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Holodomor - context & discussion
« on: October 15, 2023, 10:22:41 PM »
I smile everytime someone describes the Golodomor as a gratuitous, hate-motivated genocide of white/Ukrainian people fomented by evil Jews

TL;DR : Yes, the Golodomor did happen from 1932 to 1933 (part of the Ukrainian population was purposely starved to death) and yes, during that period, a good portion of the high ranking Soviet leaders were indeed of the jewish faith. The motivations were NOT exactly based on hatred towards goyim or Ukrainians.
The reasons were much simpler and darker : the atrocites were technically, economically and politically necessary for the communistic machine to thrive. After this period, NKVD officers paid a visit to Jewish officials, politicians, and administrators & had them removed. By 1939, key Soviet leadership positions were occupied by Russian officers.



First, the problem requires some context and backstory (if you don'f give a fuck, then jump straight to the next big black dot.)




● Within the Russian Empire, the highest echelons of society were traditionally anti-semitic. The reasons were basically the same as anywhere else. No need to expand on this subject....

The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth controlled the territories of present day Ukraine. After it's dissolution in 1795, the country was partitioned in three stages by the Russian Empire, the German Kingdom of Prussia, and the Austrian Habsburg Monarchy. A large part of Ukraine was incorporated into the Russian Empire.

The Northern parts of Ukraine were traditionally home to large Jewish communities. As a result of the territorie's incorporation into the Empire, jewish populations started to massively emigrate to Russia. Needless to say they weren't greeted with open arms by the locals. Pogroms, persecutions and discrimination ensued. Many fled the country whilst others managed to integrate into the academic layers of Russian society (this is an important detail for later.) Russian hostility towards Jewish communities created a passive climate of mutual hatred.

In the 19th Century, Germany became the cradle of Socialism. A doctrine mostly developped and led by wealthy Jewish intellectuals. The movement grew in popularity and rather sooner than later, reached Tsarist Russia. Influent Jewish scholars quickly picked on this trend to bring about a historic revolution. Its main movement, the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party, was founded in 1895. In 1903, in London, two factions within the party emerged : the Bolsheviks (in Russian, the word means "members of the majority), and the Mensheviks (minority.)
Ideologically speaking, the Bolshevik cohalition favored extremism and violent actions, whereas Mensheviks advocated a measured and peaceful approach through economic reforms.

Unrest and civil war plagued the Russian Empire during the following years. When World War I erupted, German Intelligence saw the chaos in Russia as an opportunity to further destabilize its opponent by secretly dispatching a particularly influent group of Bolsheviks who previously fled their homecountry due to Tsarist repressions. This group was composed of leading figures of the Marxist Revolutionary movement who coordinated the events from abroad. The covert operation was a success. German POW in St.Petersburg were even freed by the Revolutionaries to assist them in their coup.
(Vladimir Lenin was almost late to the party - the syphilitic fuck was too busy dogging around with whores and riding Mercedesses in Geneva, Switzerland.)

After the October Revolution of 1917, the victorious Communists were still calling themselves members of the "Russian Social Democratic Labour Party of the Bolsheviks." And while the crowd chanted pro-revolution slogans at the victory parades, the Germans who aided the Russkies shouted back "long live Wilhelm II !"






● In 1921, Lenin proposed his "New Economic Policy", which allowed the implementation of typically capitalistic elements to the economy. I will only cite the most relevant point to this topic : private farming land ownership was allowed to a certain degree.

In 1929, when the American stock market crashed, the U.S. was in dire need of financial help. The Soviet Union happily came to the rescue, thanks to it's vast reserves of mined gold. In exchange, the U.S. agreed to build and supervise the engineering process of massive industrial plants in the USSR. The Soviet massive collectivization plan had begun..

Massive land confiscations and reorginazations into 'kolhozes' quickly followed. The soil of the Ukrainian Socialist Soviet Republic territory in particular was extremely fertile. There was one major obstacle, though - Christian farmers, who were used to their freedom and private ownership, would vehemently oppose the authorities' intervention. The Govermnent's goal was twofold : Effortessly take full control of the agricultural sector ; exterminate ANY form of ideological and political opposition.

