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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #900 on: November 10, 2023, 06:59:17 PM »
We all come from the same Solar Nebula. Once it was just a hydrogen / helium cloud with some interstellar dust. This religion and tradition conflict we have today and for the past tens of thousands of years is a miniscule detail in the grand scheme of things. There were no human conflict when we were still amoebae. And a few hundred years from now it all will mean nothing.

But because we live in the present, your viewpoint is not sustainable. As Elon mentioned, more hatred will be directed at Israel if all Palestinians are seen as creatures, not worthy of any consideration. If I was a Palestinian and my children were killed in retaliation strikes I would make it my mission to take out as many Israelis as possible. And that is what will happen. Very unwise of the Israelis to approach Palestinians like this. They are making enemies all over the world right now. All lives matter, except for those that legitimately are evil. All Palestinians are not evil.

I came from my mother.  I was born with the same physical properties as other human beings.   It is how you are raised that most acts upon how you behave or misbehave.   Once more:

It is NOT that Israel can do no wrong but the islime will do no right. 

I know the cruelty of some Jewish folk. My relatives.  How did it ultimately stop?  I became so much stronger than them and I retaliated against their actions.  With ease.  The last time I visited them not a single male relative was rude. 

All this poor widdle Palestinians crap is bullshit.  Their fellow Arabs loathe them and with good reason but again, islime is disgustingly vile and bent upon the destruction of the Civilized World. 

I know whereof I speak on this subject.  It is highly likely that I know more than many if not all here.  So.  Choose wisely.  I would not allow a serpent or a spider into my home.   I despise cuckoldry such as I see going on in the world today.  Men have cut their own balls off to appear woke, sensitive and inclusive.  Fuck That Noise.

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #901 on: November 10, 2023, 07:04:47 PM »
israel did 0ct 7 to its self , just like usa did 9/11 to its self....

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #902 on: November 10, 2023, 07:11:18 PM »
Yes, I'm in agreement.

Do I know the solution?  No.

However, Hamas didn't just kill people.  The purposely did it in a way so heinous that it's hard to even believe it happened.

So I am unsure of the reasoning behind that, unless it was done in such a way to provoke an overwhelming response so harsh it garners sympathy like we're seeing now.

Is there 4d chess being played here, or are they just complete savages who will stop at nothing until every Jew in Israel is gone?  Would it stop there after that?

So, while I agree, and it makes me sick to think what is happening, what is Israel supposed to do?

What are they supposed to do? Identify and hit a target.

I'm having a very hard time accepting that its neccessary or in any way ok to intentionally fire at innocent people. It's bad when Hamas does it and it's bad when the IDF does it.

To be clear, I'm not criticizing Israel as a whole. I'm against the actions of the Netanyahu administration which appear to me to give everyone in Gaza a choice between expulsion or death.

Others seem to feel that the entire nation of Israel will be wiped out if Netanyahu isn't permitted to continue to prosecute the conflict in the current way. I think it's the opposite. Governments all over the world are recalling ambassadors and condemning Netanyahu's  strategy, and the Arab world is coalescing against Israel. Looks to me like Netanyahu is endangering Israel more than protecting it.


US support is a fickle thing. People fatigue of sending hundreds of billions overseas while their own country struggles.

No one in this thread has yet explained how funding Israel benefits the people of the US. It's a very simple question. I've asked it like 10 times, and none of the Israel supporters seem to have an answer. If they can't come up with a very good one then US funding or US involvement will eventually become unpopular which could mean the end of the Zionist project altogether.

What do we get out of funding and supporting Israel?

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #903 on: November 10, 2023, 07:22:34 PM »
israel did 0ct 7 to its self , just like usa did 9/11 to its self....

It sucks that innocents always pay the price for what assholes running countries do. 

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #904 on: November 10, 2023, 07:55:45 PM »
Is Zelensky still collecting cheques on his Fill My Pockets Tour?

How are the Joos making out with those filthy Muzzies?

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #905 on: November 10, 2023, 08:35:02 PM »
Is Zelensky still collecting cheques on his Fill My Pockets Tour?


Times are tough. He registered an account with OnlyFans.

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #906 on: November 10, 2023, 08:46:12 PM »
Times are tough. He registered an account with OnlyFans.

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #907 on: November 10, 2023, 11:33:02 PM »

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #908 on: November 11, 2023, 05:00:14 AM »

No one in this thread has yet explained how funding Israel benefits the people of the US. It's a very simple question. I've asked it like 10 times, and none of the Israel supporters seem to have an answer. If they can't come up with a very good one then US funding or US involvement will eventually become unpopular which could mean the end of the Zionist project altogether.

What do we get out of funding and supporting Israel?

Projection of US military power into the Middle East

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #909 on: November 11, 2023, 05:40:37 AM »

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #910 on: November 11, 2023, 05:45:40 AM »
US House passes $14.5bn military aid package for Israel

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/3/us-house-passes-14-5bn-military-aid-package-for-israel
every cent going to Israel and Ukraine from the USA is borrowed money
The entire US budget is taken up funding things in the USA

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #911 on: November 11, 2023, 05:46:45 AM »
US House passes $14.5bn military aid package for Israel

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/3/us-house-passes-14-5bn-military-aid-package-for-israel

Not gonna pass senate/white house without Ukraine aid

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #912 on: November 11, 2023, 07:11:49 AM »
Projection of US military power into the Middle East

Not a benefit. That's a liability.

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #913 on: November 11, 2023, 08:17:03 AM »
Projection of US military power into the Middle East

I get you're playing a bit of devil's advocate. My problem with most of the arguments in favor of supporting Israel are that they could be better applied to any other country. Yes, by giving them money and political support we have bought an ally in a strategic area of the world with lots of oil and important shipping passages. But couldn't we just as easily buy the support from a different country that wouldn't give us as much blowback?

