2006 Toronto Pro canceled! Official!

[Ron]

Come on! King is so mad! I can just imagine him jumping up and down, steaming on the keybord, just wanting to type something to his fans here on the boards, just wanting to give a picture to them, but catching is breath, waiting, waiting, patiently, so we can see how he comes into shape and wins the New York Pro and the Toronto Pro show.

But alas, without the Toronto Pro show, there is a loss of some prize money for him...

[Picsman]

The sad truth is that this should never have happened....the weiders should have stepped up to the plate...it's in their own back yard for Christ's sake....pretty lame on the ifbb's part if you ask me...

[240 is Back]

The sad truth is that this should never have happened....the weiders should have stepped up to the plate...it's in their own back yard for Christ's sake....pretty lame on the ifbb's part if you ask me...

Good catch. I didn't even think of that Canadian connection. That makes it even sadder.  They're definitely in the milking phase of the IFBB's lifetime.

[Picsman]

OFFICIAL LETTER OF THE CANCELLATION OF THE 2006 TORONTO PRO


.......The overwhelming response is that the fans and sponsors would prefer to see the competition held in Toronto in the future

Winfit and its associates apologize to the committed sponsors and fans for their dedication to bodybuilding.

hun?...who really wrote this?...they're apologizing for "their dedication to bodybuilding"?

[bigdumbbell]

Bob, no doubt Winston is a tremendous guy! I have met him several times and he is an amazing guy to know and learn bodybuilding from!

He's just not that good at promoting shows!

The people talking on the internet are also the people wanting to buy tickets. A freind called me last week wanting to buy tickets to the show off of www.winfitpromotions.com and it gave you a link to www.ticketmaster.ca. When you clicked on the link, the link it had no mention of the Toronto Bodybuilding show.

I live in Toronto and train in different gyms here and not one gym or one third party bodybuilding website has a poster for this show! There was 2 tour buses full of supporters that were being organized from Toronto to Niagara Falls to go watch our local guys compete so the support is there. Just the availability isn't! We were prepared to line up and watch bodybuilding not buy a playstation 3.

ok  what have we learned from this Toronto Pro so far?
it isnt held in toronto but 90 miles west of the city.
winston is a great guy who knows lots of people.
the toronto pro business plan needs renovation and upgrade.
the promoter doesnt have a yahoo mail account
which is known for it's reliablility. 
participants got over 24 hr notice to change plans.
if you're going to have an event have it close in
so all urban sophisticates can attend.
if it aint held in toronto it isnt the toronto pro.  that's a fraud.

[Shawn Ray]

There's one spot open for  Tamali in Colorado, what say you Sherri

[240 is Back]

There's one spot open for  Tamali in Colorado, what say you Sherri

That's awesome.  Only in BBing.

Imagine the backlash if any other promoter were to openly insult a pro athlete like that. Calling him a girl and posting morphed pics lol...

How could Kamali expect to get fair treatment in a show with his mortal enemy's name on it.  Only in BBing!

[shutupandtrain88]

that would make much too much sense. that's like saying it's the newyork pro but holding it in poughkeepsie

cmon now poughkeepsie is a great place.  I personally wouldn't waste the money going to the shows after all the mismanagement.  Who are you making richer by going to the shows?  Not the athletes that's for damn sure.  the mags are all the same, rehashed article after rehashed article, pics are the only thing that vary.  The ads get longer and more abundant.  Stick to going to the gym, well  that goes for many of us here anyway, read the boards for info, at least we dont have to wade through 150 pages of ads/lies to read a 3 page article.  We have to sort through some misguided, self serving posters, but,,,,,,,,it's free.

Anyway, poughkeepsie is OK.

[LuciusFox]

pro bodybuilding is a joke sorry thing to say but it is

   It's true

[Cyril The Squirrel]

The Weider/IFBB business model is simple:

"Heads we win - tails you lose" They invented the game and the book of rules too.

It has always been so, and will remain so until the end. Whenever that may be.

Greetings from delightful Manchester,

Alex Mac - the Beef magazine

[MB]

There are bodybuilding fans out there, but these small shows aren't offering enough quality competition to fill the seats.  Here are some ideas:
1.  Make every show an invitational (each athlete must get an invite from the promoter to compete). 
2.  Limit the number of competitors to 15 per show. 
3.  Raise the prize money to a minimum of $20k first place.
4.  Pay for the athletes travel, hotel and per diem.

