Phil "No insulin no tren" Heath

[Raymondo]

"I never ran insulin in my entire life"

"I messed around with tren but then I realised I have high prolactin levels"

"The most test I took was 1300 mg. I tried 1500 and realised I got too watery"

"I'm the one who did the infrared sauna, I'm the one that did neuromuscular massage, DRX 9000 with the decompression of the spine while doing accupuncture and taking oxygen at the same time!"

"Pay me a million and I'll take that lie detector test, yo"

[kreator]

The champ always takes the least lol. It's his determination that sets him apart from others  . Lying scum

[pamith]

My nikka

[Royalty]

The fact that he is willing to take a lie detector test proves that he is a trustworthy person and a role model.

[Humble Narcissist]

The champ always takes the least lol. It's his determination that sets him apart from others  . Lying scum

All hard work and a positive mindset.

[Rambone]

The fact that he is willing to take a lie detector test proves that he is a trustworthy person and a role model.

 

[robcguns]

I don’t know but I was talking with a guy the other day about this and he said no way and I said but should t top tier genetics account for something? He may be lying a bit but with genetics that could he could be under 2 grams a week in my eyes. The guys who don’t have the genetics are prob the ones who use 10grmas a week no? I know a guy who takes maybe a gram total a week or test,deca and eq and he looks like a pro at 51 years old.  Not saying Heath isn’t a liar just thinking maybe possible?

[Hulkotron]

How his nose got so big then?

[robcguns]

How his nose got so big then?

He didn’t say anything about No GH there haha.

[Royalty]

I don’t know but I was talking with a guy the other day about this and he said no way and I said but should t top tier genetics account for something? He may be lying a bit but with genetics that could he could be under 2 grams a week in my eyes. The guys who don’t have the genetics are prob the ones who use 10grmas a week no? I know a guy who takes maybe a gram total a week or test,deca and eq and he looks like a pro at 51 years old.  Not saying Heath isn’t a liar just thinking maybe possible?

Heath definitely took less than the average pro bodybuilder during his reign.

The lie detector results will confirm that fact.

[dj181]

I don’t know but I was talking with a guy the other day about this and he said no way and I said but should t top tier genetics account for something? He may be lying a bit but with genetics that could he could be under 2 grams a week in my eyes. The guys who don’t have the genetics are prob the ones who use 10grmas a week no? I know a guy who takes maybe a gram total a week or test,deca and eq and he looks like a pro at 51 years old.  Not saying Heath isn’t a liar just thinking maybe possible?

most guys nowadays say 2-3 grams is maxed, and this is for 5'10" 250+ on stage guys

vig steve says you can get massive on test, gh, slin and no other anabolics and he knows what's up

funny thing is you'd kick the living shit out of all these muscled up tough guys

[Spike]

most top guys - top competitors - DONT RUN ALOT OF TEST

they may have in the past - its in the mix - but for a TOP PRO

they are running more  advanced anabolics - get more effect - high test levels come along with too much other shit to deal with - you can take primo or tren hex or some parabolan at half the dose - with less sides and run it longer doing so

same with gh and slin - find the dose that works - its def not high for too long - the Goldilocks range of dosages is what you're looking for if you want "the look"

now if you want to look big in a shirt or throw around weight in your local gym - thats a diff path altogether

[Van_Bilderass]

If I had to guess, he was flirting with 4 grams for a while. The insulin thing is a total lie. The GH I think would shock people. I think Jay had an influence, he's stressed the importance of GH, recent rumor said a vial of serostim morning/night (36) and Jay was tricked to admitting 4 Anadrol a day. Count it, say of season 200mg Anadrol, that's already 1400mg. Then you have the test. I would suggest test was at least 2g and then you have the pro favorite EQ (JP said a while back that EQ is something to build milligrams because it's kinda mild but less sides than even more test). So say EQ at half the test dose. Then you can't forget Deca. It will almost be there by default, even if someone just takes 200mg "for the joints." But let's say a little bit less than the EQ. I know a guy who does nothing but "A LOT of test" off season but usually doesn't even remember to count the 1ml of Deca for the joints. I mean years back he was trying to beat Ronnie and Nasser with his 10G of test and 10 Anadrol, if we are to believe him.




You can speculate, but I think 2 grams was common in 80s, 3 common to turn pro in 80s to very early 90s, when  Munzer died and his cycle was found in his pocket other pros went, "holy shit, testosterone could maybe be increased" and so they did. Now national level competitors have about 1500mg of test as a base to build the cycle. Phil thought I must sound believable yet not sound like a total madman.

