Glynn Simmons Exonerated After Spending 48 Years In Prison

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

This is pretty horrible to say the least.  He spent his entire life in prison.  Now he's 71 and dying of cancer and has to live on donations

They covered up the fact that he was not even in the state and was in Louisiana 🙄


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/12/20/glynn-simmons-oklahoma-prison-exonerated/71992287007/

[Rusty Trombone]

Well that sucks.

[beakdoctor]

Didn't read the article... but as often happens in these cases...

As the convict exhausts the appeals process and years and years and years go by....

D.A.'s go to other jurisdictions,  witnesses get tired of returning to court, or die, evidence gets destroyed or misplaced or moved. The people involved retired etc....

Then 50 years later the eye witness doesn't want to go to court again, the prosecutor doesn't have pertinent records or notes from the original prosecutor... etc etc.. so the case ultimately gets dismissed,  overturned, after 50 years of appeals..  and it's: look I'm innocent!!!

[wes]

A fucking shame and a travesty.

If the poor guy was healthy and a bit younger he could sue the living fuck out of them,but even money isnt enough compensation for years off of your life.

This happens all too often.

[wes]

Didn't read the article... but as often happens in these cases...

As the convict exhausts the appeals process and years and years and years go by....

D.A.'s go to other jurisdictions,  witnesses get tired of returning to court, or die, evidence gets destroyed or misplaced or moved. The people involved retired etc....

Then 50 years later the eye witness doesn't want to go to court again, the prosecutor doesn't have pertinent records or notes from the original prosecutor... etc etc.. so the case ultimately gets dismissed,  overturned, after 50 years of appeals..  and it's: look I'm innocent!!!

Very good points also doc.

[Irongrip400]

Didn't read the article... but as often happens in these cases...

As the convict exhausts the appeals process and years and years and years go by....

D.A.'s go to other jurisdictions,  witnesses get tired of returning to court, or die, evidence gets destroyed or misplaced or moved. The people involved retired etc....

Then 50 years later the eye witness doesn't want to go to court again, the prosecutor doesn't have pertinent records or notes from the original prosecutor... etc etc.. so the case ultimately gets dismissed,  overturned, after 50 years of appeals..  and it's: look I'm innocent!!!

Sounds logical, but is there a study to back it up? I realize that some of these wrongful convictions are just a matter of technicality but is it a vast majority of them?

[lightweight83]

This is pretty horrible to say the least.  He spent his entire life in prison.  Now he's 71 and dying of cancer and has to live on donations

They covered up the fact that he was not even in the state and was in Louisiana 🙄


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/12/20/glynn-simmons-oklahoma-prison-exonerated/71992287007/

It wouldn't be anything other than local news if he was white

[wes]

It wouldn't be anything other than local news if he was white

Very true!!

[wes]

Like I ALWAYS say sometimes......about a guy that has fucked me over bigtime......sooner or later he has to cross a street.

Whoops,my bad,didn`t see you there pally,sun got in my eyes.....you`ll be OK though..... once they fix the head trauma and the two broken legs !!

[Humble Narcissist]

These guys falsely accused must be so bitter. I'd be ready to go on a killing spree when I got out.

[beakdoctor]

Sounds logical, but is there a study to back it up? I realize that some of these wrongful convictions are just a matter of technicality but is it a vast majority of them?

What would you need a study for?

For example,  this case "they covered up the fact he wasn't even in the state". Well who's 'they' ? Do you mean to tell me he had the right to a trial and his defense attorney never brought up the fact that he was 'out of state'? Sounds like it took him 50 years to come up with an excuse that now can't be refuted due to the passage of time.

"They" covered it up. Well that's what you have an attorney for. You're looking at 50 years in the slammer and your attorney fails to represent you? Fails to bring up that you're not even in the state? And you’re OK with it? Nah. Bullshit. If that's the case then ol' Gail is too stupid to be among the free.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Didn't read the article... but as often happens in these cases...

As the convict exhausts the appeals process and years and years and years go by....

D.A.'s go to other jurisdictions,  witnesses get tired of returning to court, or die, evidence gets destroyed or misplaced or moved. The people involved retired etc....

