Author Topic: GH guts (Read 7939 times)

shiftedShapes · « **on:** April 30, 2006, 07:26:57 AM »

Posted on Mayhem (thanks already to Tim Fogarty for giving me some insight into "GH guts"):

so is there any consensus as to the causes of "GH gut"?

Is it enlarged organs or intra-abdominal fat, or some combination of the two? If it is intra-abdominal fat is it caused by excessive caloric consumption or is the fat only distributed there because of the use of slin and or GH?

Also is it the case that some pros (frank roberson, greg kovacs) are getting it corrected with surgery, hence the scars on the abdomen in recent pics?

I'm asking here because I figure that Chad probably has a better idea about this then just about anyone else, being the top BBing nutritionist.

Thanks for thinking about my question guys. I would love to see this issue resolved and watch mass monsters like Ronnie coming in with tiny waists. Can you imagine that?

Gordon_Gekko · « **Reply #1 on:** April 30, 2006, 08:52:05 AM »

Whatever the exact cause(s) is, the gut is something that did not start to appear until the early nineties as far as I can recall. And the phenomenon has only gotten worse in the past fifteen years. If you look at pics from the eighties and earlier, you don't see it, which leads me to believe that it is not caused by "heavy training" or "big eating". It's got to be drug-related IMO.

YoungBlood · « **Reply #2 on:** April 30, 2006, 09:12:18 AM »

I agree it's drug related. Maybe the big eating has something to do with it, but not the sole cause of the GH gut. I'd say of anything, it's the insulin. GH was around, though probably not used in great amounts like today. But insulin, nobody touched that till Milos introduced it, and Lee Haney was long gone at that point. But Haney was the big thing in his day till Dorian came along. At one time, though, Dorian was a house and had a small waist too (think '93).
So, I'd say insulin is the biggest contributing factor, but also the GH, and big eating as well (maybe I should say "bigger" eating since the guys today do eat more to some degree).

LuciusFox · « **Reply #3 on:** April 30, 2006, 10:18:58 AM »

I don't know that it is always drug related. Mike Mentzer had a gh gut at the 1979 Mr. Olympia. I have a gh gut at 160 pounds.

Gordon_Gekko · « **Reply #4 on:** April 30, 2006, 10:54:03 AM »

Quote from: LuciusFox on April 30, 2006, 10:18:58 AM

I don't know that it is always drug related. Mike Mentzer had a gh gut at the 1979 Mr. Olympia. I have a gh gut at 160 pounds.

I don't think Mentzer's slight gut protrusion was anywhere near as pronounced as some guts in the past decade or so - like Fux's gut, for example. When one gets extremely lean and still has a HUGE gut (aside from malnutrition), something is seriously wrong. Are you actually doing gh at 160 pounds, or are you just implying that something else causes your gut?

LuciusFox · « **Reply #5 on:** April 30, 2006, 11:00:48 AM »

Quote from: Gordon_Gekko on April 30, 2006, 10:54:03 AM

I don't think Mentzer's slight gut protrusion was anywhere near as pronounced as some guts in the past decade or so - like Fux's gut, for example. When one gets extremely lean and still has a HUGE gut (aside from malnutrition), something is seriously wrong. Are you actually doing gh at 160 pounds, or are you just implying that something else causes your gut?

I'm not doing gh at all. I have a distended stomach sometimes and if I actually had size people would say it was gh.

YoungBlood · « **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2006, 11:23:35 AM »

There is a big difference between a relaxed gut hanging out, and a GH gut falling all over the place.

timfogarty · « **Reply #7 on:** April 30, 2006, 11:32:11 AM »

Quote from: LuciusFox on April 30, 2006, 10:18:58 AM

I don't know that it is always drug related. Mike Mentzer had a gh gut at the 1979 Mr. Olympia.

please show a pic of Mike Mentzer with what you're claiming a GH gut

timfogarty · « **Reply #8 on:** April 30, 2006, 11:36:01 AM »

Quote from: shiftedShapes on April 30, 2006, 07:26:57 AM

Also is it the case that some pros (frank roberson, greg kovacs) are getting it corrected with surgery, hence the scars on the abdomen in recent pics?

if (and that's a big IF) a doctor were to remove a section of intestine, no scar would be visible. (they'd do it through your ass)

scars on your abdomen take years to heal and fade. scars on the bodybuilders you mention are probably very old, perhaps decades.