Now, the State couldn't financially afford a stand-off of this magnitude and mass deportation was not an option yet since G.U.L.A.G.'s had only just begun to pick up steam as both a form of cost-effective labor and mass repression.

The easiest and nastiest way the Commies found to reach their goal was to selectively deny the population access to essential goods and agricultural production. Farmers were purely and simply robbed of their land, and could no longer produce anything, which led to a massive famine crisis, and took the lives of millions of Ukrainians.

The second act of this tragedy consisted of the mass importation of ethnic Russian labor force mostly into the Donbass region for land cultivation of 'black earth', exploitation of newly built industrial plants, and of course coal extraction.


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Jewish leadership or not, the end result would have inevitably been the same. Yes, Ukrainians were targeted in this case, but it could have easily been the same for Tadjiks, Armenians or Moldovans, had the situation required it. (Spoiler alert: it also happened - and many times over.)

Again, the reasons were purely practical.

By 1939, the Soviet leadership had mostly if not entirely been taken over by Russians. Anyone else had been arrested, deported or assasinated ( especially the Jews who orchestrated the Terror period.)

Typical Revolutionary cycle.



"All revolutions are conceived by idealists, implemented by fanatics, and its fruits are stolen by scoundrels."
-Thomas Carlyle



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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2023, 11:27:56 PM »
Phmh Holomodor Schmoelomodor who cares

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2023, 11:43:02 PM »
In the darkest depths of holodomor I met a girl so fair.

But Goyim, the evil troll, crept up and slipped away with her.

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2023, 11:45:27 PM »
Great post mops and good clarification!




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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2023, 12:07:57 AM »


But Goyim, the evil troll, crept up and slipped away with her.

If it were a Golem, all you would have to do is remove the paper containing the magic word from its forehead to deactivate it, then go all "Hevenu Shalom Aleichem" on Sarah's butthole.

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2023, 12:21:24 AM »
If it were a Golem, all you would have to do is remove the paper containing the magic word from his forehead to deactivate him, and you could go all "Hevenu Shalom Aleichem" on Sarah's butthole

How many Golems are activated in this current day?
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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2023, 12:26:12 AM »
How many Golems are activated in this current day?
Hopefully, not many.

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2023, 12:46:04 AM »
Hopefully, not many.

Is Joe Biden an activated Clay-Golem?

Seems like a Puppet at times
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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2023, 01:05:08 AM »
Jews are the only group who can steal land and do constant massacres but still perpetuate that they're the victims lmao.

The biggest lie is the one they peddled that the protocols of the elders of Zion is fake  ;D

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2023, 01:06:04 AM »
Not reading this nonsense, but thx... :-[

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2023, 02:29:00 AM »
Nice try.

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2023, 02:46:36 AM »
WINSTON CHURCHILL:

This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weisshaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky in Russia, Bela Kun in Hungary, Rosa Luxembourg in Germany, and Emma Goldman in the United States, this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality has been steadily growing. It played . . . a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky or of Zinovieff . . . or of Krassin or Radek — all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.”

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2023, 06:04:26 AM »
Communism did the Holodomor happening.

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2023, 06:34:23 AM »
Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2023, 07:40:17 AM »
WINSTON CHURCHILL:

This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weisshaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky in Russia, Bela Kun in Hungary, Rosa Luxembourg in Germany, and Emma Goldman in the United States, this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality has been steadily growing. It played . . . a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky or of Zinovieff . . . or of Krassin or Radek — all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution [the Cheka] has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.”


Im sorry but I fail to see how this contradicts what I wrote in my post.

 
Also, you could at least have had the intellectual honesty of quoting the full article from Illustrated Sunday Herald , February 8, 1920, page 5 :


https://www.weaponofmusicaldefense.com/thelibrary/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism_-_A_Struggle_for_the_Soul_of_the_Jewish_People_-_February_8,_1920_by_Winston_Churchill

"Zionism versus Bolshevism.A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People


By the Rt. Hon. Winston S. Churchill.


SOME people like Jews and some do not; but no thoughtful man can doubt the fact that they are beyond all question the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has ever appeared in the world.

