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Weird?  Not.  You like what you like and that is fair, but your view is clearly the weird one, to use your word.  Men do not routinely leave or cheat on their wives with even older women.  The appeal of a younger woman is obvious: good health/body, fertility, sex drive/curiosity, inexperienced/compliant, physical aesthetic (beauty, skin quality, etc).  18 is an arbitrary number and common in the West, but in some countries young women are most desirable from 15-25.

Even in BB publications we have seen references to (male) barely legal teen freaks as if to titillate the appetite of those who find especially young male bodies attractive.  ::)

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15 is in my opinion disgusting & what other countries do is not my concern but in the UK or USA we have age limits for a reason or don´t you agree..clearly you don´t.
This is why Pedos go to countries looking for young boys or girls.

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R. Kelly likes them young… Don’t all men like them young?  Has any man ever divorced his old wife to run off with an even older woman?  Or cheated on his old wife with an even older woman? ???

if you're a man and you don't like em young then you are either a liar or a fag no diss at you bay i love gay men frees up more females for me ;)

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epstien was a joo double agent according to my boy PJ Watson
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2024, 11:32:56 AM »
epstien was a joo double agent according to my boy PJ Watson - who didn't know that :D


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Re: epstien was a joo double agent according to my boy PJ Watson
« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2024, 11:50:36 AM »
Epstein is still alive and I don`t mean he`s hanging out with Elvis.

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Re: epstien was a joo double agent according to my boy PJ Watson
« Reply #55 on: January 04, 2024, 11:55:20 AM »
Epstein is still alive and I don`t mean he`s hanging out with Elvis.

Who's he hanging with? The Nazarene?
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Re: epstien was a joo double agent according to my boy PJ Watson
« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2024, 12:14:34 PM »
  he names of acquaintances and associates of wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein—including that of former U.S. presidents and British royalty—were released on Wednesday evening in a set of court documents that were part of a suit against Ghislaine Maxwell in 2015.

The documents, the first in more than 200 that are expected to be unsealed over the next few days, are part of the defamation lawsuit filed by victim Virginia Roberts Giuffre. Maxwell has previously called Giuffre a liar after she alleged that Epstein and Maxwell had abused her. (That case was eventually settled in 2017, but Maxwell was later sentenced to 20 years in prison for recruiting young girls for Epstein to sexually exploit in a criminal investigation of Epstein’s acts after his death.)



Names of figures that were previously associated with Epstein, such as Prince Andrew and former presidents Donald Trump and Bill Clinton, were mentioned in the court documents, but there was little new information outside of what was already known to the public. Some documents had previously been released in other court cases, while Epstein’s high-profile contacts have been covered extensively in the media.

In December, U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska ordered the documents to be released, though she gave people until Jan. 1 to appeal the order in case they did not want their name to be revealed. The names of victims who were minors when they suffered abuse were not released, though some have previously spoken out about Epstein’s actions in media interviews. 


Here’s what to know.

What the documents reveal
For the most part, the documents say little about the actions taken by individuals outside of Epstein, though there is a 2016 deposition from Johanna Sjoberg, one of Epstein’s victims, that mentions politicians and figureheads in the U.S. and abroad.


While celebrities like Bruce Willis, Cameron Diaz, Cate Blanchett, Kevin Spacey, Naomi Campbell, and Leonardo DiCaprio are also mentioned in the records, they have not been accused of helping Epstein in any capacity. Sjoberg was only asked if she had met the aforementioned people, which she denied.

Connections to Epstein previously led high-level executives to resign from their positions, including Barclays chief executive Jes Staley. Jean-Luc Brunel, a French modeling agent suspected of scouting girls for Epstein, killed himself in a Paris jail in 2022 while awaiting trial for rape accusations.


The documents on Wednesday confirmed the scale of both Epstein’s alleged sex-trafficking ring and his powerful social network. Prince Andrew—the younger brother of King Charles III—was one of the names referenced in the documents, mentioned by a witness for touching her breast.

Andrew was also previously accused of raping Giuffre when she was a teenager. After a lawsuit filed by Giuffre in 2021 and amid growing public pressure, Andrew was forced to relinquish his military titles and public duties—even as he repeatedly denied the allegations. The two settled the lawsuit in 2022 after Andrew paid Giuffre an undisclosed sum of money.

The case against Epstein
Jeffrey Epstein was a convicted sex offender who would lure young girls under the impression that they would be giving him massages that would then “become increasingly sexual in nature,” according to the 2019 indictment against him. Jennifer Araoz, one of the victims, said that Epstein would invite her to his house and pay her hundreds of dollars after her visit. While they initially spoke about her life and goals, he later became abusive, Araoz said.