The highest GH admitted dose seems to be Heiko Kallbach with 54iu of Genotropin. He was ugly, he was big and full of Synthol, a disaster.

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[Pet shop boys]

The champ always takes the least lol. It's his determination that sets him apart from others  . Lying scum

The cycle of Bodybuilders life ....

wait until he gets older It'll get worse 



WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[dj181]

If I had to guess, he was flirting with 4 grams for a while. The insulin thing is a total lie. The GH I think would shock people. I think Jay had an influence, he's stressed the importance of GH, recent rumor said a vial of serostim morning/night (36) and Jay was tricked to admitting 4 Anadrol a day. Count it, say of season 200mg Anadrol, that's already 1400mg. Then you have the test. I would suggest test was at least 2g and then you have the pro favorite EQ (JP said a while back that EQ is something to build milligrams because it's kinda mild but less sides than even more test). So say EQ at half the test dose. Then you can't forget Deca. It will almost be there by default, even if someone just takes 200mg "for the joints." But let's say a little bit less than the EQ. I know a guy who does nothing but "A LOT of test" off season but usually doesn't even remember to count the 1ml of Deca for the joints. I mean years back he was trying to beat Ronnie and Nasser with his 10G of test and 10 Anadrol, if we are to believe him.




You can speculate, but I think 2 grams was common in 80s, 3 common to turn pro in 80s to very early 90s, when  Munzer died and his cycle was found in his pocket other pros went, "holy shit, testosterone could maybe be increased" and so they did. Now national level competitors have about 1500mg of test as a base to build the cycle. Phil thought I must sound believable yet not sound like a total madman.

The highest GH admitted dose seems to be Heiko Kallbach with 54iu of Genotropin. He was ugly, he was big and full of Synthol, a disaster.

i=H9WaFj3NeMeltY7l

so you think john jewett, vic black and joe jefferies are full of shit?

phil willams was 198 DICED @ 5'7" on 250 test 100 primo and 15-20 var or so he says check 3:57 BOOM!!!!! aesthetic god right there

[Van_Bilderass]

so you think john jewett, vic black and joe jefferies are full of shit?

phil willams was 198 DICED @ 5'7" on 250 test 100 primo and 15-20 var or so he says check 3:57 BOOM!!!!! aesthetic god right there

First, those guys can all be called "Vic" because they were both disciples and "trained by Vic." LOL. I mean what I said about the progression in dosages is I think about what Vic's said. Now some guys probaly took TOO much, so the necessity to curb unreasonable doses is there. First, get to a high level while trying to moderate doses, take a fair assessment of your genetics and potential and go a bit more wild to reach the top, if you deem worth it (might not even be a goal of competing, it can be whatever you wish, maybe gain IG followers). I'm older now but I wish the price would come down to American levels, I never really expoerimented due to price. Perfect age to try the longevity benefits. My friend is 60 and he has money, makes me salivate with his ("I have now 1000iu's generic and another 1000 iu's of Pharma and I will buy one kit a month to maintain reserves" I'm like chill out dude, you say you're going to do only 2-4 iu with 3 iu of insulin)

He did in fact once gift me 5 Genotropin pens, guaranteed from the local pharmavy here.

One thing Vic said, tere is really NOTHING new in bb since the early 90s, about the time Dorian exploded. There is reall NOTHING new we absolutely needed to hear to make gains, it's 30 years of stagnation. I agree with that.

Regarding Williams he actually lived in my town. Reportedly a lot of Cocaine and GHB was us. Phil had to wake up Andreas Cahling for each set, proceded to visit the the bathroom first. My source, a friend who trained with them.

[dj181]

First, those guys can all be called "Vic" because they were both disciples and "trained by Vic." LOL. I mean what I said about the progression in dosages is I think about what Vic's said. Now some guys probaly took TOO much, so the necessity to curb unreasonable doses is there. First, get to a high level while trying to moderate doses, take a fair assessment of your genetics and potential and go a bit more wild to reach the top, if you deem worth it (might not even be a goal of competing, it can be whatever you wish, maybe gain IG followers). I'm older now but I wish the price would come down to American levels, I never really expoerimented due to price. Perfect age to try the longevity benefits. My friend is 60 and he has money, makes me salivate with his ("I have now 1000iu's generic and another 1000 iu's of Pharma and I will buy one kit a month to maintain reserves" I'm like chill out dude, you say you're going to do only 2-4 iu with 3 iu of insulin)

He did in fact once gift me 5 Genotropin pens, guaranteed from the local pharmavy here.

do you know this dude?

smart fella

[Van_Bilderass]

do you know this dude?

smart fella

No. I can't promise I'll watch it, too much else ti do. Any comments by him with maybe a littlee new insight or ideas?

