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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #100 on: November 19, 2023, 02:08:53 PM »
Staying on a diet is a mental game.

I'm referring specifically to weight control, not health.

You have to find the one that is sustainable for you.

I think the easiest one to stay on is low carb, high fat, moderate protein.

For health reasons, research is showing this to also be the best.

If you are a competitive athlete it may not be the best.



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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #101 on: November 19, 2023, 02:13:19 PM »
Staying on a diet is a mental game.

I'm referring specifically to weight control, not health.

You have to find the one that is sustainable for you.

I think the easiest one to stay on is low carb, high fat, moderate protein.

For health reasons, research is showing this to also be the best.

If you are a competitive athlete it may not be the best.

yep

calories in vs calories out

problem is most peeps are too big a pussies to feel physical pain and suffer that's what happens when you take in low cals it 's pain and suffering no way around it

easy answer... become a tough sob :D :D :D

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #102 on: November 19, 2023, 02:25:17 PM »
I find this most peculiar indeed.

Here I am trying to start arguments on Getbig and this happens.



There are more direct ways.


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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #103 on: November 19, 2023, 02:27:20 PM »
There are more direct ways.



I'd like to see Bruce Lee and Bhanky fight.

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #104 on: November 19, 2023, 02:47:43 PM »
50 g is basically keto, i don't think its good long term (but who knows, maybe).

however, i think most ppl do eat too many carbs. im on around 150g day--mayyybee 200g--on a 3500 calorie diet. i burn 1500 active calories a day from walking + low-intensity cardio (e.g. 2-3 watts/kg on a bike) + i lift so im very active, and i still think thats enough for me.

this is about 20% calories from carbs; before i was eating a more typical 50+%. i went from a sort of inflamed puffy look to harder/less inflamed... my joints feel a lot better and i get less tired after meals.

i remember the wise teachings of master galeniko, tho he took it a bit far i think.

before pic was taken a while back, after pic was taken yesterday.

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #105 on: November 19, 2023, 02:50:34 PM »
50 g is basically keto, i don't think its good long term (but who knows, maybe).

however, i think most ppl do eat too many carbs. im on around 150g day--mayyybee 200g--on a 3500 calorie diet. i burn 1500 active calories a day from walking + low-intensity cardio (e.g. 2-3 watts/kg on a bike) + i lift so im very active, and i still think thats enough for me.

this is about 20% calories from carbs; before i was eating a more typical 50+%. i went from a sort of inflamed puffy look to harder/less inflamed... my joints feel a lot better and i get less tired after meals.

i remember the wise teachings of master galeniko, tho he took it a bit far i think.

before pic was taken a while back, after pic was taken yesterday.

I met up with him in London and we went all day without eating anything, only had a coffee  ;D

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #106 on: November 19, 2023, 03:42:11 PM »
I met up with him in London and we went all day without eating anything, only had a coffee  ;D

Who paid?

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #107 on: November 19, 2023, 03:52:26 PM »
Who paid?
Him I think, I was a guest,

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #108 on: November 19, 2023, 04:02:14 PM »
50 g is basically keto, i don't think its good long term (but who knows, maybe).

however, i think most ppl do eat too many carbs. im on around 150g day--mayyybee 200g--on a 3500 calorie diet. i burn 1500 active calories a day from walking + low-intensity cardio (e.g. 2-3 watts/kg on a bike) + i lift so im very active, and i still think thats enough for me.

this is about 20% calories from carbs; before i was eating a more typical 50+%. i went from a sort of inflamed puffy look to harder/less inflamed... my joints feel a lot better and i get less tired after meals.

i remember the wise teachings of master galeniko, tho he took it a bit far i think.

before pic was taken a while back, after pic was taken yesterday.

This is the sweet spot range for active people.

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #109 on: November 19, 2023, 04:06:53 PM »
50 g is basically keto, i don't think its good long term (but who knows, maybe).

however, i think most ppl do eat too many carbs. im on around 150g day--mayyybee 200g--on a 3500 calorie diet. i burn 1500 active calories a day from walking + low-intensity cardio (e.g. 2-3 watts/kg on a bike) + i lift so im very active, and i still think thats enough for me.

this is about 20% calories from carbs; before i was eating a more typical 50+%. i went from a sort of inflamed puffy look to harder/less inflamed... my joints feel a lot better and i get less tired after meals.

i remember the wise teachings of master galeniko, tho he took it a bit far i think.

before pic was taken a while back, after pic was taken yesterday.
Fucking ripped and vascular....props!