Epstein had long avoided facing any consequences for his actions. He was first investigated for sexual misconduct in 2005 after a woman claimed that he had molested her teenage stepdaughter. Palm Beach police eventually charged Epstein with counts of unlawful sex with a minor in May 2006, but then State Attorney Barry Krischer sent the case to a grand jury, which indicted him with one count of soliciting prostitution. The charge was minor, leading to much criticism and causing the FBI to open a federal investigation against Epstein. But Epstein ended up serving a short 18-month sentence in 2008 for recruiting an underage girl for prostitution after he struck a plea deal with U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta to avoid being charged with any federal crimes. 


Epstein later came back under scrutiny in 2018, after the Miami Herald looked at Acosta’s role in negotiating a short sentence for Epstein. In July 2019, Epstein was arrested after federal prosecutors looked at his behavior between 2002 and 2005.

The case against him revealed that the victims, some as young as 14, were paid to provide sexual services to him and his friends, and to recruit other young girls to his circle of victims. Epstein’s employees would also sexually abuse the young girls.

He was facing charges for sex trafficking and conspiracy in July 2019 when one month later, he died by suicide in a New York federal jail. The investigation continued after his passing, leading prosecutors to convict Maxwell for sex crimes in connection to her dealing with Epstein.

Here are other names high-profile mentioned in the documents:

Bill Clinton
The former president was mentioned in the documents released on Wednesday, in Sjoberg’s testimony that Epstein had told her “Clinton likes them young, referring to girls.” She also said that she knew Epstein had “dealings” with Clinton but did not know they were friends until later media reports.

The former president’s ties with Epstein has long been the subject of media scrutiny—intensified in the wake of the financier’s indictment. The two had connected while Clinton was working on his nonprofit group the Clinton Foundation, and in 2002, they took a trip to Africa on Epstein’s private jet.


In 2019, Clinton’s office said that the former president did not know about Epstein’s “terrible crimes,” and that he had not spoken to Epstein in “well over a decade.” A spokesperson for Clinton told CNN on Wednesday that it has “been nearly 20 years since President Clinton last had contact with Epstein.”

Records show that Giuffre’s attorneys wanted to get a deposition from Clinton. Giuffre, the plaintiff in the defamation lawsuit against Maxwell, did not accuse the former president of doing anything with her, but attorneys saw Clinton as a “key person who can provide information about his close relationship with Defendant and Mr. Epstein and disapprove Ms. Maxwell’s claims.”

Donald Trump
The former president—whose relationship with Epstein was also widely reported—was also mentioned in Sjoberg’s 2016 deposition. Sjoberg testified that she and Epstein once made an impromptu stop in Atlantic City due to poor flying weather. Asked if she had given Trump a massage, Sjoberg said no. Trump once called Epstein a “terrific guy,” but later said he had a falling out with him. “I don’t think I’ve spoken to him for 15 years. I was not a fan of his,” Trump said in 2019.

Michael Jackson
Sjoberg recalled meeting late musician Michael Jackson at Epstein’s house in Palm Beach, but said no when asked if she had massaged him.


Sarah Kellen
Kellen, Epstein’s former assistant, was named in testimonies of victims detailing their encounters with Epstein. She was said to have helped schedule his “massages,” which his victims said was a euphemism for sexual services.

A judge had described Kellen as “a criminally responsible participant” in Epstein’s scheme.

But Kellen was never charged and has remained out of the public eye. Kellen said through a spokesperson in 2020 that she herself had been sexually and psychologically abused by Epstein for years.

Jean-Luc Brunel
Jean-Luc Brunel, a French modeling agent suspected of scouting girls for Epstein, killed himself in a Paris jail in 2022 while awaiting trial for rape accusations.

Giuffre said in her deposition that she was sent by Maxwell to have sex with Brunel “at many places.” The documents also say that Brunel would bring girls as young as twelve "to the United States for sexual purposes and farm them out to his friends,
especially Epstein."

Bill Richardson
Bill Richardson, the former governor of New Mexico who died in September, was also mentioned. Giuffre said in her deposition that Maxwell had instructed her to give Richardson a massage. In 2019, a spokesperson for Richardson denied he ever met Giuffre, according to Las Cruces Sun News.


Leslie Wexner
Leslie Wexner, the billionaire founder of L Brands (which owns Victoria's Secret and Bath & Body Works), was also mentioned in Maxwell’s deposition. When asked if she had ever provided Giuffre with “an outfit of a sexual nature to wear for Les Wexner,” Maxwell said “categorically no.”

