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Jaamal Bowman Censured for his “Insurrection”
« on: December 07, 2023, 09:00:49 AM »
Jamaal Bowman latest Democrat to be censured following false fire alarm incident

For all intents and purposes he should be in jail along with Talib

Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-NY) became the latest Democratic lawmaker to be censured by the House, this one over accusations the Squad member intentionally disrupted congressional proceedings by pulling a fire alarm earlier this year.

Lawmakers voted 214-191 to censure Bowman on Thursday, making him the third Democrat this year to be publicly condemned by the House. The resolution passed along party lines, with only three Democrats voting to censure Bowman: Reps. Jahana Hayes (D-CT), Chris Pappas (D-NH), and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (D-WA).

Another four Democrats voted "present" on the measure: Reps. Susan Wild (D-PA), Glenn Ivey (D-MD), Deborah Ross (D-NC), and Chrissy Houlahan (D-PA), who are all on the Ethics Committee. One Republican voted "present": Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD).

Shortly after the vote concluded, Bowman was directed to stand at the front of the House floor while Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) read aloud the charges against him. Aside from the public rebuke, no other disciplinary action is attached to the measure.

The censure is designed to punish Bowman for falsely pulling a fire alarm in a congressional office building on Sept. 30. Caught on security footage, Bowman claimed he yanked the alarm out of "confusion" when a door wouldn't open in his rush to get to the House floor to vote.

Bowman was charged criminally and reached a plea deal, agreeing to pay a $1,000 fine, write an apology letter to the Capitol Police, and serve three months of probation.

“This is a felony, plain and simple,” said Rep. Lisa McClain (R-MI), who introduced the resolution. “It’s not difficult to understand. Capitol Police was forced to waste resources investigating rather than doing their job to keep the Capitol safe … Realizing no number of excuses could get him out of this, Mr. Bowman pled guilty.”

Bowman pushed back against the effort to censure him over the incident, denouncing the resolution as a distraction from "governing the American people."

In no way did I obstruct official proceedings. The vote took place, and Democrats avoided a government shutdown,” Bowman said. “This is an insult to the people I was elected to represent. Instead of passing meaningful legislation, some Republicans are using this to waste our time and money and to make you forget about all of the rights they want to destroy."

Other Democrats decried the effort as well, accusing House Republicans of seeking to weaponize the historically rare form of punishment to undermine the credibility of the opposite party.

Censure resolutions have not been used frequently over the course of history, with only five members being censured in the last 40 years. Three of those have been in this year alone after the censures of Bowman as well as Reps. Adam Schiff (D-CA) and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) earlier this year.


The three resolutions mark the most censures to happen in the course of a year since 1870, when three other lawmakers were censured for selling military academy appointments.

Bowman's conduct was previously referred to the nonpartisan Ethics Committee, which decided last month not to open an investigation into the matter.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/jamaal-bowman-censured-over-false-fire-alarm-incident




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Re: Jaamal Bowman Censured for his “Insurrection”
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2023, 09:45:36 PM »
He may be correct, his pulling the alarm did nothing.. But.. the fact he couldn't navigate a hallway without pulling a fire alarm (taking him at his word) indicates to me that he is not ready for the job of governing America which is far more complex.  I'm 61 and never came close to pulling a fire alarm out of confusion.. and I don't feel qualified to be in congress

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2023, 12:27:31 PM »
Jamaal Bowman latest Democrat to be censured following false fire alarm incident

For all intents and purposes he should be in jail along with Talib

Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-NY) became the latest Democratic lawmaker to be censured by the House, this one over accusations the Squad member intentionally disrupted congressional proceedings by pulling a fire alarm earlier this year.

Lawmakers voted 214-191 to censure Bowman on Thursday, making him the third Democrat this year to be publicly condemned by the House. The resolution passed along party lines, with only three Democrats voting to censure Bowman: Reps. Jahana Hayes (D-CT), Chris Pappas (D-NH), and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (D-WA).

Another four Democrats voted "present" on the measure: Reps. Susan Wild (D-PA), Glenn Ivey (D-MD), Deborah Ross (D-NC), and Chrissy Houlahan (D-PA), who are all on the Ethics Committee. One Republican voted "present": Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD).

Shortly after the vote concluded, Bowman was directed to stand at the front of the House floor while Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) read aloud the charges against him. Aside from the public rebuke, no other disciplinary action is attached to the measure.

The censure is designed to punish Bowman for falsely pulling a fire alarm in a congressional office building on Sept. 30. Caught on security footage, Bowman claimed he yanked the alarm out of "confusion" when a door wouldn't open in his rush to get to the House floor to vote.

Bowman was charged criminally and reached a plea deal, agreeing to pay a $1,000 fine, write an apology letter to the Capitol Police, and serve three months of probation.

