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they preach lower overall anabolic load and using many diff growth pathways

but they still preach using 2-3 grams a week, WTF ??? ??? ???


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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2024, 04:55:25 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2024, 04:58:19 AM »
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you can be sure vic black rubs blowsfit in the wrong way

yeah he is kind of an arrogant douche but so am i so i can relate :D :D :D


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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2024, 06:23:50 AM »
I have an old doo rag I  wear to the gym at times to cover my dome if it`s cold outside....on it it says, "FOLLOW NO ONE" !!

I suggest you do the same homie.

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2024, 06:28:43 AM »
You forgot John Meadows and Dante. So healthy they constantly spoke of doctors and blood tests and had to announce lab values publicly. “Yo guys, I went to the doc. All is good!”

I once said my IFBB pro friend, “You keep going to the doctor? Face it: there’s no healthy way to do this! What healthy person or even someone who feels healthy keeps going to doctors?”

There is no healthy way to do roid and every roid-using friend or acquaintance I know has a problem. Yes, every!

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2024, 06:30:39 AM »
Cut down from 3 packs of cigarettes a day to 2 packs.

You'll be so much more healthy.

Your lung cancer and/or emphysema will be much less severe.

You'll cut the size of your oxygen tank in half by 1/3.


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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2024, 07:04:02 AM »
You forgot John Meadows and Dante. So healthy they constantly spoke of doctors and blood tests and had to announce lab values publicly. “Yo guys, I went to the doc. All is good!”

I once said my IFBB pro friend, “You keep going to the doctor? Face it: there’s no healthy way to do this! What healthy person or even someone who feels healthy keeps going to doctors?”

There is no healthy way to do roid and every roid-using friend or acquaintance I know has a problem. Yes, every!

good point

i dont get why they take so much fucking shit you don't need more that 500 mgs total

fuck 2-3 grams

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2024, 07:13:13 AM »
I have an old doo rag I  wear to the gym at times to cover my dome if it`s cold outside....on it it says, "FOLLOW NO ONE" !!

I suggest you do the same homie.

i'm stubborn as FUCK!!!! so i follow no one but... i want to learn the FUCKING TRUTH!!!

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2024, 09:20:49 AM »
Isn't there what is termed an "effective dose" that these people should be following?

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2024, 09:47:56 AM »
It’s refreshing to hear that these guys practice safe sex on each other

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2024, 09:52:29 AM »
DJ181 needs another man to tell him what to do at all times.

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2024, 01:03:04 PM »
You forgot John Meadows and Dante. So healthy they constantly spoke of doctors and blood tests and had to announce lab values publicly. “Yo guys, I went to the doc. All is good!”

I once said my IFBB pro friend, “You keep going to the doctor? Face it: there’s no healthy way to do this! What healthy person or even someone who feels healthy keeps going to doctors?”

There is no healthy way to do roid and every roid-using friend or acquaintance I know has a problem. Yes, every!

Casey Viator tried to convince me he was in perfect health because of his "perfect" blood tests. At the time he looked like a bloated mess. He was dead around two years later. Rest in peace.

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2024, 01:27:58 PM »
"Safer use"

"2-3 grams a week"



If 2-3 grams is now called "safer use", what is considered a crazy cycle these days? 10+ grams?


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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2024, 02:35:12 PM »
"Safer use"

"2-3 grams a week"



If 2-3 grams is now called "safer use", what is considered a crazy cycle these days? 10+ grams?


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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2024, 03:03:34 PM »
"Safer use"

"2-3 grams a week"



If 2-3 grams is now called "safer use", what is considered a crazy cycle these days? 10+ grams?


ESFitness called 6 grams "the sweet spot"........fucking imbecile!

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2024, 03:21:05 PM »
ESFitness called 6 grams "the sweet spot"........fucking imbecile!

We Getbiggers don’t take kindly to disrespect from other Getbiggers to another Getbigger.

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2024, 03:24:44 PM »
i'm stubborn as FUCK!!!! so i follow no one but... i want to learn the FUCKING TRUTH!!!

The truth is these high level BBer's take massive amounts of AAS/GH/Slin for years on end.

2-3 grams is the price of admission in BBing. Not that much at all.

There is no secret stack, but certain drugs have better synergy with others. None of which are going to turn you into Ronnie Coleman.

These "podcast" bros are just making things complicated to get likes/followers. The same way you have these fitness gurus with millions of followers who preach stupid rotations and "special" exercises.

At the end of it all, it's very raw and simple. Lots of drugs and food for 10+ years. Training is third in line. A lot of these guys barely have two braincells to rub together. Take away the drugs and all of them are 180 pounds.

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2024, 03:31:22 PM »
We Getbiggers don’t take kindly to disrespect from other Getbiggers to another Getbigger.
Bone,did you see the pics of that idiots legs.................the guy is  a mess......some of the grossest shit I ever saw.

Hey I use gear but I don`t shoot buckets of the shit at a time............I have no hate towards the guy as before........after seeing those pics all I have for him is pity.