Disraeli, the Jew, and Leader of the Conservative Party, who was always true to his race and proud of his origin, said on a well-known occasion: “The Lord deals with the nations as the nations deal with the Jews.” Certainly when we look at the miserable state of Russia, where of all countries in the world the Jews were the most cruelly treated, and contrast it with the fortunes of our own country, which seems to have been so providentially preserved amid the awful perils of these times, we must admit that nothing that has since happened in the history of the world has falsified the truth of Disraeli’s confident assertion.

Good and Bad Jews.

The conflict between good and evil which proceeds unceasingly in the breast of man nowhere reaches such an intensity as in the Jewish race. The dual nature of mankind is nowhere more strongly or more terribly exemplified. We owe to the Jews in the Christian revelation a system of ethics which, even if it were entirely separated from the supernatural, would be incomparably the most precious possession of mankind, worth in fact the fruits of all other wisdom and learning put together. On that system and by that faith there has been built out of the wreck of the Roman Empire the whole of our existing civilisation.

And it may well be that this same astounding race may at the present time be in the actual process of producing another system of morals and philosophy, as malevolent as Christianity was benevolent, which, if not arrested, would shatter irretrievably all that Christianity has rendered possible. It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical.

Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

National" Jews.

There can be no greater mistake than to attribute to each individual a recognisable share in the qualities which make up the national character. There are all sorts of men – good, bad and, for the most part, indifferent – in every country, and in every race. Nothing is more wrong than to deny to an individual, on account of race or origin, his right to be judged on his personal merits and conduct. In a people of peculiar genius like the Jews, contrasts are more vivid, the extremes are more widely separated, the resulting consequences are more decisive.

At the present fateful period there are three main lines of political conception among the Jews, two of which are helpful and hopeful in a very high degree to humanity, and the third absolutely destructive.

First there are the Jews who, dwelling in every country throughout the world, identify themselves with that country, enter into its national life, and, while adhering faithfully to their own religion, regard themselves as citizens in the fullest sense of the State which has received them. Such a Jew living in England would say, “I am an Englishman practising the Jewish faith.” This is a worthy conception, and useful in the highest degree. We in Great Britain well know that during the great struggle the influence of what may be called the “National Jews” in many lands was cast preponderatingly on the side of the Allies; and in our own Army Jewish soldiers have played a most distinguished part, some rising to the command of armies, others winning the Victoria Cross for valour.

The National Russian Jews, in spite of the disabilities under which they have suffered, have managed to play an honourable and useful part in the national life even of Russia. As bankers and industrialists they have strenuously promoted the development of Russia’s economic resources and they were foremost in the creation of those remarkable organisations, the Russian Co-operative Societies. In politics their support has been given, for the most part, to liberal and progressive movements, and they have been among the staunchest upholders of friendship with France and Great Britain.

International Jews.

In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

Terrorist Jews.

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek – all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.

"Protector of the Jews."

Needless to say, the most intense passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian people. Wherever General Denikin’s authority could reach, protection was always accorded to the Jewish population, and strenuous efforts were made by his officers to prevent reprisals and to punish those guilty of them. So much was this the case that the Petlurist propaganda against General Denikin denounced him as the Protector of the Jews. The Misses Healy, nieces of Mr. Tim Healy, in relating their personal experiences in Kieff, have declared that to their knowledge on more than one occasion officers who committed offences against Jews were reduced to the ranks and sent out of the city to the front. But the hordes of brigands by whom the whole vast expanse of the Russian Empire is becoming infested do not hesitate to gratify their lust for blood and for revenge at the expense of the innocent Jewish population whenever an opportunity occurs. The brigand Makhno, the hordes of Petlura and of Gregorieff, who signalised their every success by the most brutal massacres, everywhere found among the half-stupefied, half-infuriated population an eager response to anti-Semitism in its worst and foulest forms.

The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with the villainies which are now being perpetrated. This is an injustice on millions of helpless people, most of whom are themselves sufferers from the revolutionary regime. It becomes, therefore, specially important to foster and develop any strongly-marked Jewish movement which leads directly away from these fatal associations. And it is here that Zionism has such a deep significance for the whole world at the present time.

