over, and the Palestinian people will have a chance in Gaza to make is as nice as other cities can be without a terrorist group like Hamas killing them. So many of these propaganda on both sides so the 1% of extreme's.

Privately, quite a few Arabs just want Hamas out so they can actually get peace in the region.  Jews don't hate Palestinians, and vice versa.  Both sides hate the extreme right wingers that destroy it for the 90% of the people who just want to live in peace.  Hence, why so many Arab countries are not or want to deal with Hamas.

THIS!

OUR FATHER RON SPEAKS THE TRUTH!!!

[Kwon]

Ron, watch Birmingham, UK.

2000 14% Muslim
2010 21% Muslim
2021 30% Muslim

I predict that 35% is the tipping point when it rapidly becomes another Savile Town.  No shots fired, no swords drawn.

Hope to hell I'm wrong.

We even have a suburb here in Sweden that is totally been taken over, it was ok in the late 80s/early 90s, but now it's conquered beyond repair.

We call it Little Mogadishu these days

[AbrahamG]

the life of one white man is worth about 100 gaza babys so probably not.....

Thanks for joining the board. 

[Thin Lizzy]

Ron, watch Birmingham, UK.

2000 14% Muslim
2010 21% Muslim
2021 30% Muslim

I predict that 35% is the tipping point when it rapidly becomes another Savile Town.  No shots fired, no swords drawn.

Hope to hell I'm wrong.

You’re probably not and they’re not coming from the Middle East, mainly from Pakistan.

[Griffith]

Hamas will be removed from Gaza.

Then after IDF occupation, Gaza will probably be handed over to the Palestinian Authority to govern.

[Griffith]

[joswift]

Hamas will be removed from Gaza.

Then after IDF occupation, Gaza will probably be handed over to the Palestinian Authority to govern.

Hamas is an ideology, it isnt just some people

You cant eradicate a belief system

[Griffith]

Hamas is an ideology, it isnt just some people

You cant eradicate a belief system

The Hamas political party running the regional government of Gaza will be removed from power.

And probably replaced with Fatah, who control the government in the West Bank.

[GymnJuice]

The Hamas political party running the regional government of Gaza will be removed from power.

And probably replaced with Fatah, who control the government in the West Bank.

Probably. I think anyone replacing Hamas after an Israeli takeover will be seen as Quislings by their own people. Then they'll eventually be ousted, and everything goes back to square one.

[Ron]

Hamas is an ideology, it isnt just some people, You cant eradicate a belief system

You are right on that.  There are people all over the world that believe it is ok to destroy Israel, free Palestine from the River to the Sea (a Hamas slagon), and kill 7 million Jews or remove them.  That is ok with them.   It won't happen. But Hamas as an ideology out of Gaza and the West Bank might give the Palestinians who are brave enough to sit down and actually a state called Palestine. You cannot give into the 10% of radicals on both sides that ruin the 90% chance of actual peace. Look at Lebanon, how they are developing Beirut into an amazing city. Look at the other Arab cities, with awesome places to visit and live.  Then look what Hamas has done to Gaza, in taking money and supplies, and putting it into war bombs, and tunnels and rockets instead of a great place to live for the Palestinians.

Also that people think it is a 'genocide' in Gaza.  No one, including myself supports a genocide. I think it is terrible that Hamas puts Palestinians in the line of fire in Gaza. It needs to stop.  A genocide is what happened when people killed 6 million Jews, when people killed 1.5 million Armenians, or when Hamas goes in to kill innocent people, aka Oct 7th in Israel where if they were not stopped, thousands more would of died - it could of been 20,000, 30,000 - by they were stopped there. Funny how no one is talking about that...

Gaza is a military operation in which Hamas refuses to give up the kidnapped hostages. Hamas only objective is to destroy Israel and the Jews there. And to gather sympathy around the world on the 'genocide' that the Israel military is attacking in Gaza.   Israel has 2 million Arabs. West Bank has over 2 million also.  Stop with the Hamas 'genocide' war cry, and look at how to give the Palestinian people a state with peace on all sides. Be informative and look for a solution that will work for the entire region. 

We are all horrified by the images of Hamas showing ruined buildings and innocent people killed.  Terrible.  Palestinians, Israelis and Arab Countries (with the exception of the Iranian gov) want Hamas out.  We all know Hamas is the one that destroyed Gaza for the sake of angering the Arabs into not signing a peace deal with Israel (aka Saudi Arabia). Why all the Arab coutries are just watching. They don't want to deal with Hamas either. 

For Gaza, there is a solution.  Lets talk about that. My solution -  clear out Hamas out of Gaza, hostages go back home, mourn the innocent deaths on both sides, let the Palestinian people get representation with true people who want peace and not the destruction of the region, bring in an interim government with Jordanians, Egyptians, Palestinians who have peace deals with Israel and lets get it done.  Bring in the UN peacekeeping forces to enforce that no one from both sides fires any rockets or bombs.  And lets get brave Palestinians who privately tell that they really want peace, but are afraid of the fringe groups that will kill, scare and call them 'collaberators' if they publicly say that. 


Anyone I talk to, in Israel, in Arab states, in the USA - all they want is peace. Everyone hates innocent people getting killed. We need a council with real solutions, and not let Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and others ruin this commitment to peace in the region.  And screaming ceasefire, 'free Palestine and kill Israel', screaming in college - is not going to work.  So, lets talk about a REAL solution, and one that will work for 90% of the people, not the extremism on both sides.