I also don't think we have to support Israel to control Iran. I think Iran's neighbors will be forced to contain them if they get too powerful. It doesn't have to be our job to worry about them.

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #914 on: November 11, 2023, 09:12:36 AM »
Projection of US military power into the Middle East

Even if the EV fantasies come to fruition, passenger vehicles only account for about a 1/4 of oil use. So, oil is gonna be a thing for a long time.

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #915 on: November 11, 2023, 04:10:58 PM »
US House passes $14.5bn military aid package for Israel

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/3/us-house-passes-14-5bn-military-aid-package-for-israel

Ramaswamy made an interesting assertion this week, that the US should not give any money to a country with a lower debt to GDP ration than ours.

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #916 on: November 11, 2023, 04:19:43 PM »
Ramaswamy made an interesting assertion this week, that the US should not give any money to a country with a lower debt to GDP ration than ours.

They’re not “giving” the money per se. It comes with strings attached which are invariably a kickback to a favored industry, in this case weapons manufacturers. Then some of the money comes back to politicians in the form of donations or some bs board seat that pays 500k a year.

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #917 on: November 11, 2023, 04:49:39 PM »
Ramaswamy made an interesting assertion this week, that the US should not give any money to a country with a lower debt to GDP ration than ours.


He's like Rand Paul. They leave a few people out of the club to speak some sense so there isn't a vacuum filled by an unknown.

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #918 on: November 12, 2023, 05:23:53 AM »
I get you're playing a bit of devil's advocate. My problem with most of the arguments in favor of supporting Israel are that they could be better applied to any other country. Yes, by giving them money and political support we have bought an ally in a strategic area of the world with lots of oil and important shipping passages. But couldn't we just as easily buy the support from a different country that wouldn't give us as much blowback?

I also don't think we have to support Israel to control Iran. I think Iran's neighbors will be forced to contain them if they get too powerful. It doesn't have to be our job to worry about them.

I’m not playing devils advocate, that’s the unstated reason.  Im sure Zionist lobbyists and donors play a major factor as well.

As far as relying on a different country in that area for an alliance - who?  Israel is the most advanced country in the area, with the strongest military—and is also conveniently dependent on the U.S.  Saudi Arabia might be a contender but they are too powerful with their control of oil supply.

Not a benefit. That's a liability.

Clearly not in the eyes of the US.  I’m open to your position, though - why do yo think it’s a liability?

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #919 on: November 12, 2023, 05:35:55 AM »
Even if the EV fantasies come to fruition, passenger vehicles only account for about a 1/4 of oil use. So, oil is gonna be a thing for a long time.

Oh absolutely.  Our lifestyle depends on cheap oil.  Not just the gas we put into our personal vehicles but the diesel for our trucks, the fuel for our power plants, and the material that everything gets made out of: plastic.  Hell, even our food supply is dependent on the petroleum industry, as the synthetic fertilizer we use is produced from natural gas.

That brings up another motive for Israel & the U.S. - the massive gas fields found right off the coast of Gaza:

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #920 on: November 13, 2023, 02:58:40 AM »
All these Middle Eastern escapades haven't done anything to help the average American. He's worse off now than before Bush lied us into all that shit.

US government war policy doesn't benefit the nation or its people. Vivek was on target. No more being world police. No more pissing away trillions overseas. It's time the US got its own house in order.


The oil war hypothesis doesn't apply here. Why would you need a war in Gaza to get access to offshore oil? Their whole navy is Achmed in a rowboat.

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #921 on: November 13, 2023, 11:20:24 AM »
All these Middle Eastern escapades haven't done anything to help the average American. He's worse off now than before Bush lied us into all that shit.

US government war policy doesn't benefit the nation or its people. Vivek was on target. No more being world police. No more pissing away trillions overseas. It's time the US got its own house in order.


The oil war hypothesis doesn't apply here. Why would you need a war in Gaza to get access to offshore oil? Their whole navy is Achmed in a rowboat.

ukjeff said it before , its all divide and conquer, red team vs blue team,  the whole point of this new fake war is to distract the pleabs from MAUI/UKRAINE/CLOT SHOT/J6 RAY EPPS/AFGHAN WITHDRAW/

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #922 on: November 13, 2023, 12:16:29 PM »
ukjeff said it before , its all divide and conquer, red team vs blue team,  the whole point of this new fake war is to distract the pleabs from MAUI/UKRAINE/CLOT SHOT/J6 RAY EPPS/AFGHAN WITHDRAW/

Yup..

A joke actually... Is UKE even still going on??  ::) ::)

Still penetrating???


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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #923 on: November 13, 2023, 12:34:14 PM »
All these Middle Eastern escapades haven't done anything to help the average American. He's worse off now than before Bush lied us into all that shit.

US government war policy doesn't benefit the nation or its people. Vivek was on target. No more being world police. No more pissing away trillions overseas. It's time the US got its own house in order.


The oil war hypothesis doesn't apply here. Why would you need a war in Gaza to get access to offshore oil? Their whole navy is Achmed in a rowboat.

The more apt comparison would be Afghanistan, where there was a legit initial reason for a military action. Then it turned into an endless, pointless war benefiting only the contractors.

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Re: Israel Attacked - by Hamas - Discussion?
« Reply #924 on: November 13, 2023, 12:45:55 PM »
The more apt comparison would be Afghanistan, where there was a legit initial reason for a military action. Then it turned into an endless, pointless war benefiting only the contractors.
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