“This is a felony, plain and simple,” said Rep. Lisa McClain (R-MI), who introduced the resolution. “It’s not difficult to understand. Capitol Police was forced to waste resources investigating rather than doing their job to keep the Capitol safe … Realizing no number of excuses could get him out of this, Mr. Bowman pled guilty.”

Bowman pushed back against the effort to censure him over the incident, denouncing the resolution as a distraction from "governing the American people."

In no way did I obstruct official proceedings. The vote took place, and Democrats avoided a government shutdown,” Bowman said. “This is an insult to the people I was elected to represent. Instead of passing meaningful legislation, some Republicans are using this to waste our time and money and to make you forget about all of the rights they want to destroy."

Other Democrats decried the effort as well, accusing House Republicans of seeking to weaponize the historically rare form of punishment to undermine the credibility of the opposite party.

Censure resolutions have not been used frequently over the course of history, with only five members being censured in the last 40 years. Three of those have been in this year alone after the censures of Bowman as well as Reps. Adam Schiff (D-CA) and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) earlier this year.


The three resolutions mark the most censures to happen in the course of a year since 1870, when three other lawmakers were censured for selling military academy appointments.

Bowman's conduct was previously referred to the nonpartisan Ethics Committee, which decided last month not to open an investigation into the matter.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/jamaal-bowman-censured-over-false-fire-alarm-incident
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Re: Jaamal Bowman Censured for his “Insurrection”
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2023, 01:22:14 PM »
He may be correct, his pulling the alarm did nothing.. But.. the fact he couldn't navigate a hallway without pulling a fire alarm (taking him at his word) indicates to me that he is not ready for the job of governing America which is far more complex.  I'm 61 and never came close to pulling a fire alarm out of confusion.. and I don't feel qualified to be in congress

LOL! Jamaal Bowman's lame excuse does more harm than simply telling the truth would have. His lying or being that stupid raises the level of distrust people have in all elected officials. Never has it been so obvious to me how inept and ill-behaved some members of congress are. And it is not just Congress. Last spring, Republicans in the Oregon Senate ended a six-week walkout following reaching a deal on bills relating to abortion and guns. This is the latest in a series of legislative walkouts that the Republican party staged in recent years. Essentially, they walked off the job. In the private sector this action would get employees fired. Nine of folks who abandoned their responsibility were fined $325 for their unexcused absences beginning on June 5, 2023. The fines were likely waved as part of the 'deal.'

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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2023, 09:08:54 PM »
LOL! Jamaal Bowman's lame excuse does more harm than simply telling the truth would have. His lying or being that stupid raises the level of distrust people have in all elected officials. Never has it been so obvious to me how inept and ill-behaved some members of congress are. And it is not just Congress. Last spring, Republicans in the Oregon Senate ended a six-week walkout following reaching a deal on bills relating to abortion and guns. This is the latest in a series of legislative walkouts that the Republican party staged in recent years. Essentially, they walked off the job. In the private sector this action would get employees fired. Nine of folks who abandoned their responsibility were fined $325 for their unexcused absences beginning on June 5, 2023. The fines were likely waved as part of the 'deal.'

Agree. His excuse basically says "I was unable to navigate a hallway without violating at least 1 ordinance and perhaps a few others"

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2023, 08:25:16 AM »
LOL! Jamaal Bowman's lame excuse does more harm than simply telling the truth would have. His lying or being that stupid raises the level of distrust people have in all elected officials. Never has it been so obvious to me how inept and ill-behaved some members of congress are. And it is not just Congress. Last spring, Republicans in the Oregon Senate ended a six-week walkout following reaching a deal on bills relating to abortion and guns. This is the latest in a series of legislative walkouts that the Republican party staged in recent years. Essentially, they walked off the job. In the private sector this action would get employees fired. Nine of folks who abandoned their responsibility were fined $325 for their unexcused absences beginning on June 5, 2023. The fines were likely waved as part of the 'deal.'

You’re using that as a comparison? 🤦‍♂️

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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2023, 09:37:16 AM »
Agree. His excuse basically says "I was unable to navigate a hallway without violating at least 1 ordinance and perhaps a few others"


Good one, that actually made me chuckle.

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2023, 09:56:19 AM »
You’re using that as a comparison? 🤦‍♂️

It's a close to agreement as you're going to get.  He just needed to take a dig at the R's to offset it.

Either way, both "sides" are being logical and rational here.

We need more agreement in calling out bullshit when it's just that - bullshit.
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2023, 11:25:16 AM »
Jamaal Bowman latest Democrat to be censured following false fire alarm incident

For all intents and purposes he should be in jail along with Talib

Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-NY) became the latest Democratic lawmaker to be censured by the House, this one over accusations the Squad member intentionally disrupted congressional proceedings by pulling a fire alarm earlier this year.

