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How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« on: February 01, 2024, 06:41:55 PM »
I know a few guys who were in the military.  They all get kind of teary eyed and choked up when something military comes on tv or whatever.  To my knowledge they all had jobs that weren't combat related.  One guy was a cook, another was a mechanic.  I just wonder if they have things built up in their minds or if when soldiers get sent to the middle east they all at some point have to go out and actually battle it out with the enemy.  One guy told me that 90% of military personnel never actually leave the base.  Is that true?  What are the opinions of the navy seals we have posting here at getbig?

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2024, 08:37:29 PM »
Very few see combat. A few hear gunfire or explosions even less actually see gunfire. It's a low percentage who actually fire a shot in anger.

Those that have don't need to talk about it. If it comes up they're usually matter of fact about it, unless it was a fucking bloodbath.

Those that haven't,  get teary eyed at the first opportunity to give the impression that they've been knee deep in the shit. Those that haven't are the most eager to be "affected" by it. Wanna be rambo's.

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2024, 08:43:43 PM »
Very few see combat. A few hear gunfire or explosions even less actually see gunfire. It's a low percentage who actually fire a shot in anger.

Those that have don't need to talk about it. If it comes up they're usually matter of fact about it, unless it was a fucking bloodbath.

Those that haven't,  get teary eyed at the first opportunity to give the impression that they've been knee deep in the shit. Those that haven't are the most eager to be "affected" by it. Wanna be rambo's.

Yup.

One of my best friends was one of the first men in at Fallujah as 1st Marine Unit.

Watched almost every man get killed he met on that mission.

Never spoke about it.

Shot himself 10 years ago, i didn't hear the stories until his widow told us.

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2024, 10:05:24 PM »

Those that haven't,  get teary eyed at the first opportunity to give the impression that they've been knee deep in the shit. Those that haven't are the most eager to be "affected" by it. Wanna be rambo's.

It's a lot more stressful to be in a sinking ship than floating around on a surfboard. You're not near the water but you never know when the ship is going under.

My friend's kill count was high enough in one battle that it literally counted as a war crime, he broke the rules of engagement mowed down a ton of people. 

He got shot multiple times etc, said it was just more or less fun in the moment.

The shit that fucked him up was when the adrenaline wasn't kicking, the trying to sleep at 2 pm in the afternoon etc that really messed him up. When you're high as a kite it's easy, it's when you come down and need to do basic shit like take a piss etc that the real stress kicks in.

Turns out killing is really really fun. Your body produces crazy amounts of dopamine/cortisol in combat. So it's like doing mountains of blow continuously. When you don't get the buzz and have to deal with the risk of dying it's a whole different story.








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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2024, 10:49:06 PM »
It's a lot more stressful to be in a sinking ship than floating around on a surfboard. You're not near the water but you never know when the ship is going under.

My friend's kill count was high enough in one battle that it literally counted as a war crime, he broke the rules of engagement mowed down a ton of people. 

He got shot multiple times etc, said it was just more or less fun in the moment.

The shit that fucked him up was when the adrenaline wasn't kicking, the trying to sleep at 2 pm in the afternoon etc that really messed him up. When you're high as a kite it's easy, it's when you come down and need to do basic shit like take a piss etc that the real stress kicks in.

Turns out killing is really really fun. Your body produces crazy amounts of dopamine/cortisol in combat. So it's like doing mountains of blow continuously. When you don't get the buzz and have to deal with the risk of dying it's a whole different story.

Those levels of adrenaline are addictive. When your killin' days are over nothing gives you the same 'thrill'


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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2024, 12:51:45 AM »
Most military men are not in combat arms. Support troops are also the ones with the most war stories.

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2024, 01:24:01 AM »


Go onnnnn...

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2024, 04:59:18 AM »
Most don't see combat.

The majority are in support roles which are important but not glamorous.

Some find time to stand around burn pits and inhale fumes when not being JAG lawyers.

A few fly fighter jets in Texas which can be very dangerous because Mexicans might shoot at you.

Some ex-military make up stories about how they killed lots of the enemy when all they did was march around in Kansas and clean toilets.

Then you have those that were never in the military but lie and say they were Navy Seals.

Lots of Purple Hearts were awarded in Vietnam for stubbed toes.

All play a necessary role in defending our country and spreading Democracy.

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2024, 05:01:10 AM »
Those levels of adrenaline are addictive. When your killin' days are over nothing gives you the same 'thrill'



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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2024, 05:19:17 AM »
40% never see combat, they're stateside, on friendly military bases, etc.... Of the 60% headed to combat, only about 20% will actually see frontline action. Also historically only 15-20% of those that see action will have the willingness to kill. That last stat is from the WWII and Vietnam periods.


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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2024, 05:19:35 AM »

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2024, 05:45:14 AM »
40% never see combat, they're stateside, on friendly military bases, etc.... Of the 60% headed to combat, only about 20% will actually see frontline action. Also historically only 15-20% of those that see action will have the willingness to kill. That last stat is from the WWII and Vietnam periods.

From my understanding the military has drills to have soldiers get over the fear of killing.

And yeah, it’s under 10% for seeing actual combat. The guys I know who were in the service have more stories about drinking than anything else.

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2024, 05:46:09 AM »
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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2024, 07:45:22 AM »
Not even wearing the thong onstage?

That's the fiercest form of battle. Not for the faint of heart.

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2024, 07:56:27 AM »
40% never see combat, they're stateside, on friendly military bases, etc.... Of the 60% headed to combat, only about 20% will actually see frontline action. Also historically only 15-20% of those that see action will have the willingness to kill. That last stat is from the WWII and Vietnam periods.

