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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2024, 05:59:54 AM »
I know guys who went as high as 6000mg of combined AAS for extended periods of time, just oils.

The strongest guy i ever trained with took 4000mg of Test E for over 2 years when he was competing in strongman, with some orals mixed in during contests. Rotated between E, C and Sust. Said the other AAS gave him bad sides and thick blood.

He's still alive today with 3 kids and no health problems that i know of but hasn't been on gear in 10+ years.

I know another guy who melted his kidneys taking Test/Tren non-stop for over 14 years. Ended up having one kidney removed. Still on HRT and looks pretty damn big today at 48 years old.

Taking 10g's a week does not seem out of the realm of possibility.

These guys are mentally ill and will do anything.

Yes, I agree.  Still, it’s easy for naysayers to discount and dismiss anecdotes like these with “well if they have to take that much they weren’t cut out to be bodybuilders”, etc

Hard data like this is still open to interpretation but cannot be dismissed out of hand.  For as big a revelation as this was, it is severely underreported within bodybuilding.

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2024, 06:01:11 AM »
Yes, the mind boggles when considering the logistics of such dosages.  No wonder these guys are addicted to opiates, the constant post injection pain must be near-crippling

Nah its not that bad - just got imagine yourself as a human pin cushion
Also get a 10ml syringe  ;D

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2024, 06:13:40 AM »
Drug levels after death are often much higher than when alive. For example, with testosterone, it is often injected into muscle, where it forms a bolus that slowly releases into the system. As it releases slowly into the system, the liver and kidneys deactivate it and excrete it at a certain rate, this causes the testosterone to maintain a stable level.

After you die, your liver and kidneys stop working and you stop excreting the testosterone out of your body. But the bolus of testosterone in the muscle is continuously leeching into the body and building up to very high levels after death, with no way of being removed. This is why after death the levels can be much higher than what was available when alive.

Basically, you can't draw any conclusions from the results apart from that his blood levels when alive would have been much lower than after death.

In your photo it shows he tested negative to a plethora of other popular anabolic steroids.

You bring up a valid point.  I skimmed over some of the literature and didn’t fin anything specific to exogenous testosterone.  The study you cite is based primarily on forensic chemicals of interest, ie: narcotics, poisons, etc.  this one:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3413259/#R7

Focuses on THC, which I picked because it is primarily stored within the fat deposits in the body, similar to injectable test.  While they point out that chemicals with greater lipid solubility tend to redistribute themselves to a greater deagree than chemicals with lower lipid solubility, THC didn’t redistribute itself as much as this would predict.

Looks like the definitive guide is this book:


Which I’ll have to review next time I’m at the local research university



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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2024, 06:36:31 AM »
I am going to agree we can't extrapolate dosage based on an autopsy.

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2024, 07:34:06 AM »
I bow to your knowledge in this area, but the only other things released to the public on his tox screen were THC and Tren

Wait a minute, does this not say "trenbolone metabolite POSITIVE"?

I don't see THC there but I saw several accounts of him "smoking ALL DAY."" Not that it would be any revelation or controversial, many say MOST pro bodybuilders smoke weed. Just curious if it showed. My buddy said the whole of California stank of weed, the smell was everywhere. He said most bbers at FIBO and the US smoked. It's a pretty innocuous way to handle tren sides but many use sleepping pills and anti-anxiety medication too, at least in prep. This way you can take a couple of grams of tren and "tolerate" it. I know from personal experience too, not that I ever hit 2 grams. I don't know if people take that into account, when they say your tren must be fake if you can take that
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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2024, 07:44:26 AM »
Yes, the mind boggles when considering the logistics of such dosages.  No wonder these guys are addicted to opiates, the constant post injection pain must be near-crippling

Pain from injections is individual. Recently an experienced juicer gave me 5 bottles of Test E because it was so painful. I put 5ml into my thigh and could just barely tell I had injected there. So 25ml a week would be easy for me, and I guess 50ml would be doable too. One friend said he was chatting with a pro bb and during their chat the pro did 5 × 5ml shots. The guy was at 9 grams total at his peak. I do remember as a teen just 1ml of Sust was really painful.