Lawmakers voted 214-191 to censure Bowman on Thursday, making him the third Democrat this year to be publicly condemned by the House. The resolution passed along party lines, with only three Democrats voting to censure Bowman: Reps. Jahana Hayes (D-CT), Chris Pappas (D-NH), and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (D-WA).

Another four Democrats voted "present" on the measure: Reps. Susan Wild (D-PA), Glenn Ivey (D-MD), Deborah Ross (D-NC), and Chrissy Houlahan (D-PA), who are all on the Ethics Committee. One Republican voted "present": Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD).

Shortly after the vote concluded, Bowman was directed to stand at the front of the House floor while Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) read aloud the charges against him. Aside from the public rebuke, no other disciplinary action is attached to the measure.

The censure is designed to punish Bowman for falsely pulling a fire alarm in a congressional office building on Sept. 30. Caught on security footage, Bowman claimed he yanked the alarm out of "confusion" when a door wouldn't open in his rush to get to the House floor to vote.

Bowman was charged criminally and reached a plea deal, agreeing to pay a $1,000 fine, write an apology letter to the Capitol Police, and serve three months of probation.

“This is a felony, plain and simple,” said Rep. Lisa McClain (R-MI), who introduced the resolution. “It’s not difficult to understand. Capitol Police was forced to waste resources investigating rather than doing their job to keep the Capitol safe … Realizing no number of excuses could get him out of this, Mr. Bowman pled guilty.”

Bowman pushed back against the effort to censure him over the incident, denouncing the resolution as a distraction from "governing the American people."

In no way did I obstruct official proceedings. The vote took place, and Democrats avoided a government shutdown,” Bowman said. “This is an insult to the people I was elected to represent. Instead of passing meaningful legislation, some Republicans are using this to waste our time and money and to make you forget about all of the rights they want to destroy."

Other Democrats decried the effort as well, accusing House Republicans of seeking to weaponize the historically rare form of punishment to undermine the credibility of the opposite party.

Censure resolutions have not been used frequently over the course of history, with only five members being censured in the last 40 years. Three of those have been in this year alone after the censures of Bowman as well as Reps. Adam Schiff (D-CA) and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) earlier this year.


The three resolutions mark the most censures to happen in the course of a year since 1870, when three other lawmakers were censured for selling military academy appointments.

Bowman's conduct was previously referred to the nonpartisan Ethics Committee, which decided last month not to open an investigation into the matter.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/jamaal-bowman-censured-over-false-fire-alarm-incident

Please explain Coach as to how pulling a fire alarm amounts to an Insurrection???   You've been off the deep end lately
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2023, 03:22:02 PM »
You’re using that as a comparison? 🤦‍♂️

No, it was not a comparison. Both situations are examples of elected officials acting inappropriately.

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2023, 09:35:51 PM »
Please explain Coach as to how pulling a fire alarm amounts to an Insurrection???   You've been off the deep end lately

Going off the deep end would mean I couldn’t back anything I post. I have and do. But I digress.

That’s the point, Vince. It’s no more of an “insurrection” than January 6 and Rashida Talib leading 300 + Palestinians plus thousands more outside. I would argue that what she led in was worse than the fake January 6 narrative except without who she led in and were outside protesting weren’t tracked down across the country by Garlands Brownshirts and taken like political prisoners
 

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2023, 11:18:43 AM »
Going off the deep end would mean I couldn’t back anything I post. I have and do. But I digress.

That’s the point, Vince. It’s no more of an “insurrection” than January 6 and Rashida Talib leading 300 + Palestinians plus thousands more outside. I would argue that what she led in was worse than the fake January 6 narrative except without who she led in and were outside protesting weren’t tracked down across the country by Garlands Brownshirts and taken like political prisoners


An insurrection is a violent uprising against an authority or government which is what happenned on Jan 6th when they raided the Capitol Building to stop the certification of the votes.    What Rashida Talib did was called a protest, something that's part of the 1st Amendment that you are allowed to do.   Pulling a fire alarm...is just pulling a fire alarm

Stop being a fucking lemming, Coach.  You know the difference
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2023, 01:39:04 PM »

An insurrection is a violent uprising against an authority or government which is what happenned on Jan 6th when they raided the Capitol Building to stop the certification of the votes.    What Rashida Talib did was called a protest, something that's part of the 1st Amendment that you are allowed to do.   Pulling a fire alarm...is just pulling a fire alarm

Stop being a fucking lemming, Coach.  You know the difference

Was the BLM activity a protest or riot?
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2023, 06:00:57 AM »
Was the BLM activity a protest or riot?