Epstein was Wexner's money manager and a trustee of the Wexner Foundation During an L Brands investor conference in Sept. 2019, Wexner called Epstein's action "abhorrent." Wexner says he cut ties with Epstein in 2007.

Glenn Dubin
Hedge fund manager and billionaire Glenn Dubin was mentioned in the documents, with Giuffre testifying that “Ghislaine told me to go to Glenn Dubin and give him a massage, which means sex,” Giuffre said in her deposition..

Dubin has previously denied Giuffre’s allegations.

Dubin’s wife, Eva Andersson-Dubin, was also referenced in the unsealed documents. Maxwell said in her deposition that she was friends with Andersson-Dubin.

Alan Dershowitz
Alan Dershowitz, Epstein’s lawyer, was also mentioned in the newly-released records. The documents say that Epstein forced a minor to have sex with the former Harvard law professor multiple times. The documents also say that Dershowitz “was an eye-witness to the sexual abuse of many other minors by Epstein and several of Epstein’s co-conspirators.


Dershowitz would later play a significant role in negotiating the NPA on Epstein’s behalf.” NPA stands for non-prosecution agreement, which allowed Epstein to avoid serving a severe sentence when he was first charged with soliciting a minor for prostitution.

“Of course I’m on that list, I was his lawyer. I flew on his plane,” said Dershowitz in a Youtube livestream after the list came out.

Marvin Minsky
Computer scientist and former MIT professor Marvin Minsky was also mentioned in the documents. Giuffre said she was asked to have sex with Minsky when he went to Epstein’s island in the U.S. Virgin Islands.
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Re: epstien was a joo double agent according to my boy PJ Watson
« Reply #57 on: January 04, 2024, 01:01:25 PM »
Who's he hanging with? The Nazarene?
There`s no footage of his suicide........with his cash, and the connections he has,he`s somewhere out there IMO.

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Re: epstien was a joo double agent according to my boy PJ Watson
« Reply #58 on: January 04, 2024, 01:08:01 PM »
There`s no footage of his suicide........with his cash, and the connections he has,he`s somewhere out there IMO.

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Maybe he's hanging out with The Chieftess and The Mom who lost a Bet?
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Re: epstien was a joo double agent according to my boy PJ Watson
« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2024, 01:08:58 PM »
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Listen to the 3 part podcast by martyrmade on this subject.

He breaks it down and looks at it from the angle of "how could this be permitted" in modern society.  Then gives historic examples as to why.


Here's the ending of the 5 hours if anyone is interested:

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The final thing I'll say is all this talk in here about Israel, about Jewish American billionaires and Jewish American spies, I know that these things can be touchy topics in a way that talking about Russian American billionaires or Chinese American spies is not. So I will just say one last time we are not talking about any people in general or any ethnicities or even countries. We're talking about governments, and specifically about intelligence agencies. This isn't about Jews, it isn't even about Israel, and it's not even really about the Israeli government, or the American government for that matter, because 99.9% of even high ranking people in those governments have no idea when stuff like this goes on. This is about specific acts of tightly organized, highly secretive intelligence agencies. And so the final thing I'll say is that there is a reason, beyond government secrecy that someone like Jeffrey Epstein could get away with something like this for so long, and that is that he moved around in a slice of the world where people did not find what they were seeing particularly alarming. You and I might walk into a guy's house and find him surrounded by teenage girls who are not related to him and think it's a bit strange when he offers to have one of them give you a massage in the other room.

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But not Bill Clinton, not Alan Dershowitz, not a lot of people, apparently. We have a right to hold these people who wield so much power over us to higher standards. We find out Bill Gates is hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein, getting massages from girls. Okay, fine, maybe it was innocent. Whatever, go be a billionaire. But you're not sitting at the table deciding COVID policy in America. Oh, Bill Clinton, you got a massage on camera from one of Epstein's victims. Another victim claims that you abused cool. You know, he said, she said. Maybe you're guilty, maybe not. But no, sorry, you're not moving back into the White House because your wife wants to be President. If that's a problem, she should have divorced you back when you raped Juanita Broderick or hooked up with an 18 year old in the Oval Office. Folks, these people are not like you and me. And I think it is about time, at least in some very basic ways, like how we feel about sex with minors. For that to change you. Thanks for listening.