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #110 on: November 19, 2023, 04:09:37 PM »
In that case: Just don’t eat too much😁

Well, a little more complicated than that but not much more. Which is why they get guideline (QuickStart packets), check ins, etc

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #111 on: November 19, 2023, 07:08:06 PM »
This is the sweet spot range for active people.

yeah, i used to think i needed more. maybe my performance during workouts is a little bit worse, but overall i feel and look much better after lowering the carbs significantly.

Fucking ripped and vascular....props!

thanks wes!

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #112 on: November 20, 2023, 04:17:40 AM »
50 g is basically keto, i don't think its good long term (but who knows, maybe).

however, i think most ppl do eat too many carbs. im on around 150g day--mayyybee 200g--on a 3500 calorie diet. i burn 1500 active calories a day from walking + low-intensity cardio (e.g. 2-3 watts/kg on a bike) + i lift so im very active, and i still think thats enough for me.

this is about 20% calories from carbs; before i was eating a more typical 50+%. i went from a sort of inflamed puffy look to harder/less inflamed... my joints feel a lot better and i get less tired after meals.

i remember the wise teachings of master galeniko, tho he took it a bit far i think.

before pic was taken a while back, after pic was taken yesterday.

Looking great, cephissus!  Good job.

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #113 on: November 20, 2023, 04:29:48 AM »
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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #114 on: November 20, 2023, 04:51:55 AM »

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #115 on: November 20, 2023, 05:50:14 AM »

Marathons are run at about 80% VO2 max. 5Ks at about 95%. 64% is jogging. They know that. The study is a fraud.

“Methods: Twenty elite ultra-marathoners and ironman distance triathletes performed a maximal graded exercise test and a 180 min submaximal run at 64% VO2max on a treadmill to determine metabolic responses.”

Fair enough.  <50g carbs per day may not be optimal for athletic performance at >70% VO2 max.  Personally, I still see no harm in athletes and scientists experimenting with it.

Re-Examining High-Fat Diets for Sports Performance: Did We Call the 'Nail in the Coffin' Too Soon?

During the period 1985-2005, studies examined the proposal that adaptation to a low-carbohydrate (<25 % energy), high-fat (>60 % energy) diet (LCHF) to increase muscle fat utilization during exercise could enhance performance in trained individuals by reducing reliance on muscle glycogen. As little as 5 days of training with LCHF retools the muscle to enhance fat-burning capacity with robust changes that persist despite acute strategies to restore carbohydrate availability (e.g., glycogen supercompensation, carbohydrate intake during exercise). Furthermore, a 2- to 3-week exposure to minimal carbohydrate (<20 g/day) intake achieves adaptation to high blood ketone concentrations. However, the failure to detect clear performance benefits during endurance/ultra-endurance protocols, combined with evidence of impaired performance of high-intensity exercise via a down-regulation of carbohydrate metabolism led this author to dismiss the use of such fat-adaptation strategies by competitive athletes in conventional sports. Recent re-emergence of interest in LCHF diets, coupled with anecdotes of improved performance by sportspeople who follow them, has created a need to re-examine the potential benefits of this eating style. Unfortunately, the absence of new data prevents a different conclusion from being made. Notwithstanding the outcomes of future research, there is a need for better recognition of current sports nutrition guidelines that promote an individualized and periodized approach to fuel availability during training, allowing the athlete to prepare for competition performance with metabolic flexibility and optimal utilization of all muscle substrates. Nevertheless, there may be a few scenarios where LCHF diets are of benefit, or at least are not detrimental, for sports performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26553488


Impact Of Ketogenic Diet On Athletes: Current Insights

2019 Nov 15

Whether nutritional ketosis yields any tangible performance benefits to athletes is a contentious subject within nutrition science. This academic debate has brought about several investigations in an array of athletes, including endurance athletes, resistance-trained athletes, and CrossFit trainees.