This will entice the top guys to compete more and weed out the third tier competitors.  The product that the IFBB puts on the stage has a lot to do with the number of fans in the seats. 


     

[LifterChick]

No surprise here.
To the rest of Canadians we could never figure why anybody ever wanted to go to "the center of the universe" anyway.

[Lift Studios]

hun?...who really wrote this?...they're apologizing for "their dedication to bodybuilding"?

It came from the promoter, Big Brain.  All of your posts on getbig have been negative or claiming to be one of the best photographers in the biz.    When's the last time you said anything remotely close to be positive about bodybuilding, 1952? Or were you bitter back then as well? George, give it a rest ya old fart.

[Tre]

They're definitely in the milking phase of the IFBB's lifetime.

Once they sold Weider Pubs, that was the end of the end.

[Tre]

It's not that I want the Colorado Pro to fail.  It is I want Shawn too fail.  I hate it when guys who spend allot of their lives helping others and being good (most of the time), donating to charities (money and hundreds of hours), putting on shows and making sure everyone is taken care of no matter how much he takes a loss, always makes sure others come before him gets ragged on by someone who did relatively nothing for others (he always came first), donates a little money to a charity to make himself look better, bad mouths fans, rips off promoters, doesn't pay back debts, and thinks because he HAD a nice body that makes him superior to everyone.  Basically Shawn has had bad Karma for many years.  I am constantly told Keith you are so nice someday it will come back to you.  Well so far nothing, just a freak accident that fucked up my life, yet the guy with the bad Karma runs around acting like he is god and far above everyone else.  Believe me when I say I hope less than 100 people come to that show.  I know that is a wish that won't come true but man it would be nice.

Wishing ill upon others will only bring bad karma your way.

[ieffinhatecardio]

It came from the promoter, Big Brain.  All of your posts on getbig have been negative or claiming to be one of the best photographers in the biz.    When's the last time you said anything remotely close to be positive about bodybuilding, 1952? Or were you bitter back then as well? George, give it a rest ya old fart.

Schmoe on Schmoe crime.

[onlyme]

maybe you shouldn't believe in "karma."

I know what you mean but Ihad my fingers crossed when I typed this.  I am protected

[onlyme]

Once they sold Weider Pubs, that was the end of the end.

They had a chain of Pubs?  And what is the difference between a Pub and a Bar. 

[onlyme]

Wishing ill upon others will only bring bad karma your way.

Yes I know, I thought I'd try something different

[LuciusFox]

It came from the promoter, Big Brain.  All of your posts on getbig have been negative or claiming to be one of the best photographers in the biz.    When's the last time you said anything remotely close to be positive about bodybuilding, 1952? Or were you bitter back then as well? George, give it a rest ya old fart.

 Brutal post!

[WOOO]

Bye Bye TO Pro

[onlyme]

I want to keep this at the top.  It deserves it.  It is a sign and more evidence the IFBB doesn't care about promoter, fans or its atheltes.  For how many months have the IFBB been promoting this show.  I am pretty sure they got the sanction fees.  Almost guaranteed the the promoter could not come upi with the prize money and they had to shut it down.  When he couldn't come up with it Manion told him to pull the plug.  No way will the IFBB or Manion ever have to pay.  Didn't they IFBB pass a ruling that the promoter has to have the money in the bank befre doing the show.  How can they lose.  They approved the Toronto Pro to show people that they are going to have more shows and not to woryy they are strong.  But it backfired and the Toronto Pro is not the first or last show to cancel this year.  Butno matter what the IFBB and Manion have some responsibility in this because they promoted it and gave it te illusion it was a done show by doing so.  It's going to be harder and harder to support the IFBB when they keep getting worse and worse.

[Picsman]

It came from the promoter, Big Brain.  All of your posts on getbig have been negative or claiming to be one of the best photographers in the biz.    When's the last time you said anything remotely close to be positive about bodybuilding, 1952? Or were you bitter back then as well? George, give it a rest ya old fart.