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2024, 08:58:11 AM »
Pain from injections is individual. Recently an experienced juicer gave me 5 bottles of Test E because it was so painful. I put 5ml into my thigh and could just barely tell I had injected there. So 25ml a week would be easy for me, and I guess 50ml would be doable too. One friend said he was chatting with a pro bb and during their chat the pro did 5 × 5ml shots. The guy was at 9 grams total at his peak. I do remember as a teen just 1ml of Sust was really painful.

The thing is diminishing returns at a certain point is it worth an extra jab for not much more gains? And you can also only grow so fast the body can't put on unlimited size per day you are going to be restricted by things like calorie consumption and digestion. I feel best at a moderate dosage I eat more and I train more. When you take too much you don't feel good you don't eat as much and you don't train as much because you don't feel as good. Also none of us are trying to be Mr Olympia at 50ish 1-2 shots a week 1-2cc is way more than enough for any of us.

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2024, 09:22:40 AM »
I am going to agree we can't extrapolate dosage based on an autopsy.


Thanks doc.

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2024, 09:46:18 AM »
The thing is diminishing returns at a certain point is it worth an extra jab for not much more gains? And you can also only grow so fast the body can't put on unlimited size per day you are going to be restricted by things like calorie consumption and digestion. I feel best at a moderate dosage I eat more and I train more. When you take too much you don't feel good you don't eat as much and you don't train as much because you don't feel as good. Also none of us are trying to be Mr Olympia at 50ish 1-2 shots a week 1-2cc is way more than enough for any of us.
Dont you mean a prescribed TRT dosage, you keep telling us you dont take anything unless its prescribed

Whats with the "us", you seem to believe you are unique

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2024, 09:49:42 AM »
The thing is diminishing returns at a certain point is it worth an extra jab for not much more gains? And you can also only grow so fast the body can't put on unlimited size per day you are going to be restricted by things like calorie consumption and digestion. I feel best at a moderate dosage I eat more and I train more. When you take too much you don't feel good you don't eat as much and you don't train as much because you don't feel as good. Also none of us are trying to be Mr Olympia at 50ish 1-2 shots a week 1-2cc is way more than enough for any of us.
Then why do you consider gaining 12 pounds overnight a big deal ?

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2024, 10:23:09 AM »
I am going to agree we can't extrapolate dosage based on an autopsy.

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2024, 10:58:26 AM »
I should have read the reports closely, so apparently he was tested for multiple steroids. It's curious how other steroids didn't show. There was some UFC fighter who failed for Turinabol once and one year later and he said the test was picking up the one year ago Turinabol, and this was treated as plausible at least. Many years ago they had demonstrated nandrolone being detected 18 months later. Orals the studies claim are detected for months. And I'm confident he used many other anabolics, at the very least when he competed. There are actually good bodybuilders who only run megadoses of test in the off- season. I think there must a scientific explanation for this. I'm not an expert on drug testing so I don't know, what I do know is that the drug testing orgs claim they can pick up extremely small concentrations of anabolics these days.

What about EPO - I know people struggle to understand why bodybuilders might take it, but more oxygen uptake = more reps.  I could swear I've read about some of them that use it - wouldn't exactly help with heart disease...
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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #62 on: February 07, 2024, 11:03:18 AM »
Wait a minute, does this not say "trenbolone metabolite POSITIVE"?

I don't see THC there but I saw several accounts of him "smoking ALL DAY."" Not that it would be any revelation or controversial, many say MOST pro bodybuilders smoke weed. Just curious if it showed. My buddy said the whole of California stank of weed, the smell was everywhere. He said most bbers at FIBO and the US smoked. It's a pretty innocuous way to handle tren sides but many use sleepping pills and anti-anxiety medication too, at least in prep. This way you can take a couple of grams of tren and "tolerate" it. I know from personal experience too, not that I ever hit 2 grams. I don't know if people take that into account, when they say your tren must be fake if you can take that
amount.