You'll have to be specific but all i saw was just protests.  The riots were committed by Antifa who used a lot of their protests as cover to destroy property spraying Black Lives Matter everywhere. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2023, 06:49:27 AM »


You'll have to be specific but all i saw was just protests.  The riots were committed by Antifa who used a lot of their protests as cover to destroy property spraying Black Lives Matter everywhere.

Burning of police stations, shooting of security guard, etc.

All antifa?  All BLM innocent with no property damage?
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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2023, 07:42:10 AM »
Burning of police stations, shooting of security guard, etc.

All antifa?  All BLM innocent with no property damage?


A few coco's destroying shit doesn't speak for the organization no different then saying that all Trump supporters went and destroyed the Capitol Building
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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2023, 08:02:46 AM »

A few coco's destroying shit doesn't speak for the organization no different then saying that all Trump supporters went and destroyed the Capitol Building

Legit question - did BLM make official statements that Antifa was utilizing their gatherings as cover and giving them a bad name?

Could have been like "outside  a few of our cocos destroying shit, most of the damage was done by antifa mixing in with our fiery but mostly peaceful protests.  Please do not let this reflect poorly on our organizations.  Now excuse, me I have to take $6M of your donation money and close on my new house, followed by not giving an money to help actual black folks who need it".

I have not seen anything.
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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2023, 08:28:01 AM »
Legit question - did BLM make official statements that Antifa was utilizing their gatherings as cover and giving them a bad name?

Could have been like "outside  a few of our cocos destroying shit, most of the damage was done by antifa mixing in with our fiery but mostly peaceful protests.  Please do not let this reflect poorly on our organizations.  Now excuse, me I have to take $6M of your donation money and close on my new house, followed by not giving an money to help actual black folks who need it".

I have not seen anything.


They did make statements and beat up some of them at the protest.  But honestly I don't give a shit what BLM does.   
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2023, 09:03:34 AM »


You'll have to be specific but all i saw was just protests.  The riots were committed by Antifa who used a lot of their protests as cover to destroy property spraying Black Lives Matter everywhere.

Vince, I was in DC two days after the 2020 “riots” not far from the Capital were boarded up and some burned businesses and buildings. I’m sure Antifa was apart of it but “BLM” was tagged all over the city. This is disgusting in our Nations Capital since they literally and proudly call themselves Marxists…..


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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2023, 09:06:00 AM »
Vince, I was in DC two days after the 2020 “riots” not far from the Capital were boarded up and some burned businesses and buildings. I’m sure Antifa was apart of it but “BLM” was tagged all over the city. This is disgusting in our Nations Capital since they literally and proudly call themselves Marxists…..


That's right.  Antifa was tagging a bunch of places with BLM using the organization as cover for their activities.   There are practically no black people in Antifa.   
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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2023, 09:32:23 AM »

An insurrection is a violent uprising against an authority or government which is what happenned on Jan 6th when they raided the Capitol Building to stop the certification of the votes.    What Rashida Talib did was called a protest, something that's part of the 1st Amendment that you are allowed to do.   Pulling a fire alarm...is just pulling a fire alarm

Stop being a fucking lemming, Coach.  You know the difference

If January 6 was an insurrection, then why have none of the more than 1,000 who have been prosecuted been charged with insurrection?

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2023, 10:12:50 AM »
If January 6 was an insurrection, then why have none of the more than 1,000 who have been prosecuted been charged with insurrection?


The charge would be seditious conspiracy or sedition.  Only the Proud Boys have been convicted of that charge.    A lot of them have been charged with domestic terrorism.   Proving sedition is almost impossible to do without hard evidence and if the Feds didn't flip one of the Proud Boys, they would have got off scott free
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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2023, 10:16:45 AM »

The charge would be seditious conspiracy or sedition.  Only the Proud Boys have been convicted of that charge.    A lot of them have been charged with domestic terrorism.   Proving sedition is almost impossible to do without hard evidence and if the Feds didn't flip one of the Proud Boys, they would have got off scott free

The charge would be insurrection:  https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

If this was an insurrection, people would have been charged with insurrection. 

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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2023, 10:25:15 AM »
The charge would be insurrection:  https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

If this was an insurrection, people would have been charged with insurrection.


Sedition is a much more serious charge than insurrection according to that link you gave.   But I'm not a prosecutor so hell if I know but they wouldn't charge something that they couldn't get a conviction on
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2023, 10:28:36 AM »

Sedition is a much more serious charge than insurrection according to that link you gave.   But I'm not a prosecutor so hell if I know

I don't know which one is more serious, but that's not really the point.  People manipulate words and language to make political points.  This is one of those instances.  Democrats call January 6 an insurrection.  It wasn't an insurrection, but calling it one makes it sound much worse.