You know...there could actually be a real person in there if you only had the balls to pull your head out of the ifbbs ass for some air....READ THE QUOTE STUPID..IT MADE NO SENSE....and...show me where I have EVER claimed to be the best photographer in the business...unless you're referring to the 1 post I made...to introduce myself in a thread about physique photographers....and guess what....some people in the thread thought my pics were good...go figure huh?...anyway...most of the women I photographed have claimed that....why?...are you jealous?...lol

Negative?....you've posted NOTHING but negative stuff about the PDI....and pretty much everything negative about ANYTHING NOT ifbb...so please....can you say calling the kettle black???....and I guess you don't get around too much...or you've had too much of their kool aide/lemonade....I see it's having the desired effect....you've become a lemming.....I've had plenty of good things to say about bodybuilding and bodybuilders....(heck...I even said something nice about bob...but just once though)...and when I do talk/write...I speak MY OWN MIND....not the bs "company line" you've been brainwashed with...I guess I just don't have too much good to say about you, or your "daddy" the ifbb....Like I've told you countless times before bevis....get a life....this one's taken.... and to use one of you're buddy's lines...."thank you....we have some nice parting gifts for you"

ps...I see you really seem to like talking about farts?....or is it just your own bullsh*t you're smellin'?

[LuciusFox]

You know...there could actually be a real person in there if you only had the balls to pull your head out of the ifbbs ass for some air....READ THE QUOTE STUPID..IT MADE NO SENSE....and...show me where I have EVER claimed to be the best photographer in the business...unless you're referring to the 1 post I made...to introduce myself in a thread about physique photographers....and guess what....some people in the thread thought my pics were good...go figure huh?...anyway...most of the women I photographed have claimed that....why?...are you jealous?...lol

Negative?....you've posted NOTHING but negative stuff about the PDI....and pretty much everything negative about ANYTHING NOT ifbb...so please....can you say calling the kettle black???....and I guess you don't get around too much...or you've had too much of their kool aide/lemonade....I see it's having the desired effect....you've become a lemming.....I've had plenty of good things to say about bodybuilding and bodybuilders....(heck...I even said something nice about bob...but just once though)...and when I do talk/write...I speak MY OWN MIND....not the bs "company line" you've been brainwashed with...I guess I just don't have too much good to say about you, or your "daddy" the ifbb....Like I've told you countless times before bevis....get a life....this one's taken.... and to use one of you're buddy's lines...."thank you....we have some nice parting gifts for you"

ps...I see you really seem to like talking about farts?....or is it just your own bullsh*t you're smellin'?

 Unplanned fission surplus

[Lift Studios]

You know...there could actually be a real person in there if you only had the balls to pull your head out of the ifbbs ass for some air....READ THE QUOTE STUPID..IT MADE NO SENSE....and...show me where I have EVER claimed to be the best photographer in the business...unless you're referring to the 1 post I made...to introduce myself in a thread about physique photographers....and guess what....some people in the thread thought my pics were good...go figure huh?...anyway...most of the women I photographed have claimed that....why?...are you jealous?...lol

Negative?....you've posted NOTHING but negative stuff about the PDI....and pretty much everything negative about ANYTHING NOT ifbb...so please....can you say calling the kettle black???....and I guess you don't get around too much...or you've had too much of their kool aide/lemonade....I see it's having the desired effect....you've become a lemming.....I've had plenty of good things to say about bodybuilding and bodybuilders....(heck...I even said something nice about bob...but just once though)...and when I do talk/write...I speak MY OWN MIND....not the bs "company line" you've been brainwashed with...I guess I just don't have too much good to say about you, or your "daddy" the ifbb....Like I've told you countless times before bevis....get a life....this one's taken.... and to use one of you're buddy's lines...."thank you....we have some nice parting gifts for you"

ps...I see you really seem to like talking about farts?....or is it just your own bullsh*t you're smellin'?

George - Mayhem called they want your bullshit back. You're still bitter the PDI doesn't cater to women so you can kiss Wayne's ass, get a press pass and schmotograph them.  If you want to talk about my affiliation with the IFBB, great start a new thread.

Try to stay focused old man, The Toronto show was cancelled and it sucks for the entire industry, INCLUDING THE WOMEN. That's the point of this thread, not your own personal issues.