Read the book "Ordinary men", that last stat is way off
(also documentry on Netflix)

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2024, 08:26:13 AM »
Read the book "Ordinary men", that last stat is way off
(also documentry on Netflix)

There was/is some debate about it here in the States. E.G. - Aimed direct fire versus wild firing. Also the stats do go up a decent if the order to fire comes directly from a commander vs just stumbling upon the enemy.

I have that book, I will give it a read.

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2024, 08:44:38 AM »
There was/is some debate about it here in the States. E.G. - Aimed direct fire versus wild firing. Also the stats do go up a decent if the order to fire comes directly from a commander vs just stumbling upon the enemy.

I have that book, I will give it a read.
will give you a new outlook on people

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2024, 08:59:01 AM »
I hope this thread isn't a dig at the military. It's a big machine and everyone plays a role. If they tell you you're a truck driver you do that MOS. All the cogs in the machine make it run.

Look at Doris Miller during Pearl Harbor. He was a cook and when the attack happen he wasn't even trained on a anti aircraft machine gun.  Everyone dying around him he grabbed the gun and started knocking planes out of the sky. When the ammo ran out he carried the wounded to safety.

Look at a Combat medics. They are not allowed to engage the enemy unless shot at. In Afghanistan they all carried a pistol and an M4 into the battle with the infantry.

All soldiers from cooks, truck drivers, engineers and all the rest are combat trained and if called will fight.

I remember an Army Ranger saying every week his team was raiding houses in Iraq. Sometimes many times a day. On one raid two of his team members were killed searching a house. Some elite units get a lot of press, movies and awe when the grunts like the Army Ranger was doing the job day in and day out.




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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2024, 09:23:30 AM »
I hope this thread isn't a dig at the military. It's a big machine and everyone plays a role. If they tell you you're a truck driver you do that MOS. All the cogs in the machine make it run.

Look at Doris Miller during Pearl Harbor. He was a cook and when the attack happen he wasn't even trained on a anti aircraft machine gun.  Everyone dying around him he grabbed the gun and started knocking planes out of the sky. When the ammo ran out he carried the wounded to safety.

Look at a Combat medics. They are not allowed to engage the enemy unless shot at. In Afghanistan they all carried a pistol and an M4 into the battle with the infantry.

All soldiers from cooks, truck drivers, engineers and all the rest are combat trained and if called will fight.

I remember an Army Ranger saying every week his team was raiding houses in Iraq. Sometimes many times a day. On one raid two of his team members were killed searching a house. Some elite units get a lot of press, movies and awe when the grunts like the Army Ranger was doing the job day in and day out.

Maybe you should become a recruiter:

U.S. military sees record breaking low recruitment numbers | WAVY.com

https://www.wavy.com/news/military/u-s-military-sees-record-breaking-low-recruitment-numbers/

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2024, 09:41:04 AM »

All soldiers from cooks, truck drivers, engineers and all the rest are combat trained and if called will fight.


There used to be a commonly used phrased called "operational exhaustion" it's a more accurate description of the more common forms of service ptsd.

Some people are trained to kill people, guys like cooks and truck drivers are trained not to get killed.

When your job is killing, you're just waiting for your chance to start killing people. So basically all of our stress hormone is produced and released while in combat.

When you're a cook, your job 24/7 every waking moment of your job is to anticipate someone trying to kill you. This means you have a constant never ending drip of cortisol/stress hormones, never high enough to be enjoyable but high enough that it completely destroys your nervous system. Not only do you constantly worry about it, you have to make decisions based on when you might get killed. I.e. maybe you gotta take a ride in a humvee to get some goat from some villager. You have to decide between giving the boys a treat and getting killed by an IED. It's that constantly having to weigh every trivial decision against your own life that is just toxic for your nervous system. Stress hormones cause neuroplasticity, stress causes you to learn the correct way of doing things for your own survival. It's straight forward if your job is to hold a gun, you're in war mode when you pull the tricker/hear gunfire etc. When you're a cook you're in war mode driving your minivan to a costco to pick up some hambourgers, you can never turn it off when in Iraq and you can never turn it off in American. Not holding a gun means you lack an on off switch.

There's the myth that the brave people join the infantry vice versa and that's why they aren't effected. It's entirely because of the neurological differences between being predator and prey, it's the nature of what job you're assigned.

Keeping in mind a lot of killers don't seek help because it's not common knowledge that killing is a ton of fun. The media manufactures this narrative that it's all just reluctant combat that is totally unenjoyable unless you're a psychopath.



I hope this thread isn't a dig at the military. It's a big machine and everyone plays a role.

What gets me is this idea you need to be a rambo to get respect. The point is they actually served the country doing garbage jobs. They volunteered to do so. You never know when you sign up if you'll spend half your career getting shot at, or spending your days trapped in the desert sleeping in a tent, because your idiot president's son made some corrupt deal with an oil contractor etc. You go where you're told regardless of circumstances.

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2024, 09:45:39 AM »
Maybe you should become a recruiter:

U.S. military sees record breaking low recruitment numbers | WAVY.com

https://www.wavy.com/news/military/u-s-military-sees-record-breaking-low-recruitment-numbers/
The fucking absurd part is that they want it both ways. We're all just republican fascist, yet there's never been a generation of conservatives more anti military than now. Fascism is a variant of militarism.

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2024, 09:45:52 AM »
They all come closer than the guys who never enlisted

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2024, 10:59:07 AM »
They all come closer than the guys who never enlisted

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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2024, 02:25:00 PM »
Bhanky was lugging a heavy mortar around the mountains of Iraq on his wrecked knees using a cane for support.


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Re: How many soldiers in the military see combat?
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2024, 02:33:13 PM »
Depends how many get on the bodybuilding stage