Sorry - only posted part - here's the rec list - pretty clean living at a glance

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #63 on: February 07, 2024, 11:07:51 AM »
Sorry - only posted part - here's the rec list - pretty clean living at a glance
He was going for the health look

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2024, 12:33:39 PM »
What about EPO - I know people struggle to understand why bodybuilders might take it, but more oxygen uptake = more reps.  I could swear I've read about some of them that use it - wouldn't exactly help with heart disease...
bostin did a lot of pioneering on epo but palumbo dismissed it

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2024, 12:54:56 PM »
bostin did a lot of pioneering on epo but palumbo dismissed it

Palumbo really should have listened to Bostin, he really knew how to use drugs safely kill himself.

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #66 on: February 07, 2024, 01:48:19 PM »
Palumbo really should have listened to Bostin, he really knew how to use drugs safely kill himself.
Bostin did not know his limits and was less robustly made than palumbo. He also made a lot of enemies so maybe they intentionally gave him contaminated gear.

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #67 on: February 07, 2024, 02:06:59 PM »
Bostin did not know his limits and was less robustly made than palumbo. He also made a lot of enemies so maybe they intentionally gave him contaminated gear.

Yes, grinding up oxycodone mixing it with tap water and injecting it straight into a vein.

Contaminated gear was the least of his problems

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #68 on: February 07, 2024, 02:10:21 PM »
Yes, grinding up oxycodone mixing it with tap water and injecting it straight into a vein.

Contaminated gear was the least of his problems

He admitted to doing that? Yeah, no surprise he went early. Had a young son and devoted wife/girlfriend to boot. What an idiot

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2024, 02:11:54 PM »
He admitted to doing that? Yeah, no surprise he went early. Had a young son and devoted wife/girlfriend to boot. What an idiot
It was on a podcast with Palumbo

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2024, 02:18:11 PM »
Yes, grinding up oxycodone mixing it with tap water and injecting it straight into a vein.

Contaminated gear was the least of his problems

I never liked him. He said his goal was to refuse a pro card. Lol what a chump

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2024, 02:24:38 PM »
I never liked him. He said his goal was to refuse a pro card. Lol what a chump

You dont get offered a pro card you have to apply for it.
If you win the Nationals you still have to apply for it, thats the only way they can charge you for it

Dumb fuck had set himself an impossible task

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #72 on: February 07, 2024, 02:44:24 PM »
You dont get offered a pro card you have to apply for it.
If you win the Nationals you still have to apply for it, thats the only way they can charge you for it

Dumb fuck had set himself an impossible task

I hope he’s not honored by the IFBB posthumously.

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #73 on: February 07, 2024, 02:59:34 PM »
Pain from injections is individual. Recently an experienced juicer gave me 5 bottles of Test E because it was so painful. I put 5ml into my thigh and could just barely tell I had injected there. So 25ml a week would be easy for me, and I guess 50ml would be doable too. One friend said he was chatting with a pro bb and during their chat the pro did 5 × 5ml shots. The guy was at 9 grams total at his peak. I do remember as a teen just 1ml of Sust was really painful.

You pinned at least a gram in one go in to your thigh? What is your weekly mgs now? I am taking 450mg test. 25ml, who needs that to build a great physique? Let alone 50ml? Not me.

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Re: Dallas Mccarver Testosterone levels
« Reply #74 on: February 07, 2024, 03:06:12 PM »
You pinned at least a gram in one go in to your thigh? What is your weekly mgs now? I am taking 450mg test. 25ml, who needs that to build a great physique? Let alone 50ml? Not me.

I have been around bodybuilders since 1987 and no one was using anywhere near a gram of gear back then and even through the 90s a gram was considered excessive and I competed at National level and spoke to many top level competitors.
Sure there was the odd goofball who used crazy dosages ( 2-3 grms) but they never did anything competitively
Most of the top guys I knew were conservative with the things they used.

Do people ever consider high dosages being detrimental because they literally poison your system.