The impact of a ketogenic diet (KD) (<50 g/d carbohydrate, >75% fat) on athletic performance has sparked much interest and self-experimentation in the past 3–4 years. Evidence shows 3–4-week adaptations to a KD in endurance-trained athletes were associated with maintenance of moderate (46–63% VO2max) and vigorous intensity (64–90% VO2max) endurance exercise, while at intensities >70% VO2max, increases in fat oxidation were associated with decreased economy (increased oxygen consumption), and in some cases, increased ratings of perceived exertion and heart rate. Two investigations in recreationally active endurance athletes noted no vigorous intensity exercise decrement following 3- and 12-week adaptations. Moderate (70–85% one repetition maximum) and near-maximal to maximal intensity (>85% 1RM) strength performance experienced no decrement following a 3-12-week KD adaptation. Beneficial effects were noted for 2000 m sprint and critical power test completed for short duration at vigorous intensity, while two additional tests noted no decrement. For sprint, near-maximal exercise (>91% VO2max), benefit of the KD was observed for six-second sprint, while no decrement in performance was noted for two additional maximal tests. When protein is equated (grams per kilogram), one investigation noted no decrement in muscle hypertrophy, while one noted a decrement. One investigation with matched protein noted the KD group lost more body fat. In conclusion, moderate-to-vigorous intensity exercise experiences no decrement following adaptation to a KD. Decreases in exercise economy are observed >70% VO2max in trained endurance athletes which may negate performance within field settings. Beneficial effects of the KD during short duration vigorous, and sprint bouts of exercises are often confounded by greater weight loss in the KD group. With more athletes pursuing carbohydrate-restricted diets (moderate and strict (KD)) for their proposed health benefits, more work is needed in the area to address both performance and health outcomes.

Short-Duration Vigorous Intensity (64–90% VO2max, >30 s)
Evidence suggests no decrement to short-duration vigorous-intensity exercise following 3–12 weeks of a KD within trained and recreationally trained athletes. Findings are contrary to sports nutrition guidelines, which recommend carbohydrate availability to enable vigorous performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6863116/

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #116 on: November 20, 2023, 05:52:04 AM »
The low carb cult wants you to believe there’s no difference between one slice and the whole pie.

Maybe, but who stops at just one slice?

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #117 on: November 20, 2023, 06:15:04 AM »
The reason why keto fails in high intensity activities is the same reason that fat is insufficient. It takes longer to break down both in digestion and to produce ATP.

Fat is the preferred fuel source for low to moderate intensity activities; carbohydrates, for high intensity.

Another way of putting it is that Fat produces more energy per unit of weight, carbs, per unit of time.

Don’t blame me Keto Warriors. Blame God.

No matter, I personally do this mainly for brain health, and for the multitude of other therapeutic benefits of nutritional ketosis.  The results and benefits for me personally have more than exceeded my expectations, which is why I have continued this way of eating four years in a row with no end in sight for me.

Clinical review: Ketones and brain injury
"Although much feared by clinicians, the ability to produce ketones has allowed humans to withstand prolonged periods of starvation. At such times, ketones can supply up to 50% of basal energy requirements. More interesting, however, is the fact that ketones can provide as much as 70% of the brain's energy needs, more efficiently than glucose. Studies suggest that during times of acute brain injury, cerebral uptake of ketones increases significantly."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3219306/

Ketone Bodies and Brain Metabolism: New Insights and Perspectives for Neurological Diseases
Published Online:14 Apr 2023
In summary, nutritional regimens (KDs and ketotherapeutic supplements) that generate increased KBs in plasma and the brain (ketosis) appear to have substantial potential to improve neuronal processes, such as mitochondrial metabolism, cell signaling, and neurotransmitter function. Additionally, KDs can reduce oxidative stress, inflammation, and toxicity, which can increase neural network stability and thereby improve cognitive function. There is a growing body of evidence supporting the benefits of KBs for some neurological conditions.
https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.20230017

The Role of Ketogenic Diet in the Treatment of Neurological Diseases
Published online 2022 Nov 24
More than a hundred years of studies on the ketogenic diet’s effect on neurological diseases (starting with epilepsy) means that they belong to the main fields of research related to the therapeutic potential of the diet. This results from its very wide, pleiotropic effect on the body as well as from a number of (including those not yet known) mechanisms of action on the nervous system. Its favourable activity in neurological diseases, demonstrated in clinical studies, is related to the following: reducing the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS); reducing neuronal inflammatory conditions; the reconstruction of neuronal myelin sheaths; the repair of damaged mitochondria and the formation of new mitochondria and, thus, the effect on the disturbed neuronal metabolism in a number of neurological diseases; the provision of an alternative energy source for neurons in the form of ketone bodies; a reduction in glucose and insulin concentrations; the induction of autophagy; the reduction of microglia stimulation; the reduction of the excitatory postsynaptic current (EPSC) through action on voltage-dependent Ca2+ channels (VDCC); intestinal microbiota modulation and gene expression (epigenetic origin); assistance in the production of indispensable dopamine; and an increase in glutamine conversion into the neurotransmitter GABA. Together, with all the mentioned mechanisms, it is not surprising that the ketogenic diet in clinical studies shows a favourable effect on a number of neurological diseases, including epilepsy, Alzheimer’s disease (AD), Parkinson’s disease (PD), multiple sclerosis (MS) and migraine, which has been demonstrated in this paper.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9739023/