And on the "suicide"

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And after he served that easy sentence, it was right back to hanging with Bill Gates and Ahud Barack and living in his mansion and going to his private sex temple on his island. We're supposed to believe that he managed to commit suicide in a prison where nobody has committed suicide for decades? Two weeks after he was found unconscious with neck injuries on his floor, saying that his cellmate, a juiced up corrupt cop charged with multiple murder, quadruple murder, had assaulted him, which the jail apparently believed at least a bit, because they transferred him to another cell with a different cellmate in case it was a suicide attempt. The jail ordered that Epstein was required to always be with a cellmate and that the guards had to check in on him every 30 minutes. And on August 9, for reasons nobody can explain, his cellmate was removed from the cell. And then Oopsie, the two guards on duty fell asleep and failed to check on him for several hours. And then Epstein, who's 6ft tall, somehow managed to hang himself from the lower bunk of his bed and hanged himself with enough force to break four small bones in his neck that several forensic experts have said very rarely break when people are hanged, usually only by strangulation.

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And he hanged himself from the bottom bunk with enough force to break four rarely broken neck bones, but not with enough force to knock over the bottles, the small bottles and medicine containers standing upright on the rail of the top bunk when police took photos of the scene. In the immediate aftermath, the two surveillance cameras that were monitoring the outside of his cell, they malfunctioned. It's just the darndest thing. You know how technology is. And all this under the watch of a CIA connected attorney general whose dad wrote pulp Sci-Fi novels about planets, whose elites were engaged in mass scale sex slavery of the commoners, and who gave Epstein his very first job. And I don't know how much of that is relevant. I just know that for the official story to be true, all of it has to be irrelevant. And I think that's a bit of a stretch. Okay, guys, I'm sorry I took so long to get this out. This story makes me insane. I really have not wanted to think or talk about it, and hopefully I won't have to for a while. There is more to this story, there always is, but I am going to leave it here.
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Re: epstien was a joo double agent according to my boy PJ Watson
« Reply #60 on: January 04, 2024, 02:50:05 PM »
Repost from poli forum:

Listen to the 3 part podcast by martyrmade on this subject.

He breaks it down and looks at it from the angle of "how could this be permitted" in modern society.  Then gives historic examples as to why.


Here's the ending of the 5 hours if anyone is interested:

And on the "suicide"

Kwon is correct,he`s still alive and well and hanging out with The Chieftess and The Mom who lost a Bet.


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Re: epstien was a joo double agent according to my boy PJ Watson
« Reply #61 on: January 04, 2024, 03:11:10 PM »
Ever since I found out PJW is a pole smoker  IRL I stopped taking him seriously

Which sucks cuz he was one the legit early truthpillers on YT

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if you're a man and you don't like em young then you are either a liar or a fag no diss at you bay i love gay men frees up more females for me ;)

the smv of females is 18-23
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According to statistics, women’s sexual market value rises from their late teens until they reach a peak around the age of 23, after which it falls precipitously

https://relationshipsmdd.com/sexual-market-value/

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According to statistics, women’s sexual market value rises from their late teens until they reach a peak around the age of 23, after which it falls precipitously

https://relationshipsmdd.com/sexual-market-value/

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Re: Epstein - List is to be released - discussion and opinions
« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2024, 03:47:02 AM »
Any getbiggers on the list?

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15 is in my opinion disgusting & what other countries do is not my concern but in the UK or USA we have age limits for a reason or don´t you agree..clearly you don´t.
This is why Pedos go to countries looking for young boys or girls.

This.

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Re: Epstein - List is to be released - discussion and opinions
« Reply #67 on: January 05, 2024, 04:09:08 AM »
Any getbiggers on the list?

Apparently baygbm and dj181.

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Re: Epstein - List is to be released - discussion and opinions
« Reply #68 on: January 05, 2024, 04:21:02 AM »
Apparently baygbm and dj181.

Yes. My appetite for young girls is well established and proven.  ::)

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Re: Epstein - List is to be released - discussion and opinions
« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2024, 04:22:20 AM »
I prefer full-grown women myself.

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Re: Epstein - List is to be released - discussion and opinions
« Reply #70 on: January 05, 2024, 04:28:30 AM »
Fortress is gonna look into it.

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Re: Epstein - List is to be released - discussion and opinions
« Reply #71 on: January 05, 2024, 04:34:01 AM »
Apparently baygbm and dj181.

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Re: Epstein - List is to be released - discussion and opinions
« Reply #72 on: January 05, 2024, 04:52:13 AM »

They're shedding some layers of servants deemed no longer useful.
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Re: Epstein - List is to be released - discussion and opinions
« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2024, 05:52:01 AM »
Yes. My appetite for young girls is well established and proven.  ::)

I’m sure they could get young boys just as easy.

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Re: Epstein - List is to be released - discussion and opinions
« Reply #74 on: January 05, 2024, 05:53:10 AM »
They're shedding some layers of servants deemed no longer useful.

Exactly.