MisterMagoo · « **Reply #9 on:** April 30, 2006, 11:44:24 AM »

there are powerlifters out there with lean, but enormous stomachs. i think it was written of dave tate that his skinfold fat was 12% but a submersion would put him much higher due to fat behind the ab wall. those guys have little reason to use gh and slin, but i wouldn't doubt they are heavy as hell on the test. plus guys in bygone eras had no problem with doing dbol only and such, these days it's all about the "test is king" mantra, so perhaps that's it, there.

LuciusFox · « **Reply #10 on:** April 30, 2006, 11:54:04 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 30, 2006, 11:32:11 AM

please show a pic of Mike Mentzer with what you're claiming a GH gut

I don't have a pic but I remember Arnold talking about how Mentzer had a big stomach in '79.

the_doc · « **Reply #11 on:** April 30, 2006, 12:01:55 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 30, 2006, 11:36:01 AM

if (and that's a big IF) a doctor were to remove a section of intestine, no scar would be visible. (they'd do it through your ass)

scars on your abdomen take years to heal and fade. scars on the bodybuilders you mention are probably very old, perhaps decades.

Through your ass! I hope you are joking

Otherwise I better go back to med school.
240 started this as an interesting conspiracy theory before. There is no way licensed surgeons are removing BB bowels to help them hit a nicer ab/thigh pose. I love this shit, this is why I like getbig!
regards, the Doc

LuciusFox · « **Reply #12 on:** April 30, 2006, 12:03:58 PM »

Quote from: the_doc on April 30, 2006, 12:01:55 PM

Through your ass! I hope you are joking Otherwise I better go back to med school.
240 started this as an interesting conspiracy theory before. There is no way licensed surgeons are removing BB bowels to help them hit a nicer ab/thigh pose. I love this shit, this is why I like getbig!
regards, the Doc

Looks to me like you are trying to hide something. Why are you so eager to put this rumor to rest? $:-\$

shiftedShapes · « **Reply #13 on:** April 30, 2006, 12:08:23 PM »

Quote from: MisterMagoo on April 30, 2006, 11:44:24 AM

there are powerlifters out there with lean, but enormous stomachs. i think it was written of dave tate that his skinfold fat was 12% but a submersion would put him much higher due to fat behind the ab wall. those guys have little reason to use gh and slin, but i wouldn't doubt they are heavy as hell on the test. plus guys in bygone eras had no problem with doing dbol only and such, these days it's all about the "test is king" mantra, so perhaps that's it, there.

interesting theory.

please keep the ideas rolling guys

the_doc · « **Reply #14 on:** April 30, 2006, 12:09:11 PM »

Quote from: LuciusFox on April 30, 2006, 12:03:58 PM

Looks to me like you are trying to hide something. Why are you so eager to put this rumor to rest? $:-\$

I love it, another conspiracy theorist

You got me! I do illegal small bowel resections witha rusty knife in my back garden. JP Fux and Ruhl are staying with me now recovering in my basement. Wait until you see their new vacuum poses at the next Olympia!

the Doc

P.S. Hey 240, maybe you could do me a website offering the service. i have to go now, Derek Anthony is on the phone looking for a deal for a bowel op.

LuciusFox · « **Reply #15 on:** April 30, 2006, 12:37:49 PM »

Quote from: the_doc on April 30, 2006, 12:09:11 PM

I love it, another conspiracy theorist You got me! I do illegal small bowel resections witha rusty knife in my back garden. JP Fux and Ruhl are staying with me now recovering in my basement. Wait until you see their new vacuum poses at the next Olympia!

the Doc

P.S. Hey 240, maybe you could do me a website offering the service. i have to go now, Derek Anthony is on the phone looking for a deal for a bowel op.

An admission of guilt! Our detective work has paid off

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #16 on:** April 30, 2006, 12:39:50 PM »

Quote from: the_doc on April 30, 2006, 12:01:55 PM

Through your ass! I hope you are joking Otherwise I better go back to med school.
240 started this as an interesting conspiracy theory before. There is no way licensed surgeons are removing BB bowels to help them hit a nicer ab/thigh pose. I love this shit, this is why I like getbig!
regards, the Doc

I think Tim's right and your wrong. I remember my Doc telling me when the time was right he wanted to remove my prostate through my penis hole. The up side to that is that my penis would be swolen but it would make the "experiance" that much better

!!