A Home for the Jews.

Zionism offers the third sphere to the political conceptions of the Jewish race. In violent contrast to international communism, it presents to the Jew a national idea of a commanding character. It has fallen to the British Government, as the result of the conquest of Palestine, to have the opportunity and the responsibility of securing for the Jewish race all over the world a home and a centre of national life. The statesmanship and historic sense of Mr. Balfour were prompt to seize this opportunity. Declarations have been made which have irrevocably decided the policy of Great Britain. The fiery energies of Dr. Weissmann, the leader, for practical purposes, of the Zionist project, backed by many of the most prominent British Jews, and supported by the full authority of Lord Allenby, are all directed to achieving the success of this inspiring movement.

Of course, Palestine is far too small to accommodate more than a fraction of the Jewish race, nor do the majority of national Jews wish to go there. But if, as may well happen, there should be created in our own lifetime by the banks of the Jordan a Jewish State under the protection of the British Crown, which might comprise three or four millions of Jews, an event would have occurred in the history of the world which would, from every point of view, be beneficial, and would be especially in harmony with the truest interests of the British Empire.

Zionism has already become a factor in the political convulsions of Russia, as a powerful competing influence in Bolshevik circles with the international communistic system. Nothing could be more significant than the fury with which Trotsky has attacked the Zionists generally, and Dr. Weissmann in particular. The cruel penetration of his mind leaves him in no doubt that his schemes of a world-wide communistic State under Jewish domination are directly thwarted and hindered by this new ideal, which directs the energies and the hopes of Jews in every land towards a simpler, a truer, and a far more attainable goal. The struggle which is now beginning between the Zionist and Bolshevik Jews is little less than a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people.

Duty of Loyal Jews.

It is particularly important in these circumstances that the national Jews in every country who are loyal to the land of their adoption should come forward on every occasion, as many of them in England have already done, and take a prominent part in every measure for combating the Bolshevik conspiracy. In this way they will be able to vindicate the honour of the Jewish name and make it clear to all the world that the Bolshevik movement is not a Jewish movement, but is repudiated vehemently by the great mass of the Jewish race.

But a negative resistance to Bolshevism in any field is not enough. Positive and practicable alternatives are needed in the moral as well as in the social sphere; and in building up with the utmost possible rapidity a Jewish national centre in Palestine which may become not only a refuge to the oppressed from the unhappy lands of Central Europe, but which will also be a symbol of Jewish unity and the temple of Jewish glory, a task is presented on which many blessings rest.




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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2023, 07:50:53 AM »
Alexander Solzhenitsyn


Of all people, you chose to quote Solzhenitsyn. He was a known liar, a rat, and a plagiarist who served a teeny tiny sentence of 7 years and NEVER picked a shovel in his life.

If you could read Russian, I would happily show you the letters he received from his fellow "Zeks" ( Gulag inmates.) Needless to say they had nothing nice to say to him.

He stole eveything he saw during his time in Ekibastuz, Kazahstan to write his book "Archipelag Gulag."

If you ever want to read the REAL source material, start with "Kolyma Tales" by Varlam Shalamov

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2023, 08:59:20 AM »

Of all people, you chose to quote Solzhenitsyn. He was a known liar, a rat, and a plagiarist who served a teeny tiny sentence of 7 years and NEVER picked a shovel in his life.

If you could read Russian, I would happily show you the letters he received from his fellow "Zeks" ( Gulag inmates.) Needless to say they had nothing nice to say to him.

He stole eveything he saw during his time in Ekibastuz, Kazahstan to write his book "Archipelag Gulag."

If you ever want to read the REAL source material, start with "Kolyma Tales" by Varlam Shalamov

I will try to check that out.

Are you Russian?

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2023, 09:05:48 AM »
I'm confused.

Are Jews evil or not?

Should I turn in to the authorities the Jewish family living in my attic?

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Re: Debunking the Holodomor and ze evil Jews myth
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2023, 09:35:24 AM »
I'm confused.

Are Jews evil or not?

Should I turn in to the authorities the Jewish family living in my attic?

they are okay from Friday evening to Saturday evening