ive used hgh on and off for the last 12 years.. w slin and without.. anywhere from 3-10ius...generic and pharm.. average was 4-5 iu.. pharm was waaay better.. but novos, rips, nd blues, most recently gray tops, all did the job at the time.. most bang for the buck outside of a good generic was humatrope..... got all the good benefits like recovery, good skin, 3d look, made it easier to get lean and hold muscle... bad was the money i spent, some joint pain in higher doses, bloat, and type 2 diabetes lol, which has been reversed in the last year, so no hgh for again sadly.