[ProudVirgin69]

I can believe he took somewhat on the lower end of the spectrum but ultimately he took what he needed to take to win the Mr O, period.  The contest isn’t to take as few drugs as possible, it’s to be the biggest leanest physique on stage.

Phils approach matured into something that was different from other contemporaries of his -  he’d cruise & shrink down in the off season on lower doses of test & deca, maybe like 1-2g total, and then 12-16 weeks precontest he’d drive up the doses of the androgens and grow into the show.  Pretty smart approach and he had the timing down pat

[dj181]

No. I can't promise I'll watch it, too much else ti do. Any comments by him with maybe a littlee new insight or ideas?

i'll listen to it later and report back

shits interesting to me even though i'll never run gh or igf, i'm an aesthectics guy ie. waist less than 30 inches with 17 inch arms 50 inch chest

all these 250+ guys have 40+ inch waists fuck dat shit

his is probably 31-32 here

[falco]

Lol at Phil claimming some sort of virtue for using some drugs but not others. It's like a crackhead bragg about not using heroin.

[dj181]

First, those guys can all be called "Vic" because they were both disciples and "trained by Vic." LOL. I mean what I said about the progression in dosages is I think about what Vic's said. Now some guys probaly took TOO much, so the necessity to curb unreasonable doses is there. First, get to a high level while trying to moderate doses, take a fair assessment of your genetics and potential and go a bit more wild to reach the top, if you deem worth it (might not even be a goal of competing, it can be whatever you wish, maybe gain IG followers). I'm older now but I wish the price would come down to American levels, I never really expoerimented due to price. Perfect age to try the longevity benefits. My friend is 60 and he has money, makes me salivate with his ("I have now 1000iu's generic and another 1000 iu's of Pharma and I will buy one kit a month to maintain reserves" I'm like chill out dude, you say you're going to do only 2-4 iu with 3 iu of insulin)

He did in fact once gift me 5 Genotropin pens, guaranteed from the local pharmavy here.

One thing Vic said, tere is really NOTHING new in bb since the early 90s, about the time Dorian exploded. There is reall NOTHING new we absolutely needed to hear to make gains, it's 30 years of stagnation. I agree with that.

Regarding Williams he actually lived in my town. Reportedly a lot of Cocaine and GHB was us. Phil had to wake up Andreas Cahling for each set, proceded to visit the the bathroom first. My source, a friend who trained with them.

interesting but coke and ghb didn't add muscle to his frame, so are you saying he took more than he claimed?

my bench press coach told me they'd snort coke before lifts at pl meets back in the day, supposedly someone shot john inzer with speedball before his 700 pull @ 165

a friend knew a guy who knew matt dimell real well and his friend said dimell iced 2 eyetalin mafiiso who came to his door to collect the bill, dimell od'ed on speedball

there were 2 south african guys that came to westside and bragged about "filling holes in the desert" so louie told them to GTFO

[beakdoctor]

so you think john jewett, vic black and joe jefferies are full of shit?

phil willams was 198 DICED @ 5'7" on 250 test 100 primo and 15-20 var or so he says check 3:57 BOOM!!!!! aesthetic god right there

Damn, I miss the 80's.

Everything about this video is better than anything I saw at the Mr. O a few weeks ago. Even the shitty parts of this vid are 10x better than anything today. The bodybuilders, the posing,  the music, the commentary. Chris Dickerson sounds like an educated, articulate,  professional giving a qualified analysis of every routine.  Now you have Chic who sounds (and looks) like a buffoon

[Raymondo]

interesting but coke and ghb didn't add muscle to his frame, so are you saying he took more than he claimed?

my bench press coach told me they'd snort coke before lifts at pl meets back in the day, supposedly someone shot john inzer with speedball before his 700 pull @ 165

a friend knew a guy who knew matt dimell real well and his friend said dimell iced 2 eyetalin mafiiso who came to his door to collect the bill, dimell od'ed on speedball

there were 2 south african guys that came to westside and bragged about "filling holes in the desert" so louie told them to GTFO

I like how you try to talk like some sort of tough guy, meanwhile you some middle-aged Polish pencil-neck.

[ProudVirgin69]

I like how you try to talk like some sort of tough guy, meanwhile you some middle-aged Polish pencil-neck.

Lmfao I like Dj but thats savage