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #118 on: November 20, 2023, 06:15:49 AM »
according to big bad mike mentzer the diet should be.... 25% pro 60% carb 15% fat

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #119 on: November 20, 2023, 06:45:57 AM »
50 g is basically keto, i don't think its good long term (but who knows, maybe).

however, i think most ppl do eat too many carbs. im on around 150g day--mayyybee 200g--on a 3500 calorie diet. i burn 1500 active calories a day from walking + low-intensity cardio (e.g. 2-3 watts/kg on a bike) + i lift so im very active, and i still think thats enough for me.

this is about 20% calories from carbs; before i was eating a more typical 50+%. i went from a sort of inflamed puffy look to harder/less inflamed... my joints feel a lot better and i get less tired after meals.

i remember the wise teachings of master galeniko, tho he took it a bit far i think.

before pic was taken a while back, after pic was taken yesterday.

Thanks for mentioning this. Just the other day, I was wondering about this since I myself have to eat quite a few calories to maintain (around the 3300-3500 range). I was originally getting 220-240 grams of protein/80-100 grams of fat/then I’d use carbs to fill in the deficit, so it was always over 400 grams). If I cut carbs to 200 grams, I don’t know what the hell I’d eat for fat sources to consume 89 grams of additional fat without getting a bunch of saturated fat or feeling really full all of the time. What foods are you eating?

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #120 on: November 20, 2023, 07:18:14 AM »
I met up with him in London and we went all day without eating anything, only had a coffee  ;D

Define "went all day", potential homo.
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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #121 on: November 20, 2023, 07:35:20 AM »
Looking great, cephissus!  Good job.

Thanks loco! And thanks for posting all the keto info.

Thanks for mentioning this. Just the other day, I was wondering about this since I myself have to eat quite a few calories to maintain (around the 3300-3500 range). I was originally getting 220-240 grams of protein/80-100 grams of fat/then I’d use carbs to fill in the deficit, so it was always over 400 grams). If I cut carbs to 200 grams, I don’t know what the hell I’d eat for fat sources to consume 89 grams of additional fat without getting a bunch of saturated fat or feeling really full all of the time. What foods are you eating?

My estimates--both carbs and total calories--could be a bit off as i dont count anymore. I eat a very repetitive diet. Throughout the day, i eat probably 5-6 low-carb protein or keto bars (e.g. quest bars) and 3-5 pieces of fruit. The bars generally have 10-20g protein and fat, depending on the kind, so thats quite a bit of fat.

At night i have a huge bowl of sauteed vegetables and meat, with a cubed up 100-125g slice of sweet potato. The vegetables are 1 head of broccoli and half a red bell pepper. The meat is rotisserie chicken (roughly 250g) and usually one other kind (e.g. red meat) for another 250-450g.

Sometimes i have chocolate as well, which is a lot of saturated fat so i try to keep that to 3 times a week or less. Usually i eat the whole 100g bar of 85% dark chocolate from trader joes   ;D sometimes only half tho lol.

I use a lot of oil and butter to sautee the meat, veg, and potato but i try to keep in under control, pouring off excess.

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #122 on: November 20, 2023, 07:37:45 AM »
Thanks!

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #123 on: November 20, 2023, 07:55:26 AM »
yep

calories in vs calories out

problem is most peeps are too big a pussies to feel physical pain and suffer that's what happens when you take in low cals it 's pain and suffering no way around it

easy answer... become a tough sob :D :D :D

The few times I've tried to lose weight, I always enjoyed the "hunger" feeling, I think of it as "This is the weight being lost, right now."

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Re: The answer to: "Why am I fat?"
« Reply #124 on: November 20, 2023, 08:22:10 AM »


Short-Duration Vigorous Intensity (64–90% VO2max, >30 s)
Evidence suggests no decrement to short-duration vigorous-intensity exercise following 3–12 weeks of a KD within trained and recreationally trained athletes. Findings are contrary to sports nutrition guidelines, which recommend carbohydrate availability to enable vigorous performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6863116/

LOL - I take considerable exception to that aforementioned study. I spent nearly a year on keto (50g give or take carb levels daily)- and my short term, high effort competitive ability went to hell. I was awesome at 1-2 hour efforts but as soon as the field stepped on the gas (5-10K races) I was dropped like a bad habit. I immediately went back on a high carb diet and my performance skyrocketed. That's the thing about these academic studies- "evidence" is often cherry picked.