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2024, 04:10:41 PM »
"Safer use"

"2-3 grams a week"



If 2-3 grams is now called "safer use", what is considered a crazy cycle these days? 10+ grams?

they focus on a test base as much as you can handle without needing an ai which they say is generally 300 mgs and then take the "safer" ones ie. mast and primo=safest and then var and deca=fairly safe and take low doses or the harsh ones=tren and drol

i absolutley hate shittyass mast does dickola for me and never ran primo, var, deca, tren and drol all work very well for me and are my gotos also dbol, winny is in the same boat as mast pour moi hate that shittyass compound >:(

thing is both mast and primo lower estro and you need estro for health and growth tank it and you are fucked

so if you blast mast or primo you need more test to keep estro in range but for some reason these fellas just kinda gloss over this ???

wes' buddy :D big vig steve says mast is a shitty suckass muscle builder and he is correcto-mundo




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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2024, 04:49:55 PM »
Casey Viator tried to convince me he was in perfect health because of his "perfect" blood tests. At the time he looked like a bloated mess. He was dead around two years later. Rest in peace.

Most of these guys are huge copers.

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2024, 02:44:52 PM »
Never did PCT in my life.......probably cause I wasn`t relying on a boatload of shit.

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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2024, 02:03:27 AM »
Isn't there what is termed an "effective dose" that these people should be following?

Yes, you touched on an important point. I always argue that yes, there are guidelines, and people are similar even if differences obviously exist. I say you can take a look at what bodybuilders do on average, how doses differ between weight classes and get a fairly good idea wha a given level of muscularity corresponds to approximatately dosage wise.
A top light heavy will typically be between 2-3 grams. That is close to maxing out steroid effects. More can work a bit better but there's obviously diminishing returns as everyone can intuit. The craziest specimens we've seen have hit 5 grams or even more (10 grams!) You know the Nassers and freaks that came after like I believe Nick Walker. In Nassers era almost no one took blood pressure medication and I believe high BP is a large part of what causes damage in bodybuilders. Nowadays most everyone is on BP meds and it remains to be seen how it plays out in the furure. I saw where Fouad said he didn'teven understand that one could take BP meds and still be a bodybuilder. They thought those drugs are for sick people exclusively. But they can be used profylactically. One heart journal argued recently a systolic reading of 100-110 is optimal. Go beyond and you can accumulate damage over time, steroids or not. My docs always said less than 140 was fine. But I feel BP is major in preventing CV damage. Some of the BP drugs have been demonstrated to reduce the thickening of the left ventricle so it makes sense to start BP control from the first day you start steroids. And heart scans would be valublable to catch problems before they get out of control. I did none of that, mistly because docs don't go for it here, they can't legally assist drug abuse.

Now many use telmisartan, a beta blocker and metformin for insulin sensitivity (another probably important marker in the long run). Most every coach demands blood work, though you could argue most of them don't understand how to interpret it. It's also illegal for the coach, he isn't a doctor.

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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2024, 02:11:34 AM »
Never did PCT in my life.......probably cause I wasn`t relying on a boatload of shit.

A PCT may work yet still not work. What it means is that the drugs may stimulate test production while taking them but it doesn't mean much for long term recovery. Guys just go down to HRT levels if they feel their push phases likely cause damage and they need recovery time. It's logical. OTOH, it might be possible to design cycles that you can stay on for the duration of your career without havibg to yo-yo doses. But typically guys who compete push a little too close for comfort pre-contest so they "need" off time. But a cyclical cycle design might not be necessary in theory.

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Re: anyone follow the safer use guys? ie. vic black, joe jeffery etc?
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2024, 03:19:55 AM »
Never did PCT in my life.......probably cause I wasn`t relying on a boatload of shit.


mental sides from PCT  are worse than gear...

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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2024, 08:58:47 AM »
Yes, you touched on an important point. I always argue that yes, there are guidelines, and people are similar even if differences obviously exist. I say you can take a look at what bodybuilders do on average, how doses differ between weight classes and get a fairly good idea wha a given level of muscularity corresponds to approximatately dosage wise.
A top light heavy will typically be between 2-3 grams. That is close to maxing out steroid effects. More can work a bit better but there's obviously diminishing returns as everyone can intuit. The craziest specimens we've seen have hit 5 grams or even more (10 grams!) You know the Nassers and freaks that came after like I believe Nick Walker. In Nassers era almost no one took blood pressure medication and I believe high BP is a large part of what causes damage in bodybuilders. Nowadays most everyone is on BP meds and it remains to be seen how it plays out in the furure. I saw where Fouad said he didn'teven understand that one could take BP meds and still be a bodybuilder. They thought those drugs are for sick people exclusively. But they can be used profylactically. One heart journal argued recently a systolic reading of 100-110 is optimal. Go beyond and you can accumulate damage over time, steroids or not. My docs always said less than 140 was fine. But I feel BP is major in preventing CV damage. Some of the BP drugs have been demonstrated to reduce the thickening of the left ventricle so it makes sense to start BP control from the first day you start steroids. And heart scans would be valublable to catch problems before they get out of control. I did none of that, mistly because docs don't go for it here, they can't legally assist drug abuse.

Now many use telmisartan, a beta blocker and metformin for insulin sensitivity (another probably important marker in the long run). Most every coach demands blood work, though you could argue most of them don't understand how to interpret it. It's also illegal for the coach, he isn't a doctor.

light heavies at 90 kg need 2-3 grams?