Then 50 years later the eye witness doesn't want to go to court again, the prosecutor doesn't have pertinent records or notes from the original prosecutor... etc etc.. so the case ultimately gets dismissed,  overturned, after 50 years of appeals..  and it's: look I'm innocent!!!

The guy wasn't in the state and had witnesses to prove, that evidence along with other crucial pieces was supressed by the prosecutor.   Its called prosecutorial misconduct...look it up sometime.   He should have never been in prison

[chaos]

The guy wasn't in the state and had witnesses to prove, that evidence along with other crucial pieces was supressed by the prosecutor.   Its called prosecutorial misconduct...look it up sometime.   He should have never been in prison

What about his defense? Did his defense team suppress that as well? If that's the case then those other people should be held responsible for their actions.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

What about his defense? Did his defense team suppress that as well? If that's the case then those other people should be held responsible for their actions.

The prosecutor never turned over the evidence to the defense.   If the defense brought it up that he was in Louisana, the prosecutor would have objected for hearsay. The biggest thing was that the prosecutor never turned over the police report that said specifically that other eyewitnesses identified completely different people.   These prosecutors have done this many times so they know what to do to screw someone in court 

It really didn't matter because he obviously had a public defender and usually they are more interested in clearing their case files than actually doing anything for their clients not to mention that the public defender and prosecutor get their paychecks from the same place. 

But at this point, who are you going to punish??? Most of these people are dead or in nursing homes.   Prosecutors just want to win at any cost to keep their conviction record up for political aspirations.  For that, they will lie and cheat to win.


Even being out, he's basically on death row having cancer.  Because he was in prison all of his life, he has no savings or money, and is living on donations so he can't go out and travel and truly catch up on life.  Compensation is years away if he even gets it as I'm sure they will fight tooth and nail.   Just some sad shit

[Dave D]

The prosecutor never turned over the evidence to the defense.   If the defense brought it up that he was in Louisana, the prosecutor would have objected for hearsay. The biggest thing was that the prosecutor never turned over the police report that said specifically that other eyewitnesses identified completely different people.   These prosecutors have done this many times so they know what to do to screw someone in court 

It really didn't matter because he obviously had a public defender and usually they are more interested in clearing their case files than actually doing anything for their clients not to mention that the public defender and prosecutor get their paychecks from the same place. 

But at this point, who are you going to punish??? Most of these people are dead or in nursing homes.   Prosecutors just want to win at any cost to keep their conviction record up for political aspirations.  For that, they will lie and cheat to win.


Even being out, he's basically on death row having cancer.  Because he was in prison all of his life, he has no savings or money, and is living on donations so he can't go out and travel and truly catch up on life.  Compensation is years away if he even gets it as I'm sure they will fight tooth and nail.   Just some sad shit

In cases of false imprisonment I thought there was a minimum amount that is given to the victim immediately? Even though the actually settlement can take time.

[chaos]

The prosecutor never turned over the evidence to the defense.   If the defense brought it up that he was in Louisana, the prosecutor would have objected for hearsay. The biggest thing was that the prosecutor never turned over the police report that said specifically that other eyewitnesses identified completely different people.   These prosecutors have done this many times so they know what to do to screw someone in court 

It really didn't matter because he obviously had a public defender and usually they are more interested in clearing their case files than actually doing anything for their clients not to mention that the public defender and prosecutor get their paychecks from the same place. 

But at this point, who are you going to punish??? Most of these people are dead or in nursing homes.   Prosecutors just want to win at any cost to keep their conviction record up for political aspirations.  For that, they will lie and cheat to win.


Even being out, he's basically on death row having cancer.  Because he was in prison all of his life, he has no savings or money, and is living on donations so he can't go out and travel and truly catch up on life.  Compensation is years away if he even gets it as I'm sure they will fight tooth and nail.   Just some sad shit

If he spent all that time locked up as an innocent man, it's absolutely terrible. But why did he not tell his defense that he was out of state? Why didn't his defense follow up for proof? We're blaming the prosecutor but his public defender could have easily proven the same thing based off of him telling them where he was, right?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

If he spent all that time locked up as an innocent man, it's absolutely terrible. But why did he not tell his defense that he was out of state? Why didn't his defense follow up for proof? We're blaming the prosecutor but his public defender could have easily proven the same thing based off of him telling them where he was, right?