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #17 on:** April 30, 2006, 01:00:04 PM »

Ask Jay, he knows

timfogarty · « **Reply #18 on:** April 30, 2006, 01:29:16 PM »

Quote from: the_doc on April 30, 2006, 12:01:55 PM

There is no way licensed surgeons are removing BB bowels to help them hit a nicer ab/thigh pose.

there is no way that an ethical licensed surgeon would do that fifth cosmetic surgery on M Jackson, but they did.

and you can argue that implanting pieces of plastic under your calf muscle, or injecting silicone in your face borders on irresponsible too, but people are having it done. (silicone in the face is not FDA approved)

Venezuela is a very popular destination for cosmetic surgery. I'm sure you could find a doctor there to do such things.

regarding the method, how is HPV removed from one's colon? do they just scrape the lining? or are there times whole sections are removed?

240 is Back · « **Reply #19 on:** April 30, 2006, 01:35:35 PM »

Quote from: the_doc on April 30, 2006, 12:09:11 PM

I love it, another conspiracy theorist You got me! I do illegal small bowel resections witha rusty knife in my back garden. JP Fux and Ruhl are staying with me now recovering in my basement. Wait until you see their new vacuum poses at the next Olympia!

the Doc

P.S. Hey 240, maybe you could do me a website offering the service. i have to go now, Derek Anthony is on the phone looking for a deal for a bowel op.

Sounds good.

When I originally came out with the theory- that top guys who stand to make $100k to $1m annually, would consider removing a few feet of intestines to keep the guts in check- it caught a lot of heat.

Today's medicine might make it prohibitive, but who knows what the insanity of a driven few and advances in medicine could bring.

timfogarty · « **Reply #20 on:** April 30, 2006, 01:43:20 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on April 30, 2006, 01:35:35 PM

When I originally came out with the theory- that top guys who stand to make $100k to $1m annually, would consider removing a few feet of intestines to keep the guts in check- it caught a lot of heat.

sorry I must have missed that thread.

while it may be unethical, I don't see any technical reason why it couldn't be done. people are having sections of their stomach removed to fight obesity. this would be less complicated than that.

240 is Back · « **Reply #21 on:** April 30, 2006, 01:47:33 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 30, 2006, 01:43:20 PM

sorry I must have missed that thread.

while it may be unethical, I don't see any technical reason why it couldn't be done. people are having sections of their stomach removed to fight obesity. this would be less complicated than that.

I thought so too!

With so many dollars up in the air, and the GH guts so prevalent, I hypothesized that a pro having several feet of bloated intestine removed for vanity purposes might not be out of the realm of possibility. Imagine a guy like Ronnie with the waistline more like zane... he'd be wildly more marketable than the current package.

Many people hated on it though, calling it a farfetched idea. IMO, if they can do the tummy staple with such regularity, I'm sure there would be some doctor and some BBer willing to give this one a shot.

shiftedShapes · « **Reply #22 on:** April 30, 2006, 01:49:16 PM »

people with crohn's disease also get intestines removed...but I think that the gigantic guts we are seeing are more likely the result of some kind of pathological IAF distribution (like that seen in AIDS patients on meds and palumboism sufferers) then enlargement of the organs themselves.

240 is Back · « **Reply #23 on:** April 30, 2006, 01:51:05 PM »

ALso, there were numerous guys with ab scarring (supposed hernia operations) who came in with leaner waistlines this year. QT I think. Anyone remember the rest? One of the earlier shows this year. The flexonline pics showed 3-4 of the guys with new ab scarring.

If the scrubs can afford it, I'm sure coleman could get something discreet done with better docs/below trunkline/less scarring?

MisterMagoo · « **Reply #24 on:** April 30, 2006, 02:01:24 PM »

no way in hell a bodybuilder would have organ tissue removed. it would completely fuck up his ability to absorb food, if you've ever known anyone who got their stomach stapled you'd know how a gastric operation can mess with eating. if anything, the ab scars would boost proof of my theory, because it'd be easy to pop a small hole in the midsection and suck out the fat behind the abdominals. seeing as it's liposuction few doctors would have a problem with it. but outright removal of sections of intestine? come on, that kind of an operation doesn't even exist in the cosmetic world.

Author Topic: GH guts (Read 7939 times)

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