Without proof, its hearsay I suppose.   Wouldn't happen in this day and age of cameras and cell phones but not in the 1970's.  But yea, I would agree that his public defender was shitty but they usually are

[Royalty]

In 1969 Senator Ted Kennedy was driving drunk and drove his car into a bay... leaving the woman in the car behind to die. He saved himself. He went home and he didn’t report the incident until he was sober.

At that point I believe that someone already discovered the Senator’s car... and recovered the woman’s dead body.

How much prison time did Ted Kennedy serve??

[Tapeworm]

The prosecutor never turned over the evidence to the defense.   If the defense brought it up that he was in Louisana, the prosecutor would have objected for hearsay. The biggest thing was that the prosecutor never turned over the police report that said specifically that other eyewitnesses identified completely different people.   These prosecutors have done this many times so they know what to do to screw someone in court 

It really didn't matter because he obviously had a public defender and usually they are more interested in clearing their case files than actually doing anything for their clients not to mention that the public defender and prosecutor get their paychecks from the same place. 

But at this point, who are you going to punish??? Most of these people are dead or in nursing homes.   Prosecutors just want to win at any cost to keep their conviction record up for political aspirations.  For that, they will lie and cheat to win.


Even being out, he's basically on death row having cancer.  Because he was in prison all of his life, he has no savings or money, and is living on donations so he can't go out and travel and truly catch up on life.  Compensation is years away if he even gets it as I'm sure they will fight tooth and nail.   Just some sad shit

I get what you're saying. It's not about the specifics of how or when someone demonstrated or tried to or didn't try to show that he was elsewhere.

You're pointing to perverse incentives which are inherent to the system and which corrupt the operation of the system such that it produces outcomes contrary to the reason you're told it exists. To produce justice.

So my question to you is:
Do you think just maybe this isn't specific to prosecutors and public defenders? Do we see it in war policy, public health, economic and social engineering, etc?

[BEEFCAKE]

all black people should be put into jail upon birth, i say send him back

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I get what you're saying. It's not about the specifics of how or when someone demonstrated or tried to or didn't try to show that he was elsewhere.

You're pointing to perverse incentives which are inherent to the system and which corrupt the operation of the system such that it produces outcomes contrary to the reason you're told it exists. To produce justice.

So my question to you is:
Do you think just maybe this isn't specific to prosecutors and public defenders? Do we see it in war policy, public health, economic and social engineering, etc?

I think its political.  These prosecutors do anything not to lose these cases even if the person is likely innocent of the charges.  If you ask him, he's not going to give a shit.   The ironic thing is that he would have gotten treatment for cancer in prison...now that he's out, he has to solict donations.

[Tapeworm]

I think its political.  These prosecutors do anything not to lose these cases even if the person is likely innocent of the charges.  If you ask him, he's not going to give a shit.   The ironic thing is that he would have gotten treatment for cancer in prison...now that he's out, he has to solict donations.

For what it's worth, I agree innocent people shouldn't be thrown in jail for 50 years. Not exactly a controversial stance, except for in this thread.

I don't agree anyone should get free health care. It's not a right. It's a service like any other, and when it's run by government you get crappy service and sky high costs, as well as perverse incentives for administrators and customers.

[Humble Narcissist]

I think its political.  These prosecutors do anything not to lose these cases even if the person is likely innocent of the charges.  If you ask him, he's not going to give a shit.   The ironic thing is that he would have gotten treatment for cancer in prison...now that he's out, he has to solict donations.

That's a major problem with the criminal justice system. All these guys care about is winning. Prosecutors build their careers by locking guys up and it leads to becoming judges or politicians. Defense attorneys who win often charge a lot more money and become rich.

Watching shows like Forensic Files, American Justice and the like shows how prosecutors and the police never admit when they are wrong even if DNA evidence clears a guy who has been unjustly locked up for years.

[Tapeworm]

Throw in a few BJs and it could get someone all the way to the Vice Presidency.

[ProudVirgin69]

If he spent all that time locked up as an innocent man, it's absolutely terrible. But why did he not tell his defense that he was out of state? Why didn't his defense follow up for proof? We're blaming the prosecutor but his public defender could have easily proven the same thing based off of him telling them where he was, right?

Are you really surprised that a black man in Louisiana in 1970 experienced